status of CC in Chicago?

[kallend 2,106]

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I have to head to Chicago for a couple days, and will be spending at least part of my time in a neighborhood that a couple people have told me is less than savory. Am I correct in my guess that Illinois is not a reciprocity state, and my homegrown (Washington) CCP license wouldn't do me any good there?

Blues,
Dave

I walked around the area last evening (I drive close by on my way to and from work) - unarmed.

Not a thug or gangbanger to be seen. A bunch of little girls were jumping rope. I suppose they could have been gangbangers in disguise. There were a bunch of expensive looking boats in the marina - probably owned by drug smugglers.

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[Rookie120 0]

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I walked around the area last evening (I drive close by on my way to and from work) - unarmed.

And that is your choice to go unarmed. Why do you want to stop someone else from CC is he wants to carry?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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I have to head to Chicago for a couple days, and will be spending at least part of my time in a neighborhood that a couple people have told me is less than savory. Am I correct in my guess that Illinois is not a reciprocity state, and my homegrown (Washington) CCP license wouldn't do me any good there?

Blues,
Dave

I walked around the area last evening (I drive close by on my way to and from work) - unarmed.

Not a thug or gangbanger to be seen. A bunch of little girls were jumping rope. I suppose they could have been gangbangers in disguise. There were a bunch of expensive looking boats in the marina - probably owned by drug smugglers.

I've made many jumps without an AAD, with no ill effects. Some were solo's, some consisted of nothing but very light docks and tidy break-offs. Does that make it prudent for me to go without an AAD on my next jump?

I know nothing about the Chicago area. I know one place were I'm going, and I've heard it's a bit rough. I do not know the other places I'll be going. On some jumps I'm more comfortable wearing an AAD. When visiting an unfamiliar urban area with a bad reputation for crime, I'd feel more comfortable and safer with a handgun on me. I understand Chicago forbids this, and like that imaginary DZ where AADs are forbidden, I'll comply. Seems kinda dumb though...higher crime area = less options for self defense?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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The key to staying safe in Chicago is NOT carrying a concealed weapon. It's being street smart and not going to gang territory in the wee hours.

The key to avoiding no-pull fatalities is NOT wearing an AAD. It's being smart about the jumps you go on, remaining in altitude aware and in control of your faculties. However, despite your best intentions in this regard, sometimes shit just happens, and when it does, you probably won't regret having an operable AAD on board (that one you hope to never use).

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[ryoder 1,590]

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Illinois doesn't even issue to it's own residents, they certainly don't recognize other states' licenses.

Not necessarily.
When I lived in IN years ago, I had a CC and could carry in MI, due to reciprocity.
Then I moved to MI, and could not get a CC, because I was not a cop or a judge.
Go figure.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[ryoder 1,590]

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I will happily accompany you in the area of the marina if you're scared to go in alone and unarmed.

I lived in the NW burbs of Chicago, (Schaumburg), in the mid-90's.
One night some jackass fired a round into my condo.
It punched through the patio screendoor, and embedded into the frame of the sliding patio door.
There was no street outside the patio, just a courtyard.
I smelled the powder, so I know the shooter was close when he fired.

A cop came out, glanced at it, shrugged: "Probably just somebody trying to scare you."

Three days later, I got a form letter from the PD explaining they had "exhausted all leads".

Now tell me;
Is Schaumburg a place you would be scared to go?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,106]

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I will happily accompany you in the area of the marina if you're scared to go in alone and unarmed.

I lived in the NW burbs of Chicago, (Schaumburg), in the mid-90's.
One night some jackass fired a round into my condo.
It punched through the patio screendoor, and embedded into the frame of the sliding patio door.
There was no street outside the patio, just a courtyard.
I smelled the powder, so I know the shooter was close when he fired.

A cop came out, glanced at it, shrugged: "Probably just somebody trying to scare you."

Three days later, I got a form letter from the PD explaining they had "exhausted all leads".

Now tell me;
Is Schaumburg a place you would be scared to go?

No, and I fail to see how carrying a concealed gun will protect you from a random Schaumburg shooter.

Do you strap pillows to your body all day long in case you trip and fall? Do you wear a crash helmet when you drive or cross the street? Do you carry an air tank in case one of those dangerous swimming pools JR tells us about tries to drown you? Do you drive a Volvo? Americans are far more likely to be killed or injured on the road than in a crime.

In my 65 years I have known 3 people who died in road accidents, 2 who died climbing, one who died falling off a ladder, a bunch who had heart attacks, 13 who died skydiving (including 2 who might have been saved by an AAD), 2 people who were saved by AADs, and NONE who were shot dead, or even threatened, even though I've worked on the south side of Chicago for over 32 years.

In those 32+ years I haven't been mugged, threatened, or experienced any situation where having a gun would have been useful to me. Neither has any member of my family, nor any of my workmates.

In MY perception of risk, having to use a gun to deal with a thug is so far down the list of likely threats to life and limb as to be totally off the radar, and the cost/benefit ratio of carrying a gun and maintaining proficiency with it is a high cost for extremely marginal benefit.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

Cool part? It is not about what YOU think
It is about the Constitution.

Makes it more simple now doesn't it. Given your propensity towards removing the right own guns

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Just take a Violin case with you ... used to be all the rage in Chicago, I understand

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[airtwardo 7]

The key to staying safe in Chicago is NOT carrying a concealed weapon.
It's being street smart and not going to gang territory in the wee hours.
I expect the same is true of other big cities too.

Sad that in a 'free' country the criminals dictate where and when lawful person can go...


In my big city, which is in the Republic of Texas... CC is legal and the streets are safer...criminals know they are not the only ones strapped...levels the playing field.

Those who I know that carry a weapon, don't go looking for confrontation...the just know they don't have to run or hide from it.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[kallend 2,106]

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The key to staying safe in Chicago is NOT carrying a concealed weapon.
It's being street smart and not going to gang territory in the wee hours.
I expect the same is true of other big cities too.

Sad that in a 'free' country the criminals dictate where and when lawful person can go...


In my big city, which is in the Republic of Texas... CC is legal and the streets are safer...criminals know they are not the only ones strapped...levels the playing field.

Those who I know that carry a weapon, don't go looking for confrontation...the just know they don't have to run or hide from it.

Dallas's homicide rate doesn't look so great. I guess they don't have CC in Dallas.

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[kallend 2,106]

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Cool part? It is not about what YOU think
It is about the Constitution.

Makes it more simple now doesn't it. Given your propensity towards removing the right own guns

Please link to the post in which I wrote that I want to remove the right to own guns.

Oh yes, I asked last time you made the same claim, and the time before, and you couldn't find one.

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[rushmc 23]

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Cool part? It is not about what YOU think
It is about the Constitution.

Makes it more simple now doesn't it. Given your propensity towards removing the right own guns

Please link to the post in which I wrote that I want to remove the right to own guns.

Oh yes, I asked last time you made the same claim, and the time before, and you couldn't find one.

Oh i linked it alright
You (as per normal) dont say anything directly but I linked it

Just cause you will not admit it directly does not change the fact
Now
I am off for vaction
Have fun

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,106]

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Cool part? It is not about what YOU think
It is about the Constitution.

Makes it more simple now doesn't it. Given your propensity towards removing the right own guns

Please link to the post in which I wrote that I want to remove the right to own guns.

Oh yes, I asked last time you made the same claim, and the time before, and you couldn't find one.

Oh i linked it alright
You (as per normal) dont say anything directly but I linked it

Just cause you will not admit it directly does not change the fact
Now
I am off for vaction
Have fun

Translation: rushmc can't back up his claim, yet again.

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[JohnRich 4]

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Illinois doesn't even issue to it's own residents, they certainly don't recognize other states' licenses.

Not necessarily. When I lived in IN years ago, I had a CC and could carry in MI, due to reciprocity.
Then I moved to MI, and could not get a CC, because I was not a cop or a judge.

Your example of IN & MI does not address that status of IL. My attachment, below, does.
Kennedy was correct.

[JohnRich 4]

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Do you carry an air tank in case one of those dangerous swimming pools JR tells us about tries to drown you?

CPSC Warns about Pool Hazards, Reports 250 Deaths of Young Children Annually
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml04/04142.html

That's why we have building codes requiring fences of a certain height around swimming pools, so that small children should be unable to fall into pools and drown.

A concealed handgun is like that fence - when necessary, it can repel bad guys and save lives.

[JohnRich 4]

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Dallas's homicide rate doesn't look so great. I guess they don't have CC in Dallas.

It's better than Chicago:
http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Dallas&state=TX
http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Chicago&state=IL

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In my 65 years I have known 3 people who died in road accidents, 2 who died climbing, one who died falling off a ladder, a bunch who had heart attacks, 13 who died skydiving (including 2 who might have been saved by an AAD), 2 people who were saved by AADs, and NONE who were shot dead, or even threatened, even though I've worked on the south side of Chicago for over 32 years.

I had a skydiver friend murdered, one whom I thought you knew. I don't know if a handgun would have saved him, but it wouldn't have hurt.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[kallend 2,106]

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Dallas's homicide rate doesn't look so great. I guess they don't have CC in Dallas.

It's better than Chicago:
http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Dallas&state=TX
http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Chicago&state=IL

Nice the way you CHERRY PICK 2003 data.

From the FBI UCR 2005

HOMICIDE rates per 100,000 inhabitants:

Chicago 15.6
Dallas 16.8
Houston 16.3

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[kallend 2,106]

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In my 65 years I have known 3 people who died in road accidents, 2 who died climbing, one who died falling off a ladder, a bunch who had heart attacks, 13 who died skydiving (including 2 who might have been saved by an AAD), 2 people who were saved by AADs, and NONE who were shot dead, or even threatened, even though I've worked on the south side of Chicago for over 32 years.

I had a skydiver friend murdered, one whom I thought you knew. I don't know if a handgun would have saved him, but it wouldn't have hurt.

Blues,
Dave

You don't know that it wouldn't have hurt any more than you know it might have helped. People do get shot with their own guns - even cops who, we assume, are well trained.

Recently: www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/100876674.html

articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-07-07/news/ct-met-officer-shot-20100707_1_police-officer-officer-alejandro-alex-valadez-police-training-academy

www.lehighvalleylive.com/allentown/index.ssf/2010/06/whitehall_police_report_gun_sh.html

And the famous one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

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[livendive 8]

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I had a skydiver friend murdered, one whom I thought you knew. I don't know if a handgun would have saved him, but it wouldn't have hurt.

Blues,
Dave

You don't know that it wouldn't have hurt any more than you know it might have helped. People do get shot with their own guns - even cops who, we assume, are well trained.

And that would have hurt how...he'd be more dead?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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You don't know that it wouldn't have hurt any more than you know it might have helped. People do get shot with their own guns - even cops who, we assume, are well trained.

Recently: www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/100876674.html

articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-07-07/news/ct-met-officer-shot-20100707_1_police-officer-officer-alejandro-alex-valadez-police-training-academy

www.lehighvalleylive.com/allentown/index.ssf/2010/06/whitehall_police_report_gun_sh.html

And the famous one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

Wow. You go from saying how rare it is that a person needs a firearm for self defense to how often a person is killed with their own firearm. Professor, that's ridiculous for two reasons. First, you're simply contradicting yourself. What's more, law enforcement officers are required to respond to threatening situations. They also wear their firearm exposed. Concealed carrying citizens do neither. Even if you include law enforcement, it is incredibly rare for a person to die by their own weapon. If you compare time drawn in defense to death by own, it's rare. If you compare times fired to death by own, it's rare. Whether you include LEOs or exclude them it's rare.

Care to explain how the victim on the above example could have been hurt more by having a handgun? What, he be extra dead.

And don't forget to take into account how many people are NOT victimized becase they or someone near them had a handgun. Kinda makes your reasons completely insignificant.

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[JohnRich 4]

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Nice the way you CHERRY PICK 2003 data.

From the FBI UCR 2005

HOMICIDE rates per 100,000 inhabitants:

Chicago 15.6
Dallas 16.8
Houston 16.3

That's funny how you accuse me of cherry-picking, when all I did was reference a web site, and then you turn right around and cherry-pick your own year for data. Ha!

[kallend 2,106]

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Nice the way you CHERRY PICK 2003 data.

From the FBI UCR 2005

HOMICIDE rates per 100,000 inhabitants:

Chicago 15.6
Dallas 16.8
Houston 16.3

That's funny how you accuse me of cherry-picking, when all I did was reference a web site, and then you turn right around and cherry-pick your own year for data. Ha!

Yep, goes to show that you can't draw any conclusion from one year of data - particularly you can't conclude that Dallas or Houston is safer than Chicago on account of CCW.

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[kallend 2,106]

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You don't know that it wouldn't have hurt any more than you know it might have helped. People do get shot with their own guns - even cops who, we assume, are well trained.

Recently: www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/100876674.html

articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-07-07/news/ct-met-officer-shot-20100707_1_police-officer-officer-alejandro-alex-valadez-police-training-academy

www.lehighvalleylive.com/allentown/index.ssf/2010/06/whitehall_police_report_gun_sh.html

And the famous one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

Wow. You go from saying how rare it is that a person needs a firearm for self defense to how often a person is killed with their own firearm. Professor, that's ridiculous for two reasons. First, you're simply contradicting yourself. What's more, law enforcement officers are required to respond to threatening situations. They also wear their firearm exposed. Concealed carrying citizens do neither. Even if you include law enforcement, it is incredibly rare for a person to die by their own weapon. If you compare time drawn in defense to death by own, it's rare. If you compare times fired to death by own, it's rare. Whether you include LEOs or exclude them it's rare.

Care to explain how the victim on the above example could have been hurt more by having a handgun? What, he be extra dead.

And don't forget to take into account how many people are NOT victimized becase they or someone near them had a handgun. Kinda makes your reasons completely insignificant.

Of course, there are lots of places where people can't legally carry that have much lower homicide rates than Texas or Florida or Louisiana. Most of the rest of the western world outside of the USA. Funny how that is.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.