status of CC in Chicago?

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I have to head to Chicago for a couple days, and will be spending at least part of my time in a neighborhood that a couple people have told me is less than savory. Am I correct in my guess that Illinois is not a reciprocity state, and my homegrown (Washington) CCP license wouldn't do me any good there?

Blues,
Dave

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If you are attacked by thugs in Chicago, it is your duty as a citizen to die a slow, grisly, ugly death.

See: http://www.nraila.org/recmap/usrecmap.aspx Click on Washington.

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Am I correct in my guess that Illinois is not a reciprocity state,

You are correct. IL is pretty strict. It must be working. Look how safe Chicago is. (Sarcasm)


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Illinois doesn't even issue to it's own residents, they certainly don't recognize other states' licenses. They are literally the most restrictive state in the union. Only DC and Wisconsin are close in law, and a few "may issue" states are as bad in practice.

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What neighborhood are you referring to & when will you be here. You have to have Chicago pizza, washed down with a good beer.

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I have to head to Chicago for a couple days, and will be spending at least part of my time in a neighborhood that a couple people have told me is less than savory. Am I correct in my guess that Illinois is not a reciprocity state, and my homegrown (Washington) CCP license wouldn't do me any good there?

Blues,
Dave

I will happily accompany you in the area of the marina if you're scared to go in alone and unarmed.

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Just in case you're curious, as of 8/9/10 the list of states that honor your WA CCP are:

MT,ID,UT,AZ,SD,TX,MO,AR,LA,MS,TN,AK,NC,VA,VT, IN,OH, OK, KY

And since you're a resident of WA:

FL and MI

source: www.handgunlaw.us

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I have to head to Chicago for a couple days, and will be spending at least part of my time in a neighborhood that a couple people have told me is less than savory. Am I correct in my guess that Illinois is not a reciprocity state, and my homegrown (Washington) CCP license wouldn't do me any good there?

Blues,
Dave

I will happily accompany you in the area of the marina if you're scared to go in alone and unarmed.

Thanks, but I've seen pictures of you and take little comfort in the offer. I'll likely survive a day or two there regardless of my weaponry; most people in that part of town do. However I'd certainly be more comfortable as an armed middle-aged white tourist than as an unarmed version of the same.

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Blues,
Dave

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[normiss 851]

damn you - I just spewed GOOD beer over that!!!



I've walked the southside along the eltrain without issue....MANY times.

I trust you're good on your own as well.

Enjoy your visit. Chicago rocks - even the Get - OH.

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What neighborhood are you referring to & when will you be here. You have to have Chicago pizza, washed down with a good beer.

I don't know the name of the neighborhood, it's somewhere south, near the water...googlemaps street view shows many fences. Pizza will be a requirement on the trip, and Kallend (ALF#3) owes me a beer or three already.

Blues,
Dave

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[kallend 2,106]

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damn you - I just spewed GOOD beer over that!!!



I've walked the southside along the eltrain without issue....MANY times.

I do it Mon-Fri, 48 weeks a year, for 33 years (I park by the eltracks at 31st and State)

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meaning?

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meaning?

The thugs are aiming for loftier loot than a rockin' pocket protector? Somehow I doubt they know the value of the Mooney.

Blues,
Dave

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meaning?

Meaning I walk by the eltracks on the south side every weekday.

The neighborhood livendive is going to is working class but not gang territory. I'd walk through it unarmed without concern.

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[normiss 851]

Try Garfield / 55th area in the wee hours.

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Try Garfield / 55th area in the wee hours.

University of Chicago, one of the top 10 schools in the USA? Say it ain't so. Drive there every Monday for my wife's chemo.

Anyhow, I doubt Dave is going to inspect his boat in the wee hours.

The key to staying safe in Chicago is NOT carrying a concealed weapon. It's being street smart and not going to gang territory in the wee hours. I expect the same is true of other big cities too.

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The key to staying safe in Chicago is NOT carrying a concealed weapon. It's being street smart and not going to gang territory in the wee hours. I expect the same is true of other big cities too.

True. Because crime never happens outside of gang territory, at any hour.




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The key to staying safe in Chicago is NOT carrying a concealed weapon. It's being street smart and not going to gang territory in the wee hours. I expect the same is true of other big cities too.

True. Because crime never happens outside of gang territory, at any hour.

And no-one has ever been killed with their own gun.

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And no-one has ever been killed with their own gun.

and you would support taking guns away from all law abiding citizens to prevent this from ever happening?

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And no-one has ever been killed with their own gun.

and you would support taking guns away from all law abiding citizens to prevent this from ever happening?

A non-sequitur on your part, but NO.
I have never suggested such a thing - with the exception that a mentally ill but law abiding citizen should not have a gun.

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[normiss 851]

Some areas there are quite sketchy at times - as I'm sure you know.

As you said - I think being street smart has kept me alive in a lot of big cities - especially the questionable areas.
I've never had a problem - and I have been in some areas that would lead one to feel they are risking their life.

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All of this reminds me of what some one told about Miami in the late '80s.

"Miami is much safer than it used to be. I was talking to a door gunner on a bread truck the other day and he said he hadn't had to open up in a week or two."

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The neighborhood... is working class but not gang territory. I'd walk through it unarmed without concern.

Are guns the cause of Chicago's horrible crime rate?

The story of why they won't stop shooting in Chicago

This is the story of why they won’t stop shooting in Chicago.

It’s told by the wounded, the accused and the officers who were on the street during a weekend in April 2008 when 40 people were shot, seven fatally.

Two years later, the grim reality is this: Nearly all of the shooters from that weekend have escaped charges.

“You don’t go to jail for shooting people,” says Dontae Gamble, who took six bullets that weekend, only to see his alleged shooter walk free. “That’s why m------------- think they can get back on the streets and kill again. You feel me?”

So far, not one accused shooter has been convicted of pulling the trigger during those deadly 59 hours from April 18-20 of that year, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

Only one suspected triggerman — a convicted armed robber caught with the AK-47 he allegedly used to blow away his boss — is in jail awaiting trial...

Source: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2530358,59hours-chicago-shooting-072410.article

Yeah, it's all those darned citizens with guns causing the problem. It's not the fault of the criminals, or the failure of the police and justice system. No, it's those darn armed homeowners!

Some of those dots on that shooting crime map are rather close to your walking beat, kallend.

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The neighborhood... is working class but not gang territory. I'd walk through it unarmed without concern.

Yeah, it's all those darned citizens with guns causing the problem. It's not the fault of the criminals, or the failure of the police and justice system. No, it's those darn armed homeowners!

Some of those dots on that shooting crime map are rather close to your walking beat, kallend.

Well, you are certainly correct - the criminals in question ARE overwhelmingly US citizens, and they undoubtedly have guns.

Doesn't affect my statement in any way. I drove through the neighborhood in question today and I'd do it again any day.

I'm surprised you can bring yourself to get out of bed in the morning, you might just fall in the shower, trip on the stairs, get hit by a bus...

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