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QuoteQuoteI know you want SOOOOO hard to believe that but I call BULL FUCKING SHIT
Then you're dead fucking wrong
Based on things I heard while driving all over SC GA and FL last year... driving from Dallas back to Washington State I managed to traverse a HELL of a lot of CONSERVATARD America. and the things I hear constantly at the firing range and certainly things said over on the RED side of even this state....... you are in SEVERE denial.
If you guys can't even be honest with yourselves... I know you can't be honest with anyone else.
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I don't think this is really something that Obama or any political party can necessarily take credit for. If you were surprised by this, as if Obama just magically decided to do this out of the blue without any previous lead up over the last several years, you're just ignorant and have never heard of the SOFA agreement standing between US/Iraq:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.-Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
This agreement was hammered out during the Bush administration through collective negotiations between the Iraqi parliament, US DOD, and US state department.
Here's a little spoiler if you're one of the yahoos who keeps frantically asking yourself and everyone else when all US forces will be withdrawn:
"On November 27, 2008, the Iraqi Parliament ratified a Status of Forces Agreement with the United States... all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011, but allowing for further negotiation if the Iraqi Prime Minister believes Iraq is not stable enough" and "A referendum of Iraqis will be held in mid-2009 on the pact, which may require Coalition forces to leave by the middle of 2010."
Why were forces there so long? Turns out Iraq was asking for it and the UN mandated the presence of the multinational force in Iraq until at least the end of 2008:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2007/sc9207.doc.htm
Read people read!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.-Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
This agreement was hammered out during the Bush administration through collective negotiations between the Iraqi parliament, US DOD, and US state department.
Here's a little spoiler if you're one of the yahoos who keeps frantically asking yourself and everyone else when all US forces will be withdrawn:
"On November 27, 2008, the Iraqi Parliament ratified a Status of Forces Agreement with the United States... all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011, but allowing for further negotiation if the Iraqi Prime Minister believes Iraq is not stable enough" and "A referendum of Iraqis will be held in mid-2009 on the pact, which may require Coalition forces to leave by the middle of 2010."
Why were forces there so long? Turns out Iraq was asking for it and the UN mandated the presence of the multinational force in Iraq until at least the end of 2008:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2007/sc9207.doc.htm
Read people read!
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QuoteQuote>don't interrupt the mutual chin wiping with reality.
Don't worry; by tomorrow there will be some bad economic news or something that the GOP can be happy about.
If Iraq falls apart by year end, I'll again ask you (and others) why we didn't leave 6 years ago.
We aren't going to be _gone_ by the end of the year. Yeah the last 'Combat' force may have left, but we still have a bunch of people here.
Don't expect the entire system to fail, atleast not yet.
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And there are intelligent people who disagree with that assessment.QuoteIt is not his skin color . . . It's not his heritage . . . it is policies and agenda that are so ver very wrong for the Amrican populace.
Talking about the substance of the disagreement will get some common understanding, and probably some common ground, which can lead to progress.
Sometimes there isn't a single right answer.
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QuoteWhen will the left finally get it?
It is not his skin color . . . It's not his heritage . . . it is policies and agenda that are so ver very wrong for the Amrican populace.
But that's just the debate over policy and politics. But for an adult American to still think that Obama is a Muslim or was not born in the US is plain ignorance. And for many of them, the very reason why they're so eager to think that is because of his skin color and his heritage.
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Because you have such a problem believeing that there are conservatives that are not racist, you must not think it to be possible.
Perhaps in her case. But there's no doubt that there's a large portion. As the poll revealed, more Republicans think he's Muslim than Christian, despite obvious evidence otherwise.
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Perhaps in her case. But there's no doubt that there's a large portion. As the poll revealed, more Republicans think he's Muslim than Christian, despite obvious evidence otherwise.
where's the poll about "who gives a shit what religion the president is?"
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Perhaps in her case. But there's no doubt that there's a large portion. As the poll revealed, more Republicans think he's Muslim than Christian, despite obvious evidence otherwise.
where's the poll about "who gives a shit what religion the president is?"
That's the new reality, unless the person is Muslim or Mormon. Or atheist, should one dare to openly admit it. But it's no longer an issue for Catholics, and any random Protestant affiliation makes no waves.
JohnRich 4
QuoteIn another thread somebody sarcastically asked what Obama has done during his term so far.
Well, there is this; "Last U.S. combat convoy has left Iraq"
All Obama has done is to continue with the plan put in place by President Bush, to turn the security of the country back over to the Iraqiis. So this isn't really an Obama accomplishment - it's just the beginning of the end as planned by Bush all along.
quade 4
Quote... it's just the beginning of the end as planned by Bush all along.
Is that REALLY what you wanted to say?
Also, I seriously doubt it's what "Bush" planned all along. The PNAC had pretty different plans for Iraq well before Bush even took office.
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QuoteQuoteIn another thread somebody sarcastically asked what Obama has done during his term so far.
Well, there is this; "Last U.S. combat convoy has left Iraq"
All Obama has done is to continue with the plan put in place by President Bush, to turn the security of the country back over to the Iraqiis. So this isn't really an Obama accomplishment - it's just the beginning of the end as planned by Bush all along.
If I recall correctly Bush's original plan was something along the lines of;
Step 1) Invade.
Step 2) Be welcomed by all with open arms and flowers.
Step 3) Mission Accomplished.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
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Step 3) Mission Accomplished.
That's what he said. I heard it with my own 2 ears.
So, JohnRich, what now? Accomplished or not??
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Step 3) Mission Accomplished.
That's what he said. I heard it with my own 2 ears.
You are going to have a difficult job proving that you heard it with your own 2 ears.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml
http://hubpages.com/hub/President_Bush_and_the_Mission_Accomplished_Speech
QuoteHaving read the speech it is interesting that President Bush never mentioned the "Mission Accomplished"; rather he stated that there was an end of major combat operations. He was standing under a Banner that stated Mission Accomplished which was for the USS Abraham Lincoln which had just completed the longest deployment of a Carrier Group in 30 years.
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1981 to 1988 is 7 years-Kallend (oops, it's actually 8 years Kallend)
The decade of the 80's was from 1980 to 1989. 10 years. If you remove 1980 and 1989 you have 1981 to 1988. 8 years.
QuoteQuoteIn another thread somebody sarcastically asked what Obama has done during his term so far.
Well, there is this; "Last U.S. combat convoy has left Iraq"
All Obama has done is to continue with the plan put in place by President Bush, to turn the security of the country back over to the Iraqiis. So this isn't really an Obama accomplishment - it's just the beginning of the end as planned by Bush all along.
But Obama gets the blame for "raising" taxes when the "planned by Bush" tax cut expiration comes due. How's that work?
The older I get the less I care who I piss off.
Then you're dead fucking wrong
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