US Soldiers punished for not Attending Christian Concert

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I seem to remember a 'good Christian soldier boy' named Timothy McVeigh.....

touche

It's a swing and a miss, STIIIRIKE.

Timothy McVeigh: A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST?
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/mcveigh.htm

Looks like a long drive to deep center, it's out of here.


Eric Rudolph ring any bells?
www.armyofgod.com/EricRudolphHomepage.html

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yes Ron, you just go ahead and continue believing that no US soldiers whisper 'praises to god' to themselves as they put the crosshairs on some poor fucker at the other end of that muzzle......

[RonD1120 62]

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yes Ron, you just go ahead and continue believing that no US soldiers whisper 'praises to god' to themselves as they put the crosshairs on some poor fucker at the other end of that muzzle......

Not only a belief, it is a comfort. The guy at the other end of the muzzle is not only poor, he is the declared enemy. It is my job to take him out.

If you cannot accept that responsibility as a military professional the solution is simple. Do not volunteer for the job.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I seem to remember a 'good Christian soldier boy' named Timothy McVeigh.....

touche

It's a swing and a miss, STIIIRIKE.

Timothy McVeigh: A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST?
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/mcveigh.htm

Looks like a long drive to deep center, it's out of here.


Eric Rudolph ring any bells?
www.armyofgod.com/EricRudolphHomepage.html

I'm confused. Was Rudolph in the military and forced to attend Christian indoctrination training, e.g. Christian concerts? Or is he simply emotionally disturbed, as was the two aforementioned Muslims?

When you have the guidance of the Holy Spirit it is much easier to recognize the kooks who are dangerous.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Quoting an "Apologetics Ministry" is as lame as quoting the Bible to prove anything.

Is that like quoting a statistical analysis by a liberal pagan?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Anyone in the military, who was told to attend a "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts", headliner the Christian rock group BarlowGirl, and punished for not doing so, was totally screwed by the US Government.

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The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up.

That's some fine hyperbole.

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That's some fine hyperbole.

The secret's in the mozzarella.

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Anyone in the military, who was told to attend a "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts", headliner the Christian rock group BarlowGirl, and punished for not doing so, was totally screwed by the US Government.

This is total bullshit.

No offense but people who view military actions like this piss me off including the whiny 21 year old who is in "A" school in Virginia and has absolutely no idea how the military works. The whole point of this story is something that happens in the military on a very routine basis and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the band was Christian and there was no punishment.

The way this is normally done is a command will come up with something for soldiers/sailors/airmen etc.. To do During duty hours that is fun and gives them a break. But if you decide you do not want to participate in that you do something constructive(usually still work). The fact that these kids were in school means that since they have no job other than learning, guess what their other job is.....you guessed right cleaning. So bottom line is you have some little kid who thought he could get some free time off because he didn't want to go to the Christian event (I don't blame him for that I personally would have opted out of that myself) and when he found out that he was getting "punished" instead he threw a temper tantrum and went straight to the media with it. He is actually lucky he is not actually being punished for jumping straight to the media about something so trivial without going through a public affairs officer beforehand.

With all that being said there are a few facts anyone in the military truly needs to understand...freedom comes with a price and sacrifice and in serving your country you sacrifice many of those freedoms that you fight to defend. I have proudly served my country for the last 7 years and will continue to do so knowing these facts.

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Anyone in the military, who was told to attend a "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts", headliner the Christian rock group BarlowGirl, and punished for not doing so, was totally screwed by the US Government.

This is total bullshit.

No offense but people who view military actions like this piss me off including the whiny 21 year old who is in "A" school in Virginia and has absolutely no idea how the military works. The whole point of this story is something that happens in the military on a very routine basis and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the band was Christian and there was no punishment.

The way this is normally done is a command will come up with something for soldiers/sailors/airmen etc.. To do During duty hours that is fun and gives them a break. But if you decide you do not want to participate in that you do something constructive(usually still work). The fact that these kids were in school means that since they have no job other than learning, guess what their other job is.....you guessed right cleaning. So bottom line is you have some little kid who thought he could get some free time off because he didn't want to go to the Christian event (I don't blame him for that I personally would have opted out of that myself) and when he found out that he was getting "punished" instead he threw a temper tantrum and went straight to the media with it. He is actually lucky he is not actually being punished for jumping straight to the media about something so trivial without going through a public affairs officer beforehand.

With all that being said there are a few facts anyone in the military truly needs to understand...freedom comes with a price and sacrifice and in serving your country you sacrifice many of those freedoms that you fight to defend. I have proudly served my country for the last 7 years and will continue to do so knowing these facts.

Thank you for your service and your statement.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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The whole point of this story is something that happens in the military on a very routine basis and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the band was Christian and there was no punishment.

Please. It has everything to do with the band being Christian; and of course it was punishment. It's not like there isn't a long-standing history of this in the US military - but there is.

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The whole point of this story is something that happens in the military on a very routine basis and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the band was Christian and there was no punishment.

Please. It has everything to do with the band being Christian; and of course it was punishment. It's not like there isn't a long-standing history of this in the US military - but there is.

Have you ever served in or had anything to do with the military at all? Like I previously stated event like these happen all the time wether or not they are religious events is irrellivent. They are given an option to attend an event, they chose not to go so they cleaned. I had the option 2 weeks ago to either go to a home buying seminar on base or stay at work and work. Same thing is happening here. This event was not religious in any way but if I decided not to go so it wasn't free time off. People view things how they want to view them and with most things whenever religion could POSSIBLY be involved people jump all over it and make the situation a much bigger deal than it really is.

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Folks Getting on their high horse also like to forget that everyone serving agreed to give up a large chunk of the rights they guarantee for everyone else. Fredom of speech? Nope. Freedom of assembly? Nope. Right to bear arms? Nope. And so on and so forth.

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Folks Getting on their high horse also like to forget that everyone serving agreed to give up a large chunk of the rights they guarantee for everyone else. Fredom of speech? Nope. Freedom of assembly? Nope. Right to bear arms? Nope. And so on and so forth.

+1

I mentioned the same thing a few posts up

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"Not only a belief, it is a comfort. The guy at the other end of the muzzle is not only poor, he is the declared enemy. It is my job to take him out. "

WTF???

I don’t believe in any religion. But I know for sure as a Christian you should forgive to your enemies not to shoot them!!! A true Christian (as far as I understand) shouldn’t have a job to kill anyone.
Who would Jesus shoot?

There are two types of people:
-Intelligent with common sense.
-Religious with dogma

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Who would Jesus shoot?

AMEN to that ... Like to see the so called Christians get out of that one

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Show me where they signed away their right to freedom of religion.

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"Not only a belief, it is a comfort. The guy at the other end of the muzzle is not only poor, he is the declared enemy. It is my job to take him out. "

WTF???

I don’t believe in any religion. But I know for sure as a Christian you should forgive to your enemies not to shoot them!!! A true Christian (as far as I understand) shouldn’t have a job to kill anyone.
Who would Jesus shoot?

There are two types of people:
-Intelligent with common sense.
-Religious with dogma

Romans 13

Be Subject to Government

1Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

I'm surprised you have never seen this before.

People who join the military are subject to the governing authority. If the government declares an enemy and orders me to kill him, I am obligated to obey.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I don’t believe in any religion. But I know for sure

Well, where ever you received you education concerning Christianity, it was sadly lacking.

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as a Christian you should forgive to your enemies not to shoot them!!! A true Christian shouldn’t have a job to kill anyone. Who would Jesus shoot?

Lacking firearms, Jesus wouldn't shoot anyone. However, he did command his followers to carry weapons. See Book of Luke and others (luk 22:34-38 iirc). This was to his apostles. His Twelve to carry his word. He expected his preachers to carry weapons, and he certainly allowed everyday ordinary Christians to defend themselves as necessary. He dd not want his followers to enforce Christianity by the sword, but he did not expect them to be helpless, either. If you believe in Christian teachings, then you believe one day we will beat swords to plowshares and spears to pruning hooks, but that would be the second coming, not now.

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[Kennedy 0]

They weren't required to go. It was attend during normal working hours, or do your normal work. The military is extremely sensitive to its service members' religious preferences. However it does require them to put service first. Things like requiring kosher plates that have never touched pork, doing no work on Sunday, or praying five times a day at certain hours won't fly. Remember Paul, this is military service, not civilian life. Things work differently. And like the man said, one whiny snotnose wet behind the ears trainee with a problem does not equal servicewide indoctrination and denial of rights.

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Romans 13

Be Subject to Government

1Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

I'm surprised you have never seen this before.

People who join the military are subject to the governing authority. If the government declares an enemy and orders me to kill him, I am obligated to obey.

What if you join a military and you're ordered to pray to Mecca?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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"Not only a belief, it is a comfort. The guy at the other end of the muzzle is not only poor, he is the declared enemy. It is my job to take him out. "

WTF???

I don’t believe in any religion. But I know for sure as a Christian you should forgive to your enemies not to shoot them!!! A true Christian (as far as I understand) shouldn’t have a job to kill anyone.
Who would Jesus shoot?

There are two types of people:
-Intelligent with common sense.
-Religious with dogma

Romans 13

Be Subject to Government

1Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

I'm surprised you have never seen this before.

People who join the military are subject to the governing authority. If the government declares an enemy and orders me to kill him, I am obligated to obey.

yeah... when our pastor gave a sermon on Romans 13 a few weeks ago I had to stop him in the hall and discuss it with him "never question the rule of law and be subject to the authority of the government" was his message. I suggested that if it were not for some men 235 years ago (this sermon was early July) that decided not to place themselves subject to the authority of the government, that he wouldn't likely have been allowed to start this church last year.

I got the 50m backpedal... "well, there are exceptions... uh... I...".

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yeah... when our pastor gave a sermon on Romans 13 a few weeks ago I had to stop him in the hall and discuss it with him "never question the rule of law and be subject to the authority of the government" was his message. I suggested that if it were not for some men 235 years ago (this sermon was early July) that decided not to place themselves subject to the authority of the government, that he wouldn't likely have been allowed to start this church last year.

I got the 50m backpedal... "well, there are exceptions... uh... I...".

Yeah, and then you've got the problem where if according to the bible, it's right for you to try and kill anyone you're ordered to kill then they're also, according to the bible, correct in trying to kill you, as long as they fit into some kind of hierarchy and their superior has ordered it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I find it funny how off topic this thread has become. It had nothing to do with "this religion says it's ok to kill your enemies if the government orders you"...."no it doesn't it means this".....it was about soldiers who thought they were being punished because they did not attend a Christian event that was offered during duty hours. I have already put my 2 cents in about this I just wanted to point out how these topics sway and grossly get changed even with the hint of religion involved. I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe. I'm not gong to change your mind and you aren't going to change mine so why waste you're time arguing over who is right?

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I just wanted to point out how these topics sway and grossly get changed even with the hint of religion involved.

These topics sway and change pretty grossly when there's a hint of anything involved.

Pretty much how the internet works

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I find it funny how off topic this thread has become. It had nothing to do with "this religion says it's ok to kill your enemies if the government orders you"...."no it doesn't it means this".....it was about soldiers who thought they were being punished because they did not attend a Christian event that was offered during duty hours. I have already put my 2 cents in about this I just wanted to point out how these topics sway and grossly get changed even with the hint of religion involved. I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe. I'm not gong to change your mind and you aren't going to change mine so why waste you're time arguing over who is right?

well I wasn't arguing... I was commenting on that verse because the memory came back and I thought I'd share.

and yeah, thread drift is a bitch ain't it. Get used to it.

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