wmw999 2,446 #1 August 23, 2010 Numbers 31:17: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. Psalms 137:9Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks Ezekial 9: 5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. 7And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. Exodus 21:17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. Matthew 15:4For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 2 Chronicles 15:13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #2 August 23, 2010 Hardly. Almost all religions have had war waged in their names. It depends on the circumstances. And not all wars in the name of religion are righteous."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #3 August 23, 2010 Buddhism appears to be the only true peaceful religion from my perspective. I'd consider moving to Tibet had the Chinese not interfered! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master_Yoda 0 #4 August 23, 2010 Silly liberal. Trix are for kids! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #5 August 23, 2010 Quote Buddhism appears to be the only true peaceful religion from my perspective. I'd consider moving to Tibet had the Chinese not interfered! No kidding. Damn Chinese."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 August 23, 2010 When people believe in invisible friends who know what other foolishness they will believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #7 August 24, 2010 From my study of the Word, experience and understanding over the last 30 years I have concluded, in the macro or world wide sense there will be no peace until Jesus returns. That level of conflict exists as a fact of life. It is certainly noble to seek a world without war but it will not be attainable until Jesus establishes His worldly throne. His throne now is spiritual. On the micro or individual level. The Bible clearly indicates that accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior will create the possibility of conflict in your immediate circle of human interaction i.e., family, friends, workplace, etc. However, when you accept Jesus you receive the gift of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is known as being Born Again. The Holy Spirit becomes the small, still, quiet voice of guidance that leads you into a closer relationship with God the Father through Jesus. That guidance and growing relationship manifests peace of mind. God does not remove the conflict. He gives grace, guidance and reassurance to get through it.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 August 24, 2010 Quote....there will be no peace until Jesus returns. ... Then it's probably best that you don't hold your breath. Well, it's not like he's just poped down the shops for a packet of fags, is it? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #9 August 24, 2010 No Christianity is not the religion of peace. Jesus Christ himself was very clear that he was not the 'Prince of peace' and that he came to bring the opposite of peace to earth, inhis own words in the New testament he says the following: Quote Luke 12:49-53 Not Peace but Division "I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law." Matthew 10:34-36 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' These are the words of Jesus, his word was edited out of most of the Bible but seems the Romans forgot about this bit.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #10 August 24, 2010 QuoteQuote....there will be no peace until Jesus returns. ... Then it's probably best that you don't hold your breath. Well, it's not like he's just poped down the shops for a packet of fags, is it? Nope, not holding my breath. However, I hope it is today.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #11 August 24, 2010 That's definitely one they seemed to skip over in Sunday school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #12 August 24, 2010 I don't see Christians smashing their babies against rocks but here's one for you Wendy that is not peaceful. Islam! I have yet to see democrats have the balls to call Jihad a "hate crime" because that's essentially what it is. Kiling someone because you hate them since they are not conforming to your religion.... Hate Crime. Islam militants are performing hate crimes and acts of war. Oh wait, here is recent example from yesterday at a Somali hotel which killed an 11 year old shoe shine boy. It left 31 innocent people dead. Quote from ABC News "Hardline al Shabaab Islamists linked to al Qaeda have been waging an insurgency for three years against the fragile Western-backed government, and control most of Mogadishu." I'm sure glad Obama wants to build a Mosque near ground zero. Stupid inexperienced Illinois Senator! ,,l,, (-.-) ,,l,, http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Blotter/wireStory?id=11466004 http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08/23/killed-somalia-fighting-al-shabab-spokesman-declares-massive-war-invaders/ http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/08/24/somalia.fighting/index.html?hpt=T2 Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #13 August 24, 2010 You don't see it because you're a few hundred years late. Islam is what? About 700 years+ younger than Christianity. When Christianity was that old there was still vile atrocities being performed in the name of the religion, and actually for long after that too. Public burnings and stonings. If there were news reports from the middle-ages you'd see a lot more brutality than you see in Islam today. I oppose both, but one can't say one is worse than the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #14 August 24, 2010 QuoteYou don't see it because you're a few hundred years late. Islam is what? About 700 years+ younger than Christianity. When Christianity was that old there was still vile atrocities being performed in the name of the religion, and actually for long after that too. Public burnings and stonings. If there were news reports from the middle-ages you'd see a lot more brutality than you see in Islam today. I oppose both, but one can't say one is worse than the other. The age of a religion is irrelevant. The Crusaders "were wrong" for doing the same thing I agree..... but since we live in 2010. We dont have Crusaders anymore but we have Islamic militants. Therefore you cannot deny the facts of what is happening. This isn't about one did more then the other Meso... I hope that is not the core element of your arguement. I need you to fast forward into present day please. Hate crimes are being carried out by Islamic militants. It would be the same thing if someone killed an abortion doctor in the name of God. That is a hate crime. I'm sure you don't disagree with that right?!?! I know you have a personal issue with Jesus and that's your right to feel the way you do, but I still don't see people in 2010 or are there recorded events of Christians smashing their babies against rocks. Oh but we have another Islam attack yesterday. Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #15 August 24, 2010 Quotebut since we live in 2010. We dont have Crusaders anymore but we have Islamic militants.There are also still Irish militants. Not as many, but of course there aren't as many Irish, either. I believe that a war about whether the Protestants or Catholics control a country would count as a Christian religious war, wouldn't it? Yes, there are political overtones, but there sure are for most of the Islamic ones, too -- control of Sudan, control of Iraq, control of Afghanistan, etc. I just did some looking for context (I love context). Ireland has 6 million people; 3500 at least were killed in that conflict. That's over 100/year. Lebanon has 4.2 million, and between 1 and 300 thousand people were killed in its civil war (there was a strong Christian component to that rather multi-faceted war). There are 42 million people in Sudan; it's more violent, but, well, it has no government. But in order to compare honestly, you have to divide the number of deaths by 7 in order to have a decent comparison against Ireland. The Muslims did not invent modern terrorism. And terrorism is what people use who think they have nothing to lose in the system. The best way to fight it is to have a system where they do, in fact, have something to lose. You can't just stamp them out, so it has to be something provided by the system -- opportunity, etc. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #16 August 24, 2010 QuoteI don't see Christians smashing their babies against rocks My post wasn't aimed at making any one seem worse than the other. I was putting them on par. As your post hinted at Christianity being a more peaceful religion, which may be accurate today- but as the religion itself goes, they`re both the same. I don't think the fact that it's 2010 changes anything, the only reason why we change with time is because we learn from our mistakes. Whether it be the society that does or the religion. Christians began to learn that what they were doing was wrong, it's not like one day everyone was all "Oh it's now time we stopped our barbaric acts". Fact is they went through hundreds of years committing violent acts. And the age of the religion is relevant. Because I hope and feel it's possible for Islamic religion to calm down over the next few hundred years the way Christianity did, currently they`re doing just what the Christians used to do, by feeling it is their need to convert everyone to their religion regardless of the consequences. Eventually I think a religion just realizes that it's futile, and they still need to learn that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #17 August 24, 2010 Wendy, your perception is your reality Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #18 August 24, 2010 Wendy's perception is bang on, and as always her argument is well thought out.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master_Yoda 0 #19 August 24, 2010 QuoteWendy's perception is bang on, and as always her argument is well thought out. You two should get a room. QuoteThere are also still Irish militants. Not as many, but of course there aren't as many Irish, either. LMAO!!! There are more Irish today than at any time before! There aren't as many Irish militants because the Irish are getting their shit together and working out their differences with England and each other. The country isn't whole yet, but that's only a matter of time. I can't believe I had to say that. It's an undisputable fact. MOST Irish people know it, I know it, and I'm not even from there or have ever been there. (Funny what books can teach someone who's paying attention.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #20 August 24, 2010 You're absolutely right about the Irish finally working out the problems. My comment about "not as many Irish" was to compare the Irish with the Muslims, so that one could judge whether 300 deaths is a large or small percentage. 100 deaths a year among 4-6 million is roughly equivalent to 1000 deaths a year among 40-60 million. Just sayin' Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #21 August 24, 2010 C'mon Wendy, don't make him do math. Math is hard I guess none of the books he read were math books! Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #22 August 24, 2010 Quote Quote ....there will be no peace until Jesus returns. ... Well, it's not like he's just poped down the shops for a packet of fags, is it? "You keep using that word; I do not think ii means in the US what it means in the UK.""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #23 August 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote ....there will be no peace until Jesus returns. ... Well, it's not like he's just poped down the shops for a packet of fags, is it? "You keep using that word; I do not think ii means in the US what it means in the UK." Maybe he's hoping it means more like it means here, and not what it means there.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #24 August 24, 2010 Quote Quote Wendy's perception is bang on, and as always her argument is well thought out. You two should get a room. Quote There are also still Irish militants. Not as many, but of course there aren't as many Irish, either. LMAO!!! There are more Irish today than at any time before! There aren't as many Irish militants because the Irish are getting their shit together and working out their differences with England and each other. The country isn't whole yet, but that's only a matter of time. I can't believe I had to say that. It's an undisputable fact. MOST Irish people know it, I know it, and I'm not even from there or have ever been there. (Funny what books can teach someone who's paying attention.) Clearly what you think you know about the current situation in Ireland wouldn't fill the back of a postage stamp. Terrorism in Ireland is on an upswing at the moment.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #25 August 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote ....there will be no peace until Jesus returns. ... Well, it's not like he's just poped down the shops for a packet of fags, is it? "You keep using that word; I do not think ii means in the US what it means in the UK." (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
