Cordoba Mosque = The Conquest of Manhattan

[jakee 1,490]

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I almost see how you could read it that way but, no.

The mob that I mentioned is being stirred by the opposers. The tactic is working. Hence John Rich's post.

Ok, that's entirely my mistake. I apologise for misunderstanding you.

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However, I would not completely dismiss the original naming of the Cordoba Initiative as possibly being so named because of the history in which it was placed where it was. Anything is possible.

I think it was named to evoke the history of Cordoba - but for the opposite reason, to refer to the tolerant, diverse state that existed there.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Amazon 7]

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You have shown what you are by your words. You have NO respect for the Constitution and the ideals of this nation.

That's a perfect example of what I was talking about, regarding name-calling and rational thinking.
Thank you for the demonstration.

And with that, I'm out of this discussion. I said my piece, and I stand on it.

You irrational name-callers may continue without me.

AWWW John is going to take his sock puppet and go home.

[kelpdiver 2]

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You have shown what you are by your words. You have NO respect for the Constitution and the ideals of this nation.

That's a perfect example of what I was talking about, regarding name-calling and rational thinking.
Thank you for the demonstration.

And with that, I'm out of this discussion. I said my piece, and I stand on it.

You irrational name-callers may continue without me.

Why don't you first tell me how this is different from gun control? I still can't see a difference.

[kelpdiver 2]

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In looking at the history of the Yugo wars, there were ethnic problems before the religions came into the areas that were battling, no?
Maybe I missed something because I never saw any mention of religion until the mid to late '90's when NATO and the UN got involved (finally).

I view the ongoing Israeli-Arab, as well as Muslim-West battles as not really about religion either. Ultimately it's about land, resources, or maintaining power. Citing religion is just one of the tools to work your people.

[normiss 801]

Excellent observation I believe.

[happythoughts 0]

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I view the ongoing Israeli-Arab, as well as Muslim-West battles as not really about religion either.

Agreed. Wars are always about money/power.

Do you believe that part of the Muslim-West battles
are occurring on US soil, or attempt to be fought on US soil ?

Do you believe that their is no recruitment of Americans in the US for these acts ?

June 2009 fatal shooting at an Army recruiting station in Arkansas by Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad

September 2009 Hosam Maher Husein Smadi, planning to car-bomb a Dallas office tower

September 2009 Michael Finton, an American convert to Islam, is charged with attempting to bomb the Paul Findley Federal Building in Springfield, Ill.

November 2009 Fort Hood massacre

December 2009 arrest of five men from Northern Virginia in Pakistan for terrorism-related activities

Christmas Day 2009 would-be underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab

Colleen LaRose, aka Jihad Jane, of Pennsylvania and Jamie Paulin-Ramirez of Colorado, charged with various terrorism related-crimes.

Betim Kaziu and 12 others were charged in 2009 with supporting the al Qaeda-affiliated al Shabab group

Brooklyn residents Wesam el-Hanafi and Sabirhan Hasanoff were indicted on charges of trying to help al Qaeda with modernization efforts.

Think New York has a reason to feel uneasy ?

May 2009, four men were arrested for plotting to blow up a New York City synagogue and use an anti-aircraft weapon to attack military aircraft in Newburgh, N.Y.

September 2009 Najibullah Zazi and two others planned to conduct a suicide attack on Grand Central Station

Queens-born Bryant Neal Vinas, aka Ben Yameen al-Kanadeeis, received al Qaeda training in Pakistan and agreed to plan an attack on the Long Island Railroad.

May 2010 The Times Square bomber had a 100 lb. fertilizer bomb.

The JFK airport fuel tank farm attempt.

The Ft Dix attempt to murder soldiers.

[normiss 801]

Yet another confirmation that extremists, not religion, are the true issue.

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Yet another confirmation that extremists, not religion, are the true issue.

Personally, I tire of all religions. They are leaches on society.

It has been repeatedly shown that the mosques are the recruitment ground for violence.

The Al-Shabbab group in Minnesota recruited 14 kids to be sent to Somalia.

The Ft. Dix shooter went to a mosque well known for radicalism.

"Perception becomes reality"
You hear that everywhere. If Muslims want to be known
as the religion of peace, then they need to clean house.
Jesus ran the moneychangers out of his house of worship.
Not a bad example.

If someone teaches war against Americans, they should ban him from teaching in the US.

New Yorkers would like to hear someone take a stand with them.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Personally, I tire of all religions. They are leaches on society.

It has been repeatedly shown that the mosques are the recruitment ground for violence.

You can generalize mosque to churches or even further to social organizations. Yes, people recruit in specific places, they don't put ads in craigslist.

But we still have freedom of assembly and a presumption of innocence in this country, even if it enables bad behavior. Freedom isn't free.

[turtlespeed 220]

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I almost see how you could read it that way but, no.

The mob that I mentioned is being stirred by the opposers. The tactic is working. Hence John Rich's post.

Ok, that's entirely my mistake. I apologise for misunderstanding you.

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However, I would not completely dismiss the original naming of the Cordoba Initiative as possibly being so named because of the history in which it was placed where it was. Anything is possible.

I think it was named to evoke the history of Cordoba - but for the opposite reason, to refer to the tolerant, diverse state that existed there.

I would like to put 100% faith into that theory, but I can't. I'm at about 98% certain that it wasn't that they built upon conqored ground that led them to go with the name that they did. However, I do realize that there are manymore people taht are much more devious and kniving than I am. Any rational person just cannot dismiss it as an impossibility.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 220]

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Personally, I tire of all religions. They are leaches on society.

It has been repeatedly shown that the mosques are the recruitment ground for violence.

You can generalize mosque to churches or even further to social organizations. Yes, people recruit in specific places, they don't put ads in craigslist.

But we still have freedom of assembly and a presumption of innocence in this country, even if it enables bad behavior. Freedom isn't free.

Are you sure they don't put ads in Craigslist?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[happythoughts 0]

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But we still have freedom of assembly and a presumption of innocence in this country, even if it enables bad behavior. Freedom isn't free.

So, New Yorkers have almost monthly attacks/attempts.

Then, you have people exercising their freedom of
speech to say the following down at the mosque, you're just going to have to be a little understanding about the New Yorkers reaction to your new mosque.

Free speech destroys a little trust and tolerance.
The Muslims need to work on building a little trust through anti-terrorist action.
"We can say or do anything we want, but you have to like us." What ?

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He issued a fatwa in America that declared lawful the robbing of banks and killing of Jews in America. His sermons condemned Americans as the "descendants of apes and pigs who have been feeding from the dining tables of the Zionists, Communists, and colonialists".[6] He called on Muslims to assail the West, "cut the transportation of their countries, tear it apart, destroy their economy, burn their companies, eliminate their interests, sink their ships, shoot down their planes, kill them on the sea, air, or land"

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You can generalize mosque to churches or even further to social organizations. Yes, people recruit in specific places, they don't put ads in craigslist.

Additional information, I don't have to generalize.

Example - Nidal Malik Hasan (the Ft Hood assassin) worshiped at a mosque led by Anwar al-Awlaki along with three of the supposed September 11, 2001, hijackers.
Hasan attended the Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi.

Obviously, if someone knows to travel from Texas to Virginia, there is something going on there.
Only the naive would believe that others attending services
at that mosque did not hear dangerous rhetoric and teachings.

That is exactly my point. Muslims know of those dangerous people. That is tacit support.

This isn't some "lone wolf" action once every ten years.
It is different people, with months of planning, training, and support.

[dontsplatmatt 0]

A handfull is a tiny fraction of the entire Muslim population.

[turtlespeed 220]

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A handfull is a tiny fraction of the entire Muslim population.

I assume you reply to this:

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>But tell me Bill . . . if your loved ones were in the rubble, how do you
>think you would treally feel?

I came within 20 minutes of being on Flight 11. My brother in law was not in his WTC office that day by luck. And I don't have a problem with it.

If I had loved ones in the rubble I strongly suspect I would feel the same way. I've lost friends to Afghani snipers and Iraqi insurgents, and mosques here don't bother me. It was not the religion that killed those people; it was a handful of Al Qaeda terrorists.

Handful . . . the handful of Al Qaeda terrorists . . . how many is a handful, Bill?

So the entire Muslim poulation are Al Qaeda?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kelpdiver 2]

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You can generalize mosque to churches or even further to social organizations. Yes, people recruit in specific places, they don't put ads in craigslist.

Additional information, I don't have to generalize.

Example - Nidal Malik Hasan (the Ft Hood assassin) worshiped at a mosque led by Anwar al-Awlaki along with three of the supposed September 11, 2001, hijackers.
Hasan attended the Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi.

Obviously, if someone knows to travel from Texas to Virginia, there is something going on there.
Only the naive would believe that others attending services
at that mosque did not hear dangerous rhetoric and teachings.

That is exactly my point. Muslims know of those dangerous people. That is tacit support.

This isn't some "lone wolf" action once every ten years.
It is different people, with months of planning, training, and support.

Was there evidence somewhere in all this? It sounds awfully like McCarthyism. He was once at the same church as some other people!

Which Muslims knew of these people and tacitly supported them?

Come out here to the Bay Area and you have a very different Muslim crowd, born out of the people who previously may have been Black Panthers. The women here don't accept a subservient role.

[JohnRich 4]

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AWWW John is going to take his sock puppet and go home.

And such immature piling-on behavior like that is another reason why these threads so often become worthless.

[normiss 801]

Become?

[kelpdiver 2]

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AWWW John is going to take his sock puppet and go home.

And such immature piling-on behavior like that is another reason why these threads so often become worthless.

Still waiting to hear why the NYC Muslims need to compromise, when you would never suggest that gun owners compromise with the Mayor and the Brady group there or in Chicago.

[Amazon 7]

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AWWW John is going to take his sock puppet and go home.

And such immature piling-on behavior like that is another reason why these threads so often become worthless.

And here I thought it was OSCAR the Grouch not ________


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Skyrad 0]

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You have shown what you are by your words. You have NO respect for the Constitution and the ideals of this nation.

That's a perfect example of what I was talking about, regarding name-calling and rational thinking.
Thank you for the demonstration.

And with that, I'm out of this discussion. I said my piece, and I stand on it.

You irrational name-callers may continue without me.

AWWW John is going to take his sock puppet and go home.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[likearock 2]

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AWWW John is going to take his sock puppet and go home.

And such immature piling-on behavior like that is another reason why these threads so often become worthless.

Still waiting to hear why the NYC Muslims need to compromise, when you would never suggest that gun owners compromise with the Mayor and the Brady group there or in Chicago.

Jon Stewart had a great take on that analogy at 7:02 of this video.

[DanG 1]

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Obviously, if someone knows to travel from Texas to Virginia, there is something going on there.

Not saying that there was nothing going on at the Dar al-Hijrah mosque because I have no idea, but Hasan was stationed at Walter Reed (about 20 minutes from Great Falls) before moving to Texas. If he traveled back there after being stationed at Ft. Hood, you may have a point, but your implication that he went out of his way to go there seems unsupported.

- Dan G

[funjumper101 15]

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You have shown what you are by your words. You have NO respect for the Constitution and the ideals of this nation.

That's a perfect example of what I was talking about, regarding name-calling and rational thinking.
Thank you for the demonstration.

And with that, I'm out of this discussion. I said my piece, and I stand on it.

You irrational name-callers may continue without me.

In other words, your position is "Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up."

You can't rationally defend or explain your position, so you take your ball and run along home.

The fact that you are opposed to private property rights and the excercise of freedom of religion is a very clear demonstration that you have no respect for the US Constitution and the rule of law. You said it, not me.

Exposing the truth of what you are is a self inflicted wound. Deal with it.

[tkhayes 348]

Here's a few alternative names they might consider:

The Willie Aitkins Memorial Sonic BBQ Mosque

The Box Lunch and Meat Whistle Mosque

The Sneezing Buffalo Perogy Reunion Mosque

Bob's Mosque

Tarquin Fin- tim- lin- bin- whin- bim- lin- bus- stop- F'tang- F'tang- Olé- Biscuitbarrel Mosque.

But who could possibly have a problem with 'Cordoba'? I cannot say the word without thinking of Ricardo Montebalm...... not Mohammed