Kennedy 0 #26 August 25, 2010 There are several issues to consider here. First, where is the car when the GPS is attached. Generally a driveway is considered part of the curtilage (area of property around home most protected by 4th amendment). Most courts would have a problem with attaching a GPS to a car in a driveway. Second, how is the gps attached. If it is inside a car or the vehicle had to be manipulated, that's generally a no no. Using a magnet to stick it to exposed metal is generally accepted. Finally, the biggest issue is whether it's ok to monitor a vehicle's movement by technology. On public roads this is not usually an issue as there is no expectation of privacy in a public place. If an LEO can follow in person, most courts don't have issue with using a GPS to monitor location. The tricky thing here is that GPS is always on and that it follows onto protected areas where LEOs can't. OK, shouldn't. Based on this issue having different rulings in federal appellate courts and that it is clearly covered by the fourth amendment, I agree that tuis one is destined for the SCOTUS docket.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #27 August 25, 2010 Quote Yep you are right... did a search an you never had a post supporting the Patriot act... but I cant find one not supporting it either. research more carefully. prior to today, there were 2 posts on dropzone.com made by me with the word patriot in them: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3684436;search_string=patriot;#3684436 Quote Certainly look at the patriot act! Passed in near record time. Look at the buried details. I'd think any problem that's being solved (or attempted to) by legislation can wait another 72 hours. an implication of lack of support even when taken out of context. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3695554;search_string=patriot;#3695554 Quote Look at what happened 8 years ago with the Patriot Act .... "if you don't pass this legislation.... the terrorists win..." what a load of crap. Laws that take away rights deserve to be held up forever. ("held up" in context is clearly meaning postponed) *** Sorry but a conservative Texican.... who posts vociferously on the second amendment.... apparently a supporter of capital punishment... other posts certainly on issues that are near and dear to conservatives little hearts..... color me not convinced for non-support of Bush, Ashroft and their policies including the Patriot Act so now you're calling me a liar? and making more assumptions... we talked about that (or I did.. you may not have understood) I supported bush for about the first 60% of his presidency. Mostly it took me that long because I was too fucking busy to keep up with the news. I make more of an effort since. I never supported the patriot act. If you'd actually read both of the posts I made containing the word, you might have known that. But I don't want to bother you.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 August 25, 2010 Quote Quote Yep you are right... did a search an you never had a post supporting the Patriot act... but I cant find one not supporting it either. Sorry but a conservative Texican.... who posts vociferously on the second amendment.... apparently a supporter of capital punishment... other posts certainly on issues that are near and dear to conservatives little hearts..... color me not convinced for non-support of Bush, Ashroft and their policies including the Patriot Act uh, hang on. You've been preaching about your civil rights virtues all morning, but now you're writing that despite any evidence of the contrary, you're convinced he has evil thoughts because he hasn't provided evidence to the contrary? how fucking American is that? Many civil libertarians support gun rights. At least some believe in capital punishment. Its called a BODY OF WORK and that body is quackin and a waddlin And I support his right to worship and say what ever he or whoever else wishes to say... in compliance with our bill of rights. BUT I have the right to dissagree and so state... as is MY right... even though that original Bill of Rights as written by the FF did not guarantee me that right Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 August 25, 2010 Quote BUT I have the right to dissagree and so state... as is MY right... Yes, you have the right to espouse a policy of guilty until proven innocent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #30 August 25, 2010 Amazon, you are instigating and way off topic. Why don't you take the personal attacks on one another to the pm's and let the rest of us enjoy this interesting and important topic. It's unnerving muddling through the crap that all of you are posting to one another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #31 August 25, 2010 Quoteresearch more carefully. prior to today, there were 2 posts on dropzone.com made by me with the word patriot in them: http://www.dropzone.com/...ing=patriot;#3684436 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Certainly look at the patriot act! Passed in near record time. Look at the buried details. I'd think any problem that's being solved (or attempted to) by legislation can wait another 72 hours. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- an implication of lack of support even when taken out of context. http://www.dropzone.com/...ing=patriot;#3695554 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Look at what happened 8 years ago with the Patriot Act .... "if you don't pass this legislation.... the terrorists win..." what a load of crap. Laws that take away rights deserve to be held up forever. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ("held up" in context is clearly meaning postponed) I stand corrected then on this point... QuoteI supported bush for about the first 60% of his presidency. Mostly it took me that long because I was too fucking busy to keep up with the news. I make more of an effort since. I never supported the patriot act. If you'd actually read both of the posts I made containing the word, you might have known that. But I don't want to bother you. Are you sure you are not trying to pull a Kerry here??? You supported Bush for the first 60% of his presidency... Sure you did not support it before you did NOT support it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #32 August 25, 2010 Quote Are you sure you are not trying to pull a Kerry here??? You supported Bush for the first 60% of his presidency... Sure you did not support it before you did NOT support it? I'm sure you're making sense in your own mind. I'm done here.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #33 August 25, 2010 QuoteQuote Are you sure you are not trying to pull a Kerry here??? You supported Bush for the first 60% of his presidency... Sure you did not support it before you did NOT support it? I'm sure you're making sense in your own mind. I'm done here. AWWWWW did that one go WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH for ya. I DO believe that the Bush-Kerry presidential race was within that 60% where you were in support of your fellow Texican, King George II Remember the flip flopper mantra your fellow travellers were tossin all over the place...pertaining to Kerry in references to his supposed support of Georges Excellent Adventure? He supported the war..... before he was against it?????? For the record... I was against BOTH of those cluster fucks from the momnent I heard about them.... and got called names because if it... by the usual suspects. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #34 August 25, 2010 Quote For the record... I was against BOTH of those cluster fucks from the momnent I heard about them.... and got called names because if it... by the usual suspects. sorry you're still all butt-hurt about getting called names so long ago. either that you're still trying to prove your worth to this group. whichever.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 August 25, 2010 Quote Quote For the record... I was against BOTH of those cluster fucks from the momnent I heard about them.... and got called names because if it... by the usual suspects. sorry you're still all butt-hurt about getting called names so long ago. either that you're still trying to prove your worth to this group. whichever. Sniff sniff it was my first banning for calling a piece of shit a piece of shit.... I guess pieces of shit get butt hurt far too easilyNah not butt hurt at all.. I leave all that getting butt hurt to the guys who are into that sort of thing.... closeted family values rePUBICans.TIME my dear has proved me right..... but those in the GOAT FUCK STUPID group are still defending that which is and always has been indefensible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #36 August 25, 2010 Quote Quote Quote For the record... I was against BOTH of those cluster fucks from the momnent I heard about them.... and got called names because if it... by the usual suspects. sorry you're still all butt-hurt about getting called names so long ago. either that you're still trying to prove your worth to this group. whichever. Sniff sniff it was my first banning for calling a piece of shit a piece of shit.... I guess pieces of shit get butt hurt far too easilyNah not butt hurt at all.. I leave all that getting butt hurt to the guys who are into that sort of thing.... closeted family values rePUBICans.TIME my dear has proved me right..... but those in the GOAT FUCK STUPID group are still defending that which is and always has been indefensible. You have offered absolutely nothing productive to this thread. Perhaps you should leave it for others who would like to have a productive conversation of the topic, rather than slinging and stirring up shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #37 August 25, 2010 Quote Quote Quote For the record... I was against BOTH of those cluster fucks from the momnent I heard about them.... and got called names because if it... by the usual suspects. sorry you're still all butt-hurt about getting called names so long ago. either that you're still trying to prove your worth to this group. whichever. Sniff sniff it was my first banning for calling a piece of shit a piece of shit.... I guess pieces of shit get butt hurt far too easilyNah not butt hurt at all.. I leave all that getting butt hurt to the guys who are into that sort of thing.... closeted family values rePUBICans.TIME my dear has proved me right..... but those in the GOAT FUCK STUPID group are still defending that which is and always has been indefensible. You do realise how what you say makes you sound? I'd elaborate, but Divot and Billy wouldn't be able to stop agreeing, as they know first hand.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #39 August 25, 2010 QuoteNO Then offer something productive about the topic at hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 August 25, 2010 QuoteQuoteNO Then offer something productive about the topic at hand. It is the PERFECT example of the law of unintended consequences. Any ill thought out meddling in a complex system will create unanticipated and often undesirable consequences as seen with the turd known as the Patriot Act. It appears that those who supported said turd are having second thoughts about that support. Pardon me while I gloat with a HUGE I TOLD YOU SO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #41 August 25, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteNO Then offer something productive about the topic at hand. It is the PERFECT example of the law of unintended consequences. Any ill thought out meddling in a complex system will create unanticipated and often undesirable consequences as seen with the turd known as the Patriot Act. It appears that those who supported said turd are having second thoughts about that support. Pardon me while I gloat with a HUGE I TOLD YOU SO you know... I many times thought a couple of not-nice words about you in the above replies and kept them to myself. I decided I might have been wrong in thinking those things. It appears I wasn't. I'll still keep my opinion to myself, but if you're trying to convince anyone you're capable of rational thought, you're going about it the wrong way.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #42 August 25, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote NO Then offer something productive about the topic at hand. It is the PERFECT example of the law of unintended consequences. Any ill thought out meddling in a complex system will create unanticipated and often undesirable consequences as seen with the turd known as the Patriot Act. It appears that those who supported said turd are having second thoughts about that support. Pardon me while I gloat with a HUGE I TOLD YOU SO you know... I many times thought a couple of not-nice words about you in the above replies and kept them to myself. I decided I might have been wrong in thinking those things. It appears I wasn't. I'll still keep my opinion to myself, but if you're trying to convince anyone you're capable of rational thought, you're going about it the wrong way. Awww did I step on someones last nerve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #43 August 25, 2010 >That's got nothing to do with tracking people without a warrant. Such abilities could easily be used to stop foreign terrorists who have already infiltrated our country. And people like you want to do away with the Patriot Act. It is ironic indeed that the people who supported the Bush Patriot Act are the same ones who argue so vehemently against this narrow intrusion upon personal privacy from the Patriot Act. Welcome to the bed you made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #44 August 25, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote NO Then offer something productive about the topic at hand. It is the PERFECT example of the law of unintended consequences. Any ill thought out meddling in a complex system will create unanticipated and often undesirable consequences as seen with the turd known as the Patriot Act. It appears that those who supported said turd are having second thoughts about that support. Pardon me while I gloat with a HUGE I TOLD YOU SO you know... I many times thought a couple of not-nice words about you in the above replies and kept them to myself. I decided I might have been wrong in thinking those things. It appears I wasn't. I'll still keep my opinion to myself, but if you're trying to convince anyone you're capable of rational thought, you're going about it the wrong way. Awww did I step on someones last nerve not at all... you remind me of this militant vegan chick I know. she's all condescending about veganism being right, and how her vegan body-builder buddy (not her husband) is such a man. All it does is stifle discussion and make any logical point she might have rendered impotent because nobody listens to what she says anymore. She reminds me of you... I don't know if you've made any logical point because I'm really not listening anymore.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #45 August 25, 2010 Quote>That's got nothing to do with tracking people without a warrant. Such abilities could easily be used to stop foreign terrorists who have already infiltrated our country. And people like you want to do away with the Patriot Act. It is ironic indeed that the people who supported the Bush Patriot Act are the same ones who argue so vehemently against this narrow intrusion upon personal privacy from the Patriot Act. Welcome to the bed you made. you're an intelligent man. You'd think you'd be welcoming John to the group of people that think the patriot act is a steaming pile of shit for it's erosion of our civil rights. Instead you crap on his newly found opinion making him pay oh so much attention to you. (oh wait... no... that was sarcasm) You're not much into changing anyones opinions on discussion topics are you.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #46 August 25, 2010 Quote Quote >That's got nothing to do with tracking people without a warrant. Such abilities could easily be used to stop foreign terrorists who have already infiltrated our country. And people like you want to do away with the Patriot Act. It is ironic indeed that the people who supported the Bush Patriot Act are the same ones who argue so vehemently against this narrow intrusion upon personal privacy from the Patriot Act. Welcome to the bed you made. you're an intelligent man. You'd think you'd be welcoming John to the group of people that think the patriot act is a steaming pile of shit for it's erosion of our civil rights. Instead you crap on his newly found opinion making him pay oh so much attention to you. (oh wait... no... that was sarcasm) You're not much into changing anyones opinions on discussion topics are you. I would say it has a lot to do with anger management, insecurity, and coping abilities.Edited to add: I responded without looking who he responded to.I just assumed he was speaking about another poster here. My bad.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #47 August 25, 2010 >You'd think you'd be welcoming John to the group of people that think the >patriot act is a steaming pile of shit for it's erosion of our civil rights. >Instead you crap . . . Scatological references aside, I'm glad he's come around - and I hope he can see that the popular support of the Patriot Act (which he contributed to) led directly to this. It's too late to change this mistake, but hopefully next time he will realize that something like the Patriot Act doesn't just take away the civil rights of Muslims, foreigners and other "not-us" people. >You're not much into changing anyones opinions on discussion topics are you. Not really. People can believe whatever they like; I'm not going to try to change their opinions. All I can do is give mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #48 August 25, 2010 Quote you remind me of this militant vegan chick I know. (This doesn't reflect my feelings torward Amazon, I just think that statement is hilarious.) Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #49 August 25, 2010 Quote Quote you remind me of this militant vegan chick I know. (This doesn't reflect my feelings torward Amazon, I just think that statement is hilarious.) Can I second that?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #50 August 25, 2010 Quote Quote you remind me of this militant vegan chick I know. (This doesn't reflect my feelings torward Amazon, I just think that statement is hilarious.) I was thinking someone needed some good dairy products with that one to go with all that bitchin aka WAAAAAAAhnin Damn good thing that can import the good stuff down there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
