wmw999 2,541 #1 August 26, 2010 Their religion calls for plural marriage. That's illegal,isn't it? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scruffy 0 #2 August 26, 2010 You might want to check out the 1890 manifesto of the LDS church.Peace, love and hoppiness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,541 #3 August 26, 2010 Oh no. There are still Mormons who practice plural marriage. It's there in their book. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #4 August 26, 2010 QuoteOh no. There are still Mormons who practice plural marriage. It's there in their book. Wendy P. Well, there are groups that call themselves "Mormons" that still practice polygamy. They are not recognized by the "official" LDS church. They also seem ok with pedophelia and incest (1st cousins anyway). There are extremists in most religions."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,073 #5 August 26, 2010 >There are extremists in most religions. Agreed. I think we can also agree that the mainstream of the religion should not be equated to what the extremists do, no matter what the religion is (and no matter what their books say.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #6 August 26, 2010 Quote >There are extremists in most religions. Agreed. I think we can also agree that the mainstream of the religion should not be equated to what the extremists do, no matter what the religion is (and no matter what their books say.) Nooooooo!!!!!! For any religion we like we must make the above statement. For any religion we dislike we must make sure to equate any extremist behavior to the entire population of that religion. So because most in the US are Christian (or a subset of) the abortion clinic bombers/dotor killers are extemists well outside the bounds of the normal practitioners. But ALL Muslims are wife-beheading, America-hating fanatics who are willing to strap on a bomb vest at the drop of a hat to get their 72 virgins. We really need a sarcasm font "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 August 26, 2010 Quote We really need a sarcasm font Whatever font you're using to read SC . . . IS the sarcasm font.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #8 August 26, 2010 Awesome! MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndege 0 #9 August 26, 2010 Well all religious books are full of illegal, immoral and unhealthy practices. The leaders modify the teachings to try and keep them in line with modern ethics, and laws (well not all-you know who you are). The truth of the matter is that none of these books could be published today as they would be considered racist, bigoted, intolerent and hateful. Let me modify that and say unless under the guise of religious freedom which apparently exempts them any form of political correctness or even common sense. So yes the Mormon church originally espoused plural marriages - then modified that. Just as it modified it's stance on Blacks. Most people, in any faith, who stick most closely to the original are now called fanatics. Makes you wonder about the whole thing - well not really. It just shows the stupidity of basing your life on writings from the time when even the best educated knew less than a well educated 8 year old of today. Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #10 August 26, 2010 QuoteAgreed. I think we can also agree that the mainstream of the religion should not be equated to what the extremists do, no matter what the religion is (and no matter what their books say.) That is why I think all religion is BS. Every religion is divided against itself. That is evident by the fact that every one has a bible or whatever and those books are then tailored to whatever that particular group within that religion believes. The bible says gays shouldn't marry. But some Christian faiths ignore that and some don't. I was a member of a Mormon Church in Irvine for awhile as a kid. Mostly went because they had a good basketball league and pretty girls...but they were all good people in the Ward. I am still very good friends with a lot of them. One of them is like a brother to me to this day. But the fact is Joseph Smith was supposedly a prophet and had a direct line to God. God told him it is alright to have multiple wives. So he wrote in the Book of Mormon. Later on people said....we dont think this part is right...so lets change it. Seems to me if God told Mr. Smith that is the right thing, well they should be following what their God said to this day right? Pick and choose, pick and choose.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #11 August 26, 2010 "God said so" has pretty much been the excuse to pass blame for anything anyone has wanted to do since man discovered fire. Until I see it Written in fire in letters thirty feet high I'm not buying anyone else's game of divine telephone tag.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #12 August 26, 2010 Me either. Faith? I have faith that everything man touches he twists to his own point of view. Me, you, them, us. Whatever. Religion is just away to control others. Actually I would have more respect for religion if they followed their story books to the letter. At lest then the true evil of religion would be seen for what it is.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #13 August 26, 2010 QuoteTheir religion calls for plural marriage. That's illegal,isn't it? Wendy P. Not all Mormons...common misunderstanding! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #14 August 26, 2010 Quote Quote Agreed. I think we can also agree that the mainstream of the religion should not be equated to what the extremists do, no matter what the religion is (and no matter what their books say.) That is why I think all religion is BS. Every religion is divided against itself. That is evident by the fact that every one has a bible or whatever and those books are then tailored to whatever that particular group within that religion believes. The bible says gays shouldn't marry. But some Christian faiths ignore that and some don't. I was a member of a Mormon Church in Irvine for awhile as a kid. Mostly went because they had a good basketball league and pretty girls...but they were all good people in the Ward. I am still very good friends with a lot of them. One of them is like a brother to me to this day. But the fact is Brigham Young was supposedly a prophet and had a direct line to God. God told him it is alright to have multiple wives. So he wrote in the Book of Mormon. Later on people said....we dont think this part is right...so lets change it. Seems to me if God told Mr. Young that is the right thing, well they should be following what their God said to this day right? Pick and choose, pick and choose. As Catholics have been doing for the past 80 or more years! Imagin how many people are in pergatory, or paroled from there, because catholics keep changing the rules! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,541 #15 August 26, 2010 Why can we differentiate among "flavors" of Mormon, some of whom practice extreme behaviors, and we can't differentiate among "flavors" of Muslim? Familiarity doesn't always breed contempt -- it can also breed acceptance. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #16 August 26, 2010 QuoteTheir religion calls for plural marriage. That's illegal,isn't it? Wendy P. Mormons make it up as they go along. Joseph Smith makes L. Ron Hubbard look like a case study in the presentation of reproducible results. Joseph Smith and Muhammad were kindred spirits in that they had a series of "revelations" that served to both keep them in power and provide an endless supply of fresh "wives." What amazes me is that anyone takes any of it as anything but hokum of the first order. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #17 August 26, 2010 Quote But the fact is Brigham Young was supposedly a prophet and had a direct line to God. God told him it is alright to have multiple wives. So he wrote in the Book of Mormon. Later on people said....we dont think this part is right...so lets change it. Seems to me if God told Mr. Young that is the right thing, well they should be following what their God said to this day right? Pick and choose, pick and choose. Well, to be more specific, Utah wanted to join the Union and dropping polygamy was a requirement. So LDS changes this and while it still has practicers, that the main body does not meant that after 100+ years, it's not very common. Though you think this might have happened anyway due to basic biology. When women slightly outnumber men, how do you maintain a concept where the men can have multiple wives? With the higher death rate for men in the 19th Century due to wars and the dangers of the frontier, you might have a different ratio. (Maybe this is the answer for China now - women can take multiple partners) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #18 August 26, 2010 QuoteWhy can we differentiate among "flavors" of Mormon, some of whom practice extreme behaviors, and we can't differentiate among "flavors" of Muslim? Some people want to fit in and others want to fit in but only on their terms.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #19 August 26, 2010 Opps. I really did mean to type Joseph Smith. Went back to edit his name in. I had BYU on the brain thinking about all the cute chicks that I know that went there.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #20 August 26, 2010 QuoteWhy can we differentiate among "flavors" of Mormon, some of whom practice extreme behaviors, and we can't differentiate among "flavors" of Muslim? Familiarity doesn't always breed contempt -- it can also breed acceptance. Wendy P. As soon as Muslims have lived in peace for over 200 years...No problem! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #21 August 26, 2010 Quote With the higher death rate for men in the 19th Century due to wars and the dangers of the frontier, you might have a different ratio. (Maybe this is the answer for China now - women can take multiple partners) Or since the simple answer tends to be the right one a lot of time. Maybe Joseph Smith was just a horny dude and wanted as much poon as he could get. Im pretty sure Muhammad was that way. He liked em real young as well.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,073 #22 August 26, 2010 >As soon as Muslims have lived in peace for over 200 years...No problem! That will probably happen around the same time the Catholics in Ireland start living in peace with the Protestants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,541 #23 August 26, 2010 The Mormons haven't lived in peace for 200 years. Read up on the Mountain Meadows massacre and blood atonement. About 1.2% of the American population are fundamentalists, and the fundamentalist churches believe in polygamy. Numbers from Wikipedia (fundamentalist Mormonism) and Adherents.com. I'm not trying to bash the Mormons. The beliefs are weird to me, but much of the lifestyle is heathy and family-friendly. I'm really just trying to show how painting all Muslims with the same brush based on exposure to a few is stupid and narrowminded. 150 years ago people were having conversations about the Mormons that some are having about Muslims now. And there was more violence against the Mormons than they ever perpetrated. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #24 August 26, 2010 QuoteThe Mormons haven't lived in peace for 200 years. Read up on the Mountain Meadows massacre and blood atonement.Quote All religion is evil and kills people. Islam is the most violent and murderous at this present time.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #25 August 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteOh no. There are still Mormons who practice plural marriage. It's there in their book. Wendy P. 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dgskydive 0 #10 August 26, 2010 QuoteAgreed. I think we can also agree that the mainstream of the religion should not be equated to what the extremists do, no matter what the religion is (and no matter what their books say.) That is why I think all religion is BS. Every religion is divided against itself. That is evident by the fact that every one has a bible or whatever and those books are then tailored to whatever that particular group within that religion believes. The bible says gays shouldn't marry. But some Christian faiths ignore that and some don't. I was a member of a Mormon Church in Irvine for awhile as a kid. Mostly went because they had a good basketball league and pretty girls...but they were all good people in the Ward. I am still very good friends with a lot of them. One of them is like a brother to me to this day. But the fact is Joseph Smith was supposedly a prophet and had a direct line to God. God told him it is alright to have multiple wives. So he wrote in the Book of Mormon. Later on people said....we dont think this part is right...so lets change it. Seems to me if God told Mr. Smith that is the right thing, well they should be following what their God said to this day right? Pick and choose, pick and choose.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #11 August 26, 2010 "God said so" has pretty much been the excuse to pass blame for anything anyone has wanted to do since man discovered fire. Until I see it Written in fire in letters thirty feet high I'm not buying anyone else's game of divine telephone tag.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #12 August 26, 2010 Me either. Faith? I have faith that everything man touches he twists to his own point of view. Me, you, them, us. Whatever. Religion is just away to control others. Actually I would have more respect for religion if they followed their story books to the letter. At lest then the true evil of religion would be seen for what it is.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #13 August 26, 2010 QuoteTheir religion calls for plural marriage. That's illegal,isn't it? Wendy P. Not all Mormons...common misunderstanding! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #14 August 26, 2010 Quote Quote Agreed. I think we can also agree that the mainstream of the religion should not be equated to what the extremists do, no matter what the religion is (and no matter what their books say.) That is why I think all religion is BS. Every religion is divided against itself. That is evident by the fact that every one has a bible or whatever and those books are then tailored to whatever that particular group within that religion believes. The bible says gays shouldn't marry. But some Christian faiths ignore that and some don't. I was a member of a Mormon Church in Irvine for awhile as a kid. Mostly went because they had a good basketball league and pretty girls...but they were all good people in the Ward. I am still very good friends with a lot of them. One of them is like a brother to me to this day. But the fact is Brigham Young was supposedly a prophet and had a direct line to God. God told him it is alright to have multiple wives. So he wrote in the Book of Mormon. Later on people said....we dont think this part is right...so lets change it. Seems to me if God told Mr. Young that is the right thing, well they should be following what their God said to this day right? Pick and choose, pick and choose. As Catholics have been doing for the past 80 or more years! Imagin how many people are in pergatory, or paroled from there, because catholics keep changing the rules! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,541 #15 August 26, 2010 Why can we differentiate among "flavors" of Mormon, some of whom practice extreme behaviors, and we can't differentiate among "flavors" of Muslim? Familiarity doesn't always breed contempt -- it can also breed acceptance. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #16 August 26, 2010 QuoteTheir religion calls for plural marriage. That's illegal,isn't it? Wendy P. Mormons make it up as they go along. Joseph Smith makes L. Ron Hubbard look like a case study in the presentation of reproducible results. Joseph Smith and Muhammad were kindred spirits in that they had a series of "revelations" that served to both keep them in power and provide an endless supply of fresh "wives." What amazes me is that anyone takes any of it as anything but hokum of the first order. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #17 August 26, 2010 Quote But the fact is Brigham Young was supposedly a prophet and had a direct line to God. God told him it is alright to have multiple wives. So he wrote in the Book of Mormon. Later on people said....we dont think this part is right...so lets change it. Seems to me if God told Mr. Young that is the right thing, well they should be following what their God said to this day right? Pick and choose, pick and choose. Well, to be more specific, Utah wanted to join the Union and dropping polygamy was a requirement. So LDS changes this and while it still has practicers, that the main body does not meant that after 100+ years, it's not very common. Though you think this might have happened anyway due to basic biology. When women slightly outnumber men, how do you maintain a concept where the men can have multiple wives? With the higher death rate for men in the 19th Century due to wars and the dangers of the frontier, you might have a different ratio. (Maybe this is the answer for China now - women can take multiple partners) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #18 August 26, 2010 QuoteWhy can we differentiate among "flavors" of Mormon, some of whom practice extreme behaviors, and we can't differentiate among "flavors" of Muslim? Some people want to fit in and others want to fit in but only on their terms.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #19 August 26, 2010 Opps. I really did mean to type Joseph Smith. Went back to edit his name in. I had BYU on the brain thinking about all the cute chicks that I know that went there.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #20 August 26, 2010 QuoteWhy can we differentiate among "flavors" of Mormon, some of whom practice extreme behaviors, and we can't differentiate among "flavors" of Muslim? Familiarity doesn't always breed contempt -- it can also breed acceptance. Wendy P. As soon as Muslims have lived in peace for over 200 years...No problem! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #21 August 26, 2010 Quote With the higher death rate for men in the 19th Century due to wars and the dangers of the frontier, you might have a different ratio. (Maybe this is the answer for China now - women can take multiple partners) Or since the simple answer tends to be the right one a lot of time. Maybe Joseph Smith was just a horny dude and wanted as much poon as he could get. Im pretty sure Muhammad was that way. He liked em real young as well.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,073 #22 August 26, 2010 >As soon as Muslims have lived in peace for over 200 years...No problem! That will probably happen around the same time the Catholics in Ireland start living in peace with the Protestants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,541 #23 August 26, 2010 The Mormons haven't lived in peace for 200 years. Read up on the Mountain Meadows massacre and blood atonement. About 1.2% of the American population are fundamentalists, and the fundamentalist churches believe in polygamy. Numbers from Wikipedia (fundamentalist Mormonism) and Adherents.com. I'm not trying to bash the Mormons. The beliefs are weird to me, but much of the lifestyle is heathy and family-friendly. I'm really just trying to show how painting all Muslims with the same brush based on exposure to a few is stupid and narrowminded. 150 years ago people were having conversations about the Mormons that some are having about Muslims now. And there was more violence against the Mormons than they ever perpetrated. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #24 August 26, 2010 QuoteThe Mormons haven't lived in peace for 200 years. Read up on the Mountain Meadows massacre and blood atonement.Quote All religion is evil and kills people. Islam is the most violent and murderous at this present time.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #25 August 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteOh no. There are still Mormons who practice plural marriage. It's there in their book. Wendy P. Well, there are groups that call themselves "Mormons" that still practice polygamy. They are not recognized by the "official" LDS church. They also seem ok with pedophelia and incest (1st cousins anyway). There are extremists in most religions. It would be inappropriate to label the vast majority of LDS polygamists as "extremists." Many of them attend the same wardhouse as their single-spouse counterparts. Two of my neighbors are polygs, and there are a couple skydive polygs too. They are normal members of the Church in many respects. In Cardwell Alberta, same scenario as here in Utah, FWIW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
DSE 5 #25 August 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteOh no. There are still Mormons who practice plural marriage. It's there in their book. Wendy P. Well, there are groups that call themselves "Mormons" that still practice polygamy. They are not recognized by the "official" LDS church. They also seem ok with pedophelia and incest (1st cousins anyway). There are extremists in most religions. It would be inappropriate to label the vast majority of LDS polygamists as "extremists." Many of them attend the same wardhouse as their single-spouse counterparts. Two of my neighbors are polygs, and there are a couple skydive polygs too. They are normal members of the Church in many respects. In Cardwell Alberta, same scenario as here in Utah, FWIW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
