Lucky... 0 #26 September 9, 2010 QuoteI happen to agree with both of you. I got myself a better CPA, and lower taxes would help. Where did the 90% bit come from? I've never seen over 70% in the US, even of you count income tax and then taxes on spending. The top marginal rate was 94% in WWII at the peak. Truman lowered it to 82% and then back to 91% as teh post-war recession was killer. Esp with Cold War spending and nucular (spelled that way top make any neo-cons feel at home) proliferation from 1946 to 1958, not to mention Korean War spending. The debt fell 3 years of Eisenhower's 8 years as he left the top brkt at 91%. The top brkt stayed in the 80's, 70's throughout the 1960's, 1970's until Fascist Ronnie knocked them down from 70% to 28% from 81 to 86 and the debt went up steep. As for the top brkt, that is but 1/2 the equation, the other half being the dollar amount at which that tax is applied. But the top brkt is a good indicator by which to understand the tax rates. Whenever we've had high taxes, that demands top earners to reinvest as a shelter, which stimulates the economoy. When taxes are low, it is more prudent to pull your money, not invest, not build and that stagnates the economy. Here is a chart showing top tax rates over 100 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States More specifically, look at the chart: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/MarginalIncomeTax.svg/500px-MarginalIncomeTax.svg.png Look at the period of Harding Coolidge in teh early 1920's where they chopped taxes from 73% to 25%, then look at fascist Ronnie who did the same thing from 70% to 28% in a little longer time. These started the 2 worst economic times in US history, certainly the last 100 years. The best times were under high taxes, not that any/many paid those rates, but that it made them reinvest to keep it, which stimulated jobs. I have an article I recently posted where the author states it best: It's counter intuitive to think high taxes lead to better times, but they do. They go on to give the reasons I gave. As a young, ultra-conservative male I don't see you buying into this, buit it plants a seed and maybe in 20 or 30 years you'll get it. The data is clear, if not, show me a major federal tax cut that has led to overall betterment. Not theory, but application. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #27 September 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteI happen to agree with both of you. I got myself a better CPA, and lower taxes would help. Where did the 90% bit come from? I've never seen over 70% in the US, even of you count income tax and then taxes on spending. Back in the '40s, '50s, and early '60s. One chart here: www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php AKA the best, sustained economic years of the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #28 September 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteI happen to agree with both of you. I got myself a better CPA, and lower taxes would help. Where did the 90% bit come from? I've never seen over 70% in the US, even of you count income tax and then taxes on spending. Back in the '40s, '50s, and early '60s. One chart here: www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php If you think that tax rate was used mainly to fund "socialism" in the US during that time, you're wrong. After World War II, that was principally to fund the (largely peacetime) massive military buildup that morphed into the Cold War military-industrial complex. In the US, unlike the UK and most of Europe during the 50s, those taxes were not used mainly to fund domestic social services programs like the other nations' comprehensive national health services. Eisenhower (Republican), who was President from 1953-1961, could have put the brakes on that, but did not. Eisenhower did end the Korean War and nuclear proliferation went from 46 to 58, so I think he did what he could amongst times when most morons thought Communism was gonna take hold of America and ruin it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #29 September 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote An emotional response to a complicated issue from a "progressive"? Say it ain't so..................... Followd by meaningless drivel from a cop. And an even less important attempt at an insult by an ******. You can't even insult well, what has 6 letters and is preceeded by, "an?" What an *****. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #30 September 9, 2010 8 in a row. I think we have a record. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #31 September 9, 2010 Quote 8 in a row. I think we have a record. NOT EVEN CLOSE . . . I believe it was 10, then in the very next thread 11 . . . I think 12 is the actual record.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #32 September 9, 2010 Quote8 in a row. I think we have a record. nah, that's close to his average. Many sets of 8 out there. I figure his record is in the low teens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #33 September 9, 2010 QuoteQuote8 in a row. I think we have a record. nah, that's close to his average. Many sets of 8 out there. I figure his record is in the low teens. Usually it occurs most prolifically in his own threads where he feels the OP would be sympathetic to his causes.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #34 September 9, 2010 QuoteQuote8 in a row. I think we have a record. nah, that's close to his average. Many sets of 8 out there. I figure his record is in the low teens. I know, I s/b like you and leave a 3-word cliche. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #35 September 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote8 in a row. I think we have a record. nah, that's close to his average. Many sets of 8 out there. I figure his record is in the low teens. Usually it occurs most prolifically in his own threads where he feels the OP would be sympathetic to his causes. http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 September 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote8 in a row. I think we have a record. nah, that's close to his average. Many sets of 8 out there. I figure his record is in the low teens. I know, I s/b like you and leave a 3-word cliche. Instead, you leave 500 word cliches.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #37 September 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote8 in a row. I think we have a record. nah, that's close to his average. Many sets of 8 out there. I figure his record is in the low teens. I know, I s/b like you and leave a 3-word cliche. Instead, you leave 500 word cliches. My 500-word cliches, as you call them, have these things called websites that direct a person who can read into supporting info. Whereas yours and other neo-cons don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 September 9, 2010 QuoteMy 500-word cliches, as you call them, have these things called websites that direct a person who can read into supporting info. Whereas yours and other neo-cons don't. Whatever you say, rhys Lucky.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #39 September 9, 2010 Quote8 in a row. I think we have a record. Those 8 posts you speak of were well thought out and structured replies covering the points they were replying to remarkably well. Then the next 8 replys are from those that cannot counter the points because they were so well explained and this logic has me thinking. I never thought of the super high taxes for the upper earners like that before but it makes perfect sence. better to have the majority of the cash invested into other projects to keep an economy going, than to have it horded. It obviously makes sense to those that have made the previous 7 replies also, as there would at least be some sort of attemt to reply to the content but instead the imminent stabs at irrelevant points to get the last word in. After a couple of months off and returning to this forum it really is pathetic to see the same narrow mindedness prevail. It is refreshing however, to see the word 'invade' being used now days intead of some bullshit freedom fighting ploy. If someone is going to be a cunt, then at least they should be honest about it!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #40 September 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteI happen to agree with both of you. I got myself a better CPA, and lower taxes would help. Where did the 90% bit come from? I've never seen over 70% in the US, even of you count income tax and then taxes on spending. Back in the '40s, '50s, and early '60s. One chart here: www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php AKA the best, sustained economic years of the US. When money is taken from one entity by another, it is normal for the taker to be better off.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #41 September 9, 2010 I seriously believe Rhys and Lucky are two personas of the same person. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #42 September 10, 2010 What kills me is that they think that they are relevant, rather than relegated to everyones' "full of shit" file. I love how every poster that disagrees with them is automatically ultra conservative, or a neo con, or a fascist (or all of the above). I don't think they are the same person, they just share the same psychoses.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #43 September 10, 2010 I don't give a fuck.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #44 September 10, 2010 QuoteQuote8 in a row. I think we have a record. Those 8 posts you speak of were well thought out and structured replies covering the points they were replying to remarkably well. Then the next 8 replys are from those that cannot counter the points because they were so well explained and this logic has me thinking. I never thought of the super high taxes for the upper earners like that before but it makes perfect sence. better to have the majority of the cash invested into other projects to keep an economy going, than to have it horded. It obviously makes sense to those that have made the previous 7 replies also, as there would at least be some sort of attemt to reply to the content but instead the imminent stabs at irrelevant points to get the last word in. After a couple of months off and returning to this forum it really is pathetic to see the same narrow mindedness prevail. It is refreshing however, to see the word 'invade' being used now days intead of some bullshit freedom fighting ploy. If someone is going to be a cunt, then at least they should be honest about it! Actually, the next post attached are from people that don't consider the post worth reading. It usually says the same thing over and over and over and over again. The credibility has been shot. The posts get glanced over as if they are commercials in an action show.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #45 September 10, 2010 QuoteWhat kills me is that they think that they are relevant, rather than relegated to everyones' "full of shit" file. I love how every poster that disagrees with them is automatically ultra conservative, or a neo con, or a fascist (or all of the above). I don't think they are the same person, they just share the same psychoses. Spoken like a true cop, now go beat up (insert which ever group you target) and claim they assaulted you first. And after all that, you are still sadly unable to show me a major fed tax cut that has benefited the country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #46 September 10, 2010 QuoteI don't give a fuck. Why post then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #47 September 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI happen to agree with both of you. I got myself a better CPA, and lower taxes would help. Where did the 90% bit come from? I've never seen over 70% in the US, even of you count income tax and then taxes on spending. Back in the '40s, '50s, and early '60s. One chart here: www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php AKA the best, sustained economic years of the US. When money is taken from one entity by another, it is normal for the taker to be better off. Eisnstein, as I've pointed out, the uber rich don't pay those taxes, they have bean counters telling them how much to spend to avoid these taxes, which stimulates the economy, creates jobs, etc. Under low taxes, the bean counters advise the uber rich to pull out their cash while they can until some president with a conscience comes along and forces investment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #48 September 10, 2010 Quote I seriously believe Rhys and Lucky are two personas of the same person. You also thought an impeachment was a conviction, so take it for what it's worth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #49 September 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote8 in a row. I think we have a record. Those 8 posts you speak of were well thought out and structured replies covering the points they were replying to remarkably well. Then the next 8 replys are from those that cannot counter the points because they were so well explained and this logic has me thinking. I never thought of the super high taxes for the upper earners like that before but it makes perfect sence. better to have the majority of the cash invested into other projects to keep an economy going, than to have it horded. It obviously makes sense to those that have made the previous 7 replies also, as there would at least be some sort of attemt to reply to the content but instead the imminent stabs at irrelevant points to get the last word in. After a couple of months off and returning to this forum it really is pathetic to see the same narrow mindedness prevail. It is refreshing however, to see the word 'invade' being used now days intead of some bullshit freedom fighting ploy. If someone is going to be a cunt, then at least they should be honest about it! Actually, the next post attached are from people that don't consider the post worth reading. It usually says the same thing over and over and over and over again. The credibility has been shot. The posts get glanced over as if they are commercials in an action show. You can't show me a major fed tax that has benefitted the masses, you just keep attacking the person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #50 September 10, 2010 QuoteQuote8 in a row. I think we have a record. Those 8 posts you speak of were well thought out and structured replies covering the points they were replying to remarkably well. Then the next 8 replys are from those that cannot counter the points because they were so well explained and this logic has me thinking. I never thought of the super high taxes for the upper earners like that before but it makes perfect sence. better to have the majority of the cash invested into other projects to keep an economy going, than to have it horded. It obviously makes sense to those that have made the previous 7 replies also, as there would at least be some sort of attemt to reply to the content but instead the imminent stabs at irrelevant points to get the last word in. After a couple of months off and returning to this forum it really is pathetic to see the same narrow mindedness prevail. It is refreshing however, to see the word 'invade' being used now days intead of some bullshit freedom fighting ploy. If someone is going to be a cunt, then at least they should be honest about it! Thx man, but as you know, the drones can't address them so they atatck the poster as a distraction. You've seen it a million times from the same posters. I posted an article before that states it the way I've been saying it for years, let me see if I can find it. http://www.alternet.org/economy/106979/ Ya, here it is, it really lays it out. The data is irrefutable that high taxes force reinvestment, hence jobs and growth. I've been saying this long before I read this,but thie illustrates the way I feel and again, the way the data reads. To think otherwise is insanity: try the same thing and expect diff results. As you said: better to have the majority of the cash invested into other projects to keep an economy going, than to have it horded. Low taxes, profits taken out, economy falls flat and wages drop; a neo-con's dream. After a couple of months off and returning to this forum it really is pathetic to see the same narrow mindedness prevail. Usual suspects, same drivel and unwillingness to address data. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
