Burn the Quran!

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>But you don't think he should.

I don't think he should or he shouldn't. He should do what he wants with his property, whether I (or you for that matter) thinks it's a good idea.

I'm sure you won't check with him if you decide to build a hangar somewhere.

Either a: you have absolutely no opinion

Or b: You are scared of someone bringing this post back up when it benefits an argument.

Or he likes to make really crappy analogies.

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>But you don't think he should.

I don't think he should or he shouldn't. He should do what he wants with his property, whether I (or you for that matter) thinks it's a good idea.

I'm sure you won't check with him if you decide to build a hangar somewhere.

Either a: you have absolutely no opinion

Or b: You are scared of someone bringing this post back up when it benefits an argument.

Or he likes to make really crappy analogies.

BAH - that's just his SOP.

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>But you don't think he should.
I don't think he should or he shouldn't. He should do what he wants with his property, whether I (or you for that matter) thinks it's a good idea.
I'm sure you won't check with him if you decide to build a hangar somewhere.

Either a: you have absolutely no opinion
Or b: You are scared of someone bringing this post back up when it benefits an argument.

Or he likes to make really crappy analogies.

that would be choice c ?

[billvon 2,998]

>Either a: you have absolutely no opinion

Do I have an opinion over whether he should build it on Park Street instead of somewhere else? Not really. I will likely never go there.

Do I have an opinion on whether or not he should be allowed to build it wherever he likes, no matter what someone in Texas thinks of it? Yes. He should be able to build it wherever he likes.

Do I have an opinion on whether people who simply do not like Muslims in lower Manhattan should be ignored? Yes, they should be ignored like any other bigot should be.

Does that answer your question?

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He should do what he wants with his property, whether I (or you for that matter) thinks it's a good idea.

But he doesn't care if there's a mosque built or not.

You *are* talking about the person that has the majority share in the property, right?

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Hisham Elzanaty, an Egyptian-born businessman who says he provided a majority of the financing to gain control over the two buildings where the center would be built, told The Associated Press this week that while he supports the concept, he needs to turn a profit.

He said one of the buildings is worth millions if it is redeveloped, and he intends to seize the opportunity. He said he would like to see the other building turned into a mosque, but if his community doesn't come forward with enough cash for him to break even, he will turn it over to someone else.

"I'm a businessman. This was a mere business transaction for me," said Elzanaty, a U.S. citizen who has lived on Long Island for decades, owns medical clinics in New York City and invests in real estate on the side.

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[billvon 2,998]

>You *are* talking about the person that has the majority share in
>the property, right?

Whoever owns it. He can do whatever he likes.

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>Will the same be ok should the GZ mosque be moved for the same reason?

He can do whatever he likes with the mosque. If he doesn't want to move it, great. If he does, that's fine too.

Absolutely
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That is not what I asked now it is

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>Will the same be ok should the GZ mosque be moved for the same reason?

He can do whatever he likes with the mosque. If he doesn't want to move it, great. If he does, that's fine too.

Absolutely
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That is not what I asked now it is

What did you ask?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 2,998]

>What did you ask?

"Will the same be ok should the GZ mosque be moved for the same reason?"

But he didn't like the answer, so the question will now be changed.

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BREAKING NEWS! Pastor is not going to burn the Quran.

Had a feeling it would turn out that way.

Instead, they removed the toilet paper holder and installed a book rack.

Hahahaha!


NEW BREAKING NEWS----> Donald Trump has offered to buy the site the mosque is planned to be built on.

http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2010/09/09/donald-trump-inserts-himself-into-mosque-controversy/

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>You *are* talking about the person that has the majority share in
>the property, right?

Whoever owns it. He can do whatever he likes.

I agree with Billvon. And with his refusal to provide a personal opinion on a question that doesn't pertain to law.

Asking whether he has a 'personal' opinion on whether a "victory mosque" should be built anywhere near the Ground Zero site is a definite moot point if one wants to stay consistent with the position that people should have the right to do whatever they want to with their property.

You guys aren't really gaining any points pushing the issue and claiming some high ground. Bill's taking the TRUE libertarian position here while you guys are digressing to the whole lefty (and religious right) standard of "butting into other's people biz" positions


Edit: I'm mainly disgusted with the media for escalating the mosque and the Qu'ran burning stories for both ratings and political points. These are both non-stories

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Edit: I'm mainly disgusted with the media for escalating the mosque and the Qu'ran burning stories for both ratings and political points. These are both non-stories

We live in a world of information.. If it wasn't being covered in the 'media', it would be (and is) all over internet blogs and youtube etc... I agree the media blows some stuff out of proprtion, but they are stories worth covering to some degree.

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>You *are* talking about the person that has the majority share in
>the property, right?

Whoever owns it. He can do whatever he likes.

I agree with Billvon. And with his refusal to provide a personal opinion on a question that doesn't pertain to law.

Asking whether he has a 'personal' opinion on whether a "victory mosque" should be built anywhere near the Ground Zero site is a definite moot point if one wants to stay consistent with the position that people should have the right to do whatever they want to with their property.

You guys aren't really gaining any points pushing the issue and claiming some high ground. Bill's taking the TRUE libertarian position here while you guys are digressing to the whole lefty (and religious right) standard of "butting into other's people biz" positions


Edit: I'm mainly disgusted with the media for escalating the mosque and the Qu'ran burning stories for both ratings and political points. These are both non-stories

It is the consistency across the issues I question

The quran burning and the mosque placement issue are exactly identical when boiled to the right to do it or not. Yet look at how differently people positions are on them.

I think the one who wants to burn them is being an ass. Same for the one who wants to build the mosque where he does

But some here posted that they do not think the mosque should even be debated because it is so cut and dried but comment profusely about the piro preacher

Why?

Same with the media
Why are the two so different to them?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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It is the consistency across the issues I question

The quran burning and the mosque placement issue are exactly identical when boiled to the right to do it or not. Yet look at how differently people positions are on them.

I think the one who wants to burn them is being an ass. Same for the one who wants to build the mosque where he does

There is a definite difference in motive (although you will disagree). The guy burning the books is doing so for the sole reason of getting publicity, being offensive and pissing people off.

It's harder to stay neutral when someone is deliberately trying to be so unpleasant.

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But some here posted that they do not think the mosque should even be debated because it is so cut and dried but comment profusely about the piro preacher

Why?

Same with the media

Is it? the media debate about the mosque has been huge.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

Does he have the right to burn the books?

That is a yes or no question

Do they have the right to build the mosque ?

That is a yes or no question

According to some here (at least for one of the topics) there is no real reason to spend much time taking about because it is a constitutional right

Same for the other event yet it is condemed

Consistant?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,998]

>The quran burning and the mosque placement issue are exactly
>identical when boiled to the right to do it or not.

They are quite similar. yes. And both people have the right to do what they want in those cases.

>I think the one who wants to burn them is being an ass.

Agreed. He is not doing it for any constructive purpose; he is doing it to anger people. Indeed, he is very literally being destructive.

> Same for the one who wants to build the mosque where he does

Disagreed. This was a non-issue when it was proposed, and it had the full support of the local community. The preliminary plans were publicized and did not garner any objections. For over a year it was used as a mosque and there was no friction. If the media had not started their blitz on the Mosque no one would have even noticed it was there.

So the two issues, to me, are completely different. This is the very definition of doing something constructive; they are quite literally constructing something, improving a place of worship with the support of their community. It was not any kind of a political issue until anti-Muslim types made it one.

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>The quran burning and the mosque placement issue are exactly
>identical when boiled to the right to do it or not.

They are quite similar. yes. And both people have the right to do what they want in those cases.

>I think the one who wants to burn them is being an ass.

Agreed. He is not doing it for any constructive purpose; he is doing it to anger people. Indeed, he is very literally being destructive.

> Same for the one who wants to build the mosque where he does

Disagreed. This was a non-issue when it was proposed, and it had the full support of the local community. The preliminary plans were publicized and did not garner any objections. For over a year it was used as a mosque and there was no friction. If the media had not started their blitz on the Mosque no one would have even noticed it was there.

So the two issues, to me, are completely different. This is the very definition of doing something constructive; they are quite literally constructing something, improving a place of worship with the support of their community. It was not any kind of a political issue until anti-Muslim types made it one.

To me thery are not
The same reasons aply to the mosque builder as he is doing it for the same reasons IMO

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Fully agreed!

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Fully agreed!

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Does he have the right to burn the books?

That is a yes or no question

Yes. I have made my opinion clear on that.

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Do they have the right to build the mosque ?

That is a yes or no question

Yes. I have made my opinion clear on that.

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According to some here (at least for one of the topics) there is no real reason to spend much time taking about because it is a constitutional right

Same for the other event yet it is condemed

I think you're seeing what you want to see.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Does he have the right to burn the books?

That is a yes or no question

Yes. I have made my opinion clear on that.

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Do they have the right to build the mosque ?

That is a yes or no question

Yes. I have made my opinion clear on that.

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According to some here (at least for one of the topics) there is no real reason to spend much time taking about because it is a constitutional right

Same for the other event yet it is condemed

I think you're seeing what you want to see.

Or maybe your eyes are wide closed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,500]

I'll bear that in mind.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Fully agreed!

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IMNotSoHO Guys like the pastor should just stick to lighting crosses.. I have some cousins right up the road in Ocala with that same fucking mentality exibited in this "church"

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So, without the media blitz on the Pyro Preacher, would you have known about it?

"Constructive" is subjective . . . depending on where your beliefs are.

You could have very well have typed "If the media had not started their blitz on the burning of the koran, no one would have even noticed it was there."

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[billvon 2,998]

>"Constructive" is subjective . . . depending on where your beliefs are.

It also has a literal meaning. The mosque is constructive; the Koran burning is destructive. Literally.

>You could have very well have typed "If the media had not started their
>blitz on the burning of the koran, no one would have even noticed it was
>there."

Quite true - and there's the big difference between the two.

If the media had not started their blitz on the mosque, they would still be quietly planning it as they have been for the past year, and it would someday open and serve its purpose as a mosque, without fanfare or fearmongering headlines. The way things are, the media may well destroy that plan.

If the media had not started their blitz on the Koran-burning, he would have had no incentive to burn it - because he would have been unable to piss anyone off. He NEEDED the media's fearmongering to make his political point.