Is Obama a Closet Gun Nut?

[quade 4]

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A big change from the face he put on in Chicago.

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Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999:
Sweeping federal gun control legislation proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-13th) would increase the penalties on gun runners who are flooding Chicago's streets with illegal weapons.

So . . . legislation against already illegal weapons is bad? Gun running of illegal weapons is good?

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[JohnRich 4]

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I'm surprised you don't support Obama becoming more familiar and comfortable with firearms. I'd think this would be a celebratory post on your part.

Where did you get the idea from my post that I didn't?

[JohnRich 4]

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Remember when you were convinced he was going to grab all your guns? Yeah, that was equally silly.

Given his track record of voting against guns, it wasn't silly to believe that it would continue.
Just as it is not silly to believe that you will continue to argue here against conservatives.
But give him a lame duck session with nothing to lose, and let's see what true colors he shows.

[JohnRich 4]

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So do you like that or are you mad at him? I am lost. If he sees that guns are in fact a good thing to have in the hand of responsible citizens does that make you happy or sad?

It's a good thing that he familiarizes himself with firearms. I'm glad to see that. However, it remains to be seen whether he believes that this is a good thing for the citizenry in general, given his past voting record against guns. If he changes his ways, I'll be pleased. But I rather think that the tiger won't change his stripes, and that he'll just be a typical hypocrite politician about it - okay for him, but not for the rest of us. So, I'm hopeful, but wary.

Then again, he could have just made the whole story up to please the girl's shooting team, and it may not really be true...

Elsewhere, Michelle Obama says that being First Lady is "hell", after previously saying that it made her proud to be an American for the first time in her life. Go figure, those Obama's...

[JohnRich 4]

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I believe we have another member of this thread that's on record about his views on Obama working to confiscate guns. Quite a bit of a record actually, sort of a broken one playing the same phrase over and over.

Examples;
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=obama+guns&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=johnrich&sb=score&mh=100

Those stories in your search, above, DO reveal the very reason that we are suspicious about his motives regarding gun control, because he has quite a past record for attacking guns. And a man's record means something.

However, those items are NOT about confiscation. It's a shame you have to brand our cautions about Obama and guns to such a false extreme. If that's the only way you think you can win points here on this topic, then you've already lost. But I guess that's par for the course in this forum, to shove words into people's mouths that don't fit, and then label them an extremist for what they didn't say. Too bad such tactics are also used by you as a moderators, when you should be setting the example for ethical behavior.

Do a search. The fact is, I have made only one post, ever, using the words "Obama" coupled with either "confiscation" or "confiscate". And in that one post the "confiscate" was a quote from another source, and then just one topic of several. So you're blowing smoke here, and provably so. You should be more careful about researching the facts before you try and pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

Search: JohnRich + Obama + confiscation: No previous usage.
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=obama+confiscation&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=johnrich&sb=score&mh=25
Search: JohnRich + Obama + confiscate: One message, quoted from another source.
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=obama+confiscate&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=johnrich&sb=score&mh=25

The theory that you're promoting that I'm some kind of Chicken Little that has been running around screaming about how Obama is coming to confiscate our guns, falls flat on it's face. You should be embarrassed.

[JohnRich 4]

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So . . . legislation against already illegal weapons is bad?

If they're already illegal, why do you need more legislation? Will that make them more illegal than they were to start with?

Do criminals ignore one law that goes against them, but then if you pass a second law, they go; "Oh my gosh, those government guys are REALLY serious now! I guess I'll have to start obeying that second new law. Drat! My career in armed crime is finished!"

[billvon 2,993]

>If they're already illegal, why do you need more legislation?

For the same reason you need more legislation against, say, illegal immigration, Internet crime or terrorism, I suppose.

[Amazon 7]

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>If they're already illegal, why do you need more legislation?

For the same reason you need more legislation against, say, illegal immigration, Internet crime or terrorism, I suppose.

Dammit Bill you broke his "lucky" run

[JohnRich 4]

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>If they're already illegal, why do you need more legislation?

For the same reason you need more legislation against, say, illegal immigration...

I don't need more. I just need the already existing laws enforced.

[NewGuy2005 53]

I wonder if he holds pistols on their sides, with the ejection port facing up.

[JohnRich 4]

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I wonder if he holds pistols on their sides, with the ejection port facing up.

I think the secret service would correct him rather quickly on that.

[Kennedy 0]

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A big change from the face he put on in Chicago.

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Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999:
Sweeping federal gun control legislation proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-13th) would increase the penalties on gun runners who are flooding Chicago's streets with illegal weapons.

So . . . legislation against already illegal weapons is bad? Gun running of illegal weapons is good?

It depends on who you call a gun runner. If you mean "straw buyers" then you know from posts here I strongly support forceful prosecution of people who traffic firearms to criminals and who lie on Form 4473. If you mean gun shops who sell lots of guns,very few of which eventually end up in criminal hands, I disagree. Remember this was around the time when certain groups thought it was a good idea to sue gun shops and gun makers out of existence.

I quoted the article, and you managed to find one gun related sentence that isn't damning to your contension. Nothing to say about the rest of the article, or the part where he said he supported banning guns or making every shotgun and muzzleloader illegal?

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[rhaig 0]

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But give him a lame duck session with nothing to lose, and let's see what true colors he shows.

we'll never see his true colors. he's a puppet, and wouldn't do anything to harm the party.

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[JohnRich 4]

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we'll never see his true colors. he's a puppet, and wouldn't do anything to harm the party.

The funny thing is, he is DESTROYING any chance of liberals ever being in charge of anything again, for decades. They've had their big chance to do what they've been wanting for a long time, and all they've managed to accomplish with all their big talk is to spend the country into bankruptcy, for nothing. Liberals are finished. No one will trust them again, at any time in the near future.

[Coreece 190]

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we'll never see his true colors. he's a puppet, and wouldn't do anything to harm the party.

The funny thing is, he is DESTROYING any chance of liberals ever being in charge of anything again, for decades. They've had their big chance to do what they've been wanting for a long time, and all they've managed to accomplish with all their big talk is to spend the country into bankruptcy, for nothing. Liberals are finished. No one will trust them again, at any time in the near future.

Hey John, skrew it...we got early gun season here for about two weeks before bow season (cross bow nowfor all)...how bout we forget about all this TV political BS over some nice tender backstraps!

You got my location...look at all that beautiful territory.

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[JohnRich 4]

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Hey John, skrew it...we got early gun season here for about two weeks before bow season (cross bow nowfor all)...how bout we forget about all this TV political BS over some nice tender backstraps!
You got my location...look at all that beautiful territory.

Roger that!

As a matter of fact, I'll be heading up to Minnesota in about a week, to spend some time canoeing in the boundary water wilderness. I'm really looking forward to it. Just me and two good friends, a whole bunch of lakes and woods, some moose and bear, and a lot of fish.

[billvon 2,993]

>The funny thing is, he is DESTROYING any chance of liberals ever being in
>charge of anything again, for decades.

He would be indeed - if there were an alternative. Unfortunately, there isn't.

[rushmc 23]

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we'll never see his true colors. he's a puppet, and wouldn't do anything to harm the party.

The funny thing is, he is DESTROYING any chance of liberals ever being in charge of anything again, for decades. They've had their big chance to do what they've been wanting for a long time, and all they've managed to accomplish with all their big talk is to spend the country into bankruptcy, for nothing. Liberals are finished. No one will trust them again, at any time in the near future.

You know I have to agree with you points here but, I need to put it into the context of what Bush and the R's did when they had the chance. The pooch got nailed then too!

Had the Dems not gone crazy like they have in the last few month, the R's would be out of power for decades as well.

Now what have we got?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>The funny thing is, he is DESTROYING any chance of liberals ever being in
>charge of anything again, for decades.

He would be indeed - if there were an alternative. Unfortunately, there isn't.

True that

..unles one of the parties decides to change their stripes

Do you see that happening?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[NewGuy2005 53]

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>The funny thing is, he is DESTROYING any chance of liberals ever being in
>charge of anything again, for decades.

He would be indeed - if there were an alternative. Unfortunately, there isn't.

You got that right. What an opportunity for a real alternative to come forward, but where are they?

[wmw999 2,447]

What he said. As long as each party sees themselves as the only answer, their way or the highway, we're going to have this strong pendulum of congressional action that doesn't help anyone except for the polarized.

BTW -- if the voters were to start encouraging centrist candidates (and Sarah Palin is not a centrist) then the politicos might actually get the idea that they're supposed to work together. But as long as we keep electing people based on how vocal they are, and making fun of centrist republicans as RINOs, and centrist democrats as (wait --most people don't make fun of centrist democrats )
well -- you get the picture.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Kennedy 0]

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But as long as we keep electing people based on how vocal they are, and making fun of centrist republicans as RINOs, and centrist democrats as (wait --most people don't make fun of centrist democrats )

That's because any democrat not in lockstep with the party tends to get called things far more insulting than centrist. Zell Miller and some down home democrats come to mind. Traitor, DINO, bible thumping red neck, fascist - yeah, not exactly complimentary. Of course, them being past tense and all....

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[rushmc 23]

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What he said. As long as each party sees themselves as the only answer, their way or the highway, we're going to have this strong pendulum of congressional action that doesn't help anyone except for the polarized.

BTW -- if the voters were to start encouraging centrist candidates (and Sarah Palin is not a centrist) then the politicos might actually get the idea that they're supposed to work together. But as long as we keep electing people based on how vocal they are, and making fun of centrist republicans as RINOs, and centrist democrats as (wait --most people don't make fun of centrist democrats )
well -- you get the picture.

Wendy P.

Well, what = centrists to someone depends on where they start from

To me, your post is a great example of that

And of course, where I start from comes into play as well

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JohnRich 4]

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>The funny thing is, he is DESTROYING any chance of liberals ever being in
>charge of anything again, for decades.

He would be indeed - if there were an alternative. Unfortunately, there isn't.

Hence the rise of alternative parties, like Independents and the Tea Party. A lot of people want something different from the usual Dems and Repubs. We may be seeing the beginning of a sea change in American politics, where two parties will no longer be the rule.

[rushmc 23]

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>The funny thing is, he is DESTROYING any chance of liberals ever being in
>charge of anything again, for decades.

He would be indeed - if there were an alternative. Unfortunately, there isn't.

Hence the rise of alternative parties, like Independents and the Tea Party. A lot of people want something different from the usual Dems and Repubs. We may be seeing the beginning of a sea change in American politics, where two parties will no longer be the rule.

Or, both parties are brought back to what they once stood for

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln