JohnRich 4 #1 September 20, 2010 News:More Guns, Less Crime Violent crime decreased six percent between 2008 and 2009, according to the FBI. This included an eight percent decrease in murder and a nine percent decrease in robbery. Since 1991, when total violent crime peaked, it has decreased 43 percent to a 35-year low. The murder rate, less than half what it was in 1980, is now at a 45-year low. Throughout, the number of guns that Americans own has risen by about four million a year...Source: http://www.ammoland.com/2010/09/19/deja-vu-all-over-again-more-guns-less-crime/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prior23 0 #2 September 20, 2010 Correlation does not equal causation.B.A.S.E. #1734 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #3 September 20, 2010 More obese people too. Obviously guns make people fat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #4 September 20, 2010 QuoteMore obese people too. Obviously guns make people fat. Watch out! Christelsabine will be in here momentarily, attacking you for improper sentence structure.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 September 20, 2010 QuoteCorrelation does not equal causation. If the crime rates went up would you say the same?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 September 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteCorrelation does not equal causation. If the crime rates went up would you say the same? What are the stats compared to say; Japan?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 September 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteCorrelation does not equal causation. If the crime rates went up would you say the same? What are the stats compared to say; Japan? Dont care"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 September 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCorrelation does not equal causation. If the crime rates went up would you say the same? What are the stats compared to say; Japan? Dont care I see. So as long as a statistic seems to support your position, it's good, but if it doesn't (by quite a LARGE margin), then you don't care. Interesting.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 September 20, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Correlation does not equal causation. If the crime rates went up would you say the same? What are the stats compared to say; Japan? Dont care I see. So as long as a statistic seems to support your position, it's good, but if it doesn't (by quite a LARGE margin), then you don't care. Interesting. Back to reading minds again ??? Not what I meant If you really care to know, ask but your putting words in others mouths bull shit comes so easy for you now doesn't it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #10 September 20, 2010 Okay, I'm asking. Why don't you care? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 September 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCorrelation does not equal causation. If the crime rates went up would you say the same? What are the stats compared to say; Japan? Dont care I see. So as long as a statistic seems to support your position, it's good, but if it doesn't (by quite a LARGE margin), then you don't care. Interesting. If you really care to know, ask I did ask. You said; "Dont care."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 September 20, 2010 QuoteOkay, I'm asking. Why don't you care? Because it is irrelevant. It is not a gun issue (as far as the stats go) as it is a culture issue. Guns do not kill people which is of course the point of JR’s post. If guns killed people or ownership of said guns did the same, then the rates should be going up."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #13 September 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCorrelation does not equal causation. If the crime rates went up would you say the same? What are the stats compared to say; Japan? Dont care I see. So as long as a statistic seems to support your position, it's good, but if it doesn't (by quite a LARGE margin), then you don't care. Interesting. It will only be relevant when we have Japan's level and mode of policing?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #14 September 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteOkay, I'm asking. Why don't you care? Because it is irrelevant. It is not a gun issue (as far as the stats go) as it is a culture issue. Guns do not kill people which is of course the point of JR’s post. If guns killed people or ownership of said guns did the same, then the rates should be going up. Guns kill people just as much as my keyboard makes spelling and grammar mistakes.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #15 September 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCorrelation does not equal causation. If the crime rates went up would you say the same? What are the stats compared to say; Japan? Dont care I see. So as long as a statistic seems to support your position, it's good, but if it doesn't (by quite a LARGE margin), then you don't care. Interesting. If you really care to know, ask I did ask. You said; "Dont care." No, you did not ask anything You framed a bunch of bull shit to try and make some kind of point I didnt bite and you failed"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 September 20, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Okay, I'm asking. Why don't you care? Because it is irrelevant. It is not a gun issue (as far as the stats go) as it is a culture issue. Guns do not kill people which is of course the point of JR’s post. If guns killed people or ownership of said guns did the same, then the rates should be going up. Guns kill people just as much as my keyboard makes spelling and grammar mistakes. Oh if only grammar and spelling errors could ........ well never mind"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 September 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCorrelation does not equal causation. If the crime rates went up would you say the same? What are the stats compared to say; Japan? Dont care I see. So as long as a statistic seems to support your position, it's good, but if it doesn't (by quite a LARGE margin), then you don't care. Interesting. If you really care to know, ask I did ask. You said; "Dont care." No, you did not ask anything You framed a bunch of bull shit to try and make some kind of point I didnt bite and you failed So, in your mind, this sentence; "What are the stats compared to say; Japan?" isn't a question?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 September 20, 2010 I said I dont care to those stats You replied with the following instead of asking me why I dont care QuoteI see. So as long as a statistic seems to support your position, it's good, but if it doesn't (by quite a LARGE margin), then you don't care. Interesting. (which of course I did answer to DanG who specically asked with out the bs) So you tried to frame it in a context which met your world view I guess Please try and keep up You are a mod after all"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 September 20, 2010 QuotePlease try and keep up Keep up with you? Sorry pal, I don't drive down the highway in reverse.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 September 20, 2010 QuoteQuotePlease try and keep up Keep up with you? Sorry pal, I don't drive down the highway in reverse. You have got to be ON the highway to begin with to do that"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #21 September 20, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Please try and keep up Keep up with you? Sorry pal, I don't drive down the highway in reverse. You have got to be ON the highway to begin with to do that His green car won't go fast enough to be let onto the highway.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 September 20, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Please try and keep up Keep up with you? Sorry pal, I don't drive down the highway in reverse. You have got to be ON the highway to begin with to do that Well, it's good to know you're at least acknowledging the fact you're going to wrong way. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 September 20, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Please try and keep up Keep up with you? Sorry pal, I don't drive down the highway in reverse. You have got to be ON the highway to begin with to do that Well, it's good to know you're at least acknowledging the fact you're going to wrong way. Well, if I am on the WRONG highway going backwards, I guess we will soon meet up huh?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #24 September 20, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Correlation does not equal causation. If the crime rates went up would you say the same? What are the stats compared to say; Japan? Dont care I see. So as long as a statistic seems to support your position, it's good, but if it doesn't (by quite a LARGE margin), then you don't care. Interesting. If you really care to know, ask I did ask. You said; "Dont care." No, you did not ask anything You framed a bunch of bull shit to try and make some kind of point I didnt bite and you failed Do you really believe the crap you write? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 September 20, 2010 Come on, John. A one year variation has no significance. I'm sure one of the prior years showed a spike with the same annual gun sales. The number of guns in circulation is always increasing, since they're highly durable goods. Crime continues to cycle up and down, with the percentage of young men in the population being the most significant determinant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
