turtlespeed 220 #251 September 30, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote a simple one. you said it Yep - even you could have wrapped their mind around it. keep on digging that simple hole And you keep trying to stand on your insubstantial soap box.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #252 September 30, 2010 Quote Also, don't pretend the flotilla was just about getting aid to Gaza. They could have done that without ever confronting the blockade. They could have gone through Egypt or through Israel. Not necessarily. Israel considered considered things like macaroni and lentils to be a "luxury" and not necessities. Yet since the end of the war in January, according to non-government organisations, five truckloads of school notebooks were turned back at the crossing at Kerem Shalom where goods are subject to a $1,000 (£700) per truck "handling fee". Paper to print new textbooks for Palestinian schools was stopped, as were freezer appliances, generators and water pumps, cooking gas and chickpeas. And the French government was incensed when an entire water purification system was denied entry. Christopher Gunness, the spokesman for the UN agency UNRWA responsible for Palestinian refugees, said: "One of the big problems is that the 'banned list' is a moving target so we discover things are banned on a 'case by case', 'day by day' basis." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #253 September 30, 2010 Quote to my knowledge there is no such thing as a wpvt , or a wp shell variable timer shell fuse combination . fae , yes icm , yes , dual icm , yes , hevt , yes , , but wpvt, no , and it doesn't make much sense , quick is the fuse for wp , it then concentrates the thermal effects , spreading it out in an airburst would nearly neutralise , even completely neutralise the most efficient effects. Whether or not you think it makes sense, it happened, and it looks "efficient" to me. Google "white phosphorous gaza Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #254 September 30, 2010 Quote this is not binary. there is a lot between absolute truth and absolute false and that's were bias plays. and yes, the agenda of CNN, BBC and the others. the agenda of their field crews who are often local palestinians, the agenda of the editor who want to show an apealing story (and blood and sensation sell better) and the agenda of showing things in a simple, easy to grasp way that may fit in a 30 second segment but lacks any context and ignores the complexity of the situation There's considerable bias in our media, however it's not in favor of the Palestinians. CAMERA and AIPAC see to that. In our mainstream media we NEVER (might be too strong a word but I'm sticking with it) see the plight of the Gaza and West Bank residents. We do hear about, and occasionally see pictures of the rocket attacks. And when we do hear about an Israeli offensive it's usually because it's a pretty heavy handed operation. If the coverage of the entire conflict were to be thorough and unbiased I have a feeling that things would be different now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 150 #255 October 1, 2010 Thank you for the few pictures idrankwhat. Shocking. But apparently its all bullshit, sheepshit and Hamas inspired propaganda. It didn't actually happen don't you know. The Israeli government lobbyists have suddenly gone incredibly silent, after bombarding me with nonsense and abuse for my POV about how "moral" Israel and the IDF are. Justify that you bastards!!!. You make me sick!!.My computer beat me at chess, It was no match for me at kickboxing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #256 October 1, 2010 Your one warning. Cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 150 #257 October 1, 2010 QuoteYour one warning. Cut it out. Fuck you Billvon....ignore all the slagging directed at me. And its my second warning from you....so stick it up your arse. I prefer to ban myself. Up yours!!!. And the horse you rode into town on....My computer beat me at chess, It was no match for me at kickboxing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #258 October 1, 2010 that certainly looks like wp , i'm not certain the method of delivery , i would be nonplussed if it was artillery , maybe rockets , either way those images are horrendous ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #259 October 1, 2010 Quote Your one warning. Cut it out. this technique is getting old - you need to explain more and wind people up less. if you haven't the time find someone who has stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #260 October 1, 2010 i am reminded of the story of the sun and the wind looking down upon a weary traveller , and debating who could be more persuasive ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #261 October 1, 2010 QuoteYour one warning. Cut it out. I know that issues in this forum can stir up some deep emotions. Unfortunately for some, they don't realize that if you post an extremely valid point then follow it up with vitriolic noise that you'll get response to the noise and your point is lost. Best to leave the noise to the professionals like our modern news media and its living, breathing emoticons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #262 October 1, 2010 The people of Gaza have the ability to stop their extremists from firing weapons over the border. Had they done that, this wouldn't have happened.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #263 October 1, 2010 QuoteThe people of Gaza have the ability to stop their extremists from firing weapons over the border. Had they done that, this wouldn't have happened. "Rationalization is a defense mechanism that involves explaining an unacceptable behavior or feeling in a rational or logical manner, avoiding the true reasons for the behavior. For example, a person who is turned down for a date might rationalize the situation by saying they were not attracted to the other person anyway, or a student might blame a poor exam score on the instructor rather than his or her lack of preparation. Rationalization not only prevents anxiety, it may also protect self-esteem and self-concept. When confronted by success or failure, people tend to attribute achievement to their own qualities and skills while failures are blamed on other people or outside forces. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #264 October 1, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe people of Gaza have the ability to stop their extremists from firing weapons over the border. Had they done that, this wouldn't have happened. "Rationalization is a defense mechanism that involves explaining an unacceptable behavior or feeling in a rational or logical manner, avoiding the true reasons for the behavior. For example, a person who is turned down for a date might rationalize the situation by saying they were not attracted to the other person anyway, or a student might blame a poor exam score on the instructor rather than his or her lack of preparation. Rationalization not only prevents anxiety, it may also protect self-esteem and self-concept. When confronted by success or failure, people tend to attribute achievement to their own qualities and skills while failures are blamed on other people or outside forces. " Just because you are in denial of the truth does not mean that everyone else is rationalizing.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #265 October 1, 2010 Quote Just because you are in denial of the truth does not mean that everyone else is rationalizing. I'm not denying anything. You're rationalizing war crimes because of war crimes. Israel is collectively punishing a population (war crime) because it doesn't like the outcome of a democratic election. You're justifying the use of white phosphorous as a weapon (war crime) because militants in gaza launched some rockets into Israel (war crime). Do you similarly justify Israel's use of human shields because Hamas has used human shields? Both parties are war criminals which should be dealt with equally. That's my problem with the situation. We don't do that. It's sort of like waterboarding. We call it "enhanced interrogation" until someone does it to us. That's the epitome of hypocrisy and one of the reasons our defense budget is out of control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #266 October 1, 2010 QuoteQuote Just because you are in denial of the truth does not mean that everyone else is rationalizing. I'm not denying anything. You're rationalizing war crimes because of war crimes. Israel is collectively punishing a population (war crime) because it doesn't like the outcome of a democratic election. You're justifying the use of white phosphorous as a weapon (war crime) because militants in gaza launched some rockets into Israel (war crime). Do you similarly justify Israel's use of human shields because Hamas has used human shields? Both parties are war criminals which should be dealt with equally. That's my problem with the situation. We don't do that. It's sort of like waterboarding. We call it "enhanced interrogation" until someone does it to us. That's the epitome of hypocrisy and one of the reasons our defense budget is out of control. SO if Hamas is ALSO committing war crimes... where is YOUR bitching about that? I think poor little HMAS has plenty of backers who can do nothing but attack Israel for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they do.. but are completely and utterly silent about their buddies in HAMAS and the acts of war and war crimes they perpetrate on a daily basis. The solution is fairly simple.. but it is not something HAMAS is willing to do.. MAKE PEACE NOT WAR. Their solution is a follow on ... to The Final Solution... as their Mufti of Jerusalem did in WWII.. no difference. I have a bottom line in this conflict... IF HAMAS was to stop their attacks and decide to live in peace with Israel... would Israel continue to attack them??? Over and over and over... the Jews have tried to make peace, they have withdrawn from territories they have conquered and tried..EVERY time they have tried to live in peace.. they are attacked... so until the other side quits nutting up and attacking Israel.. ITS A WAR... and they have gotten pretty good at fighting their enemies..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #267 October 1, 2010 Hi Jeanne. I hope you're doing well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #268 October 1, 2010 Hi C , the sensible drink ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #269 October 1, 2010 Quote Hi Jeanne. I hope you're doing well. Just a tad bizzy... but I had to drop in.... Registering a new domain... getting the VIP's set up... setting up the Primary and Seconday DNS servers in several DC's in different regions for geo-redundancy... and on and on and on.... And so it goes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #271 October 1, 2010 That's NERD to you, buddy. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #272 October 1, 2010 Quote That's NERD to you, buddy. I believe it would be Miss Nerd.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #273 October 1, 2010 Quote Quote That's NERD to you, buddy. I believe it would be Miss Nerd. Ms. High Speed NerdMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #274 October 2, 2010 Quote Quote Quote That's NERD to you, buddy. I believe it would be Miss Nerd. Ms. High Speed Nerd ms. high speed low drag high tech low maint. nerd ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #275 October 2, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote That's NERD to you, buddy. I believe it would be Miss Nerd. Ms. High Speed Nerd ms. high speed low drag high tech low maint. nerd ! Do you need a tissue to wipe off your nose?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
