dreamdancer 0 #351 September 7, 2011 onward christian soldiers...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #352 September 7, 2011 Sorry... I'm not a Christian. Not a racist, nor homophobic... I prefer the Constitution, limited government and individual liberty. Sharia is the antithesis of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The "religion of America", is not Christianity. And then there's this... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4175469;page=unread#unread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #353 September 10, 2011 how not to win friends and influence people... QuoteSince the fall of Hosni Mubarak in February, calls have grown in Egypt for ending the historic 1979 peace treaty with Israel, a pact that has never had the support of ordinary Egyptians. Anger increased last month after Israeli forces responding to a cross-border militant attack mistakenly killed five Egyptian police officers near the border. Several large protests have taken place outside the embassy in recent months without serious incident. Friday's demonstration, however, quickly escalated with crowds pummeling the security wall with sledge hammers and tearing away large sections of the cement and metal barrier, which was recently put up to better protect the site from protests. For the second time in less than a month, protesters were able to get to the top of the building and pull down the Israeli flag. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/egyptian-protesters-break-into-israeli-embassy-in-cairo-obama-expresses-concern-to-netanyahu-1.383574stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #354 September 10, 2011 Quote how not to win friends and influence people... Quote Since the fall of Hosni Mubarak in February, calls have grown in Egypt for ending the historic 1979 peace treaty with Israel, a pact that has never had the support of ordinary Egyptians. Anger increased last month after Israeli forces responding to a cross-border militant attack mistakenly killed five Egyptian police officers near the border. Several large protests have taken place outside the embassy in recent months without serious incident. Friday's demonstration, however, quickly escalated with crowds pummeling the security wall with sledge hammers and tearing away large sections of the cement and metal barrier, which was recently put up to better protect the site from protests. For the second time in less than a month, protesters were able to get to the top of the building and pull down the Israeli flag. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/egyptian-protesters-break-into-israeli-embassy-in-cairo-obama-expresses-concern-to-netanyahu-1.383574 Nice to know you fully support a further lessening of what little progress was made towards peace back in 1979. You wear your hypocrisy very very well. It suits you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #355 September 10, 2011 just noting the signposts we pass as we work our way towards war...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #356 September 10, 2011 If Obama want to do something useful to stabilise the region (If thats what the US wants) then putting pressure on the Egyptian government for swift democratic reforms would be a good start. While the incident which killed five Egyptian police didn't help matters (Lets also remember it was following/during a terrorist attack on Israel and shit happens during a contact) the real fuel to the fire is the frustration and resentment in Egypt due to lack of reform following the revolution.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #357 September 12, 2011 latest... QuoteAmong the elements included in the package being negotiated are the following: a. The Palestinians will ask the UN General Assembly to upgrade their standing to something similar to that of the Vatican, which has permanent observer status at the international body. This will enable the Palestinians to be full members in a series of international organizations. b. A large block of the 27 member states of the EU will vote in favor of the resolution, but the resolution will include a clause stating that the vote does not require that each state recognize the Palestinian state on a bilateral level. This is a critical condition for gaining the support of Germany and Italy to the vote. It is assumed that if this is accepted, at least 20 of the 27-member block will vote in favor of the resolution. c. The Palestinians will commit to resuming negotiations with Israel immediately following the vote at the UN, without any preconditions. d. The wording of the resolution the Palestinians will bring before the General Assembly will be balanced and will combine elements of the speeches of U.S. President Barack Obama of May 19, 2011, and the conclusion of the EU's Foreign Affairs Council of December 2009. In other words, the negotiations will be held on the basis of the 1967 borders with an exchange of territory and a statement according to which the EU will be ready to recognize the Palestinian state "at an appropriate time." http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-intelligence-urges-return-to-peace-talks-with-palestinians-1.383931stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #358 September 13, 2011 You're talking to yourself. If you can't find someone to reply to, then it's likely you should either start a new thread, or not bother posting be aide no one gives a shit. Have you ever read about the history of Transjordan? Can you give a brief history of the area and how countries in that area are related? Have the Palestinians ever had a country? If yes, where? If not, why should they now? Do you think the Kurds should have their own country? If not, what makes them different? Which block of Palestinians will negotiate with Israel. They're not exactly a unified government across Gaza, west bank, and Golan. Do you suggest they be forced into one disconnected country? Should they get three countries? If Israel gives it up, shouldn't the land go back to it's previous owners instead of forming a new country.?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #359 September 13, 2011 israel will NEVER give up..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #360 September 13, 2011 israel doesn't have to give up - just accept that palestine also has the right to exist...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #361 September 13, 2011 QuoteIn what appeared to be a deliberate piece of timing designed to maximise the impact of his visit, Mr Erdogan's office yesterday released a previously unpublished transcript of a redacted interview he gave to Al Jazeera's Arabic language service last week. In it, Mr Erdogan claimed that Turkey would have been justified in going to war after Israeli commandos shot dead nine Turkish activists during the interception of an aid convoy seeking to breach Israel's blockade of Gaza in May last year. "The attack that took place in international waters did not comply with any international law," he said. "In fact, it was grounds for war. However, befitting Turkey's greatness, we decided to act with patience." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/8758672/Turkey-attempts-to-rally-diplomatic-alliance-against-Israel.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #362 September 13, 2011 Quoteisrael doesn't have to give up - just accept that palestine also has the right to exist... yea; that will never happen..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #363 September 13, 2011 You have no cogent arguments. Just one-liners and article reposts (and occasional mis-quotes). You're irrelevant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #364 September 13, 2011 hohum...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #365 September 13, 2011 Quotehohum... Well, that was brilliant. I challenge you to cogently reply to each and every issue-inquiry in Kennedy's post to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #366 September 13, 2011 and i challenge you to toddle along to another thread to troll... (meanwhile we wait to see how events in egypt unfold - will israel lose another key ally)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #367 September 13, 2011 Quoteisrael doesn't have to give up - just accept that palestine also has the right to exist... ........ And Palestine can reciprocate as well. Problem solved! Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #368 September 13, 2011 Erdogan is either mistaken or a liar. The blockade was legal, and thus enforcing it is legal. Can you respond to my post, or are you only capable of one liners, article posts, and misquotes? Or, more likely, are you irrelevant like Andy said?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #369 September 13, 2011 Never give up, never surrender!witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #370 September 13, 2011 your post had nine separate biased questions so obviously i'm not going to get bogged down in your contribution to the thread. why not put up the bits of history that you feel relevant so we can all learn? do you think egypt will follow turkey's lead to isolate israel? will israel sink the turkish warship sent with its next aid mission? will israel bomb iran? all juicy stuff stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #371 September 13, 2011 Quote your post had nine separate biased questions so obviously i'm not going to get bogged down in your contribution to the thread. why not put up the bits of history that you feel relevant so we can all learn? do you think egypt will follow turkey's lead to isolate israel? will israel sink the turkish warship sent with its next aid mission? will israel bomb iran? all juicy stuff God forbid anyone engage in dialogue in speakers corner -- what a compromise of one's ego that would be. And instead of attempting to strengthen the ideas you post by confronting challenging questions, why not just dodge and redirect with loaded questions that suit your view. Very par for the course here. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #372 September 13, 2011 Quote your post had nine separate biased questions so obviously i'm not going to get bogged down in your contribution to the thread. why not put up the bits of history that you feel relevant so we can all learn? "Difficult for you to answer" does not equal "biased". If you don't know or can't answer without exposing your ideas for fear of critical debate, just say so. Quote do you think egypt will follow turkey's lead to isolate israel? will israel sink the turkish warship sent with its next aid mission? will israel bomb iran? all juicy stuff Egypt doesn't know what it's doing and neither do I. I hope for strong democratic reform with a rational and restrained leader, a la South Africa. I'm not going to hold my breath for either. If it comes down to facing down a warship, I think Israel will let the ship approach it's national territorial waters. Then Turkey has to either break off escort or commit an act of war by entering those waters without invitation. As for Iran, someone is going to bomb them or otherwise attack them. Do you think Iran should have nuclear weapons? Do you think there are innocent reasons for building a reactor that can produce weapons as opposed to one that cannot? And why go nuclear when they are sitting on all that fossil fuel?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #373 September 13, 2011 Quote your post had nine separate biased questions so obviously i'm not going to get bogged down in your contribution to the thread. why not put up the bits of history that you feel relevant so we can all learn? do you think egypt will follow turkey's lead to isolate israel? will israel sink the turkish warship sent with its next aid mission? will israel bomb iran? all juicy stuff So you still have no cogent arguments to make. Just blather and evasion. Yeah, we get it: you're irrelevant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #374 September 13, 2011 the troll squeaks...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #375 September 13, 2011 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/13/us-un-gaza-rights-idUSTRE78C59R20110913 Quote(Reuters) - Israel's naval blockade of the Gaza Strip violates international law, a panel of human rights experts reporting to a U.N. body said on Tuesday, disputing a conclusion reached by a separate U.N. probe into Israel's raid on a Gaza-bound aid ship. The so-called Palmer Report on the Israeli raid of May 2010 that killed nine Turkish activists said earlier this month that Israel had used unreasonable force in last year's raid, but its naval blockade of the Hamas-ruled strip was legal. A panel of five independent U.N. rights experts reporting to the U.N. Human Rights Council rejected that conclusion, saying the blockade had subjected Gazans to collective punishment in "flagrant contravention of international human rights and humanitarian law." The four-year blockade deprived 1.6 million Palestinians living in the enclave of fundamental rights, they said. "In pronouncing itself on the legality of the naval blockade, the Palmer Report does not recognize the naval blockade as an integral part of Israel's closure policy toward Gaza which has a disproportionate impact on the human rights of civilians," they said in a joint statement. An earlier fact-finding mission named by the same U.N. forum to investigate the flotilla incident also found in a report last September that the blockade violated international law. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) says the blockade violates the Geneva Conventions. Israel says its Gaza blockade is a precaution against arms reaching Hamas and other Palestinian guerrillas by sea. The four-man panel headed by former New Zealand Prime Minister Geoffrey Palmer found Israel had used unreasonable force in dealing with what it called "organized and violent resistance from a group of passengers." Turkey has downgraded ties with Israel over the incident. Richard Falk, U.N. special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories and one of the five experts who issued Tuesday's statement, said the Palmer report's conclusions were influenced by a desire to salve Turkish-Israeli ties. "The Palmer report was aimed at political reconciliation between Israel and Turkey. It is unfortunate that in the report politics should trump the law," he said in the statement. About one-third of Gaza's arable land and 85 percent of its fishing waters are totally or partially inaccessible due to Israeli military measures, said Olivier De Schutter, U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food, another of the five. At least two-thirds of Gazan households lack secure access to food, he said. "People are forced to make unacceptable trade-offs, often having to choose between food or medicine or water for their families." The other three experts were the U.N. special rapporteurs on physical and mental health; extreme poverty and human rights; and access to water and sanitation. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
