chuckakers 425 #26 October 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe Arabs think they're being progressive when they don't flog women in public. And most Americans probably have an objection to parents hitting their kids in public. As long as it is contained to in the house or school (as allowed by the supreme court) they don't have a problem with it though. Why are you claiming the moral high ground on this issue? Are women more valuable than children? I'll take that high moral ground on that one. There's a difference between spanking and beating. We discipline without physical injury. They mame with intent. They're freaks.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #27 October 20, 2010 >There's a difference between spanking and beating. We discipline >without physical injury. Right. ========== Two-Year-Old Beaten to Death in NYC, Mother May Face Charges (WCBS) NEW YORK (CBS/WCBS) A New York woman whose 2-year-old son was found unresponsive and covered in bruises Friday after she left him in the care of her live-in boyfriend may face murder charges for continually beating the boy with a belt, according to a report. ========== United States Advisory Board on Child Abuse and Neglect, 1995: 2000 children beaten to death in the US every year. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/car.224/pdf Got a beam in your eye? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #28 October 20, 2010 Quote >There's a difference between spanking and beating. We discipline >without physical injury. Right. ========== Two-Year-Old Beaten to Death in NYC, Mother May Face Charges (WCBS) NEW YORK (CBS/WCBS) A New York woman whose 2-year-old son was found unresponsive and covered in bruises Friday after she left him in the care of her live-in boyfriend may face murder charges for continually beating the boy with a belt, according to a report. ========== United States Advisory Board on Child Abuse and Neglect, 1995: 2000 children beaten to death in the US every year. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/car.224/pdf Got a beam in your eye? In case you haven't noticed, the OP's post was about how the UAE said it's ok to beat the wife and kids. Looks from the story you posted that it isn't tolerate here. Nice try, though.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #29 October 20, 2010 >In case you haven't noticed, the OP's post was about how the UAE said it's >ok to beat the wife and kids. And you apparently didn't notice that in many places in the US, it's OK to beat your kids as well - and that thousands of americans a year do, sadly, beat their children to death. Nice try with all the semantic wiggling, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #30 October 21, 2010 Quote>In case you haven't noticed, the OP's post was about how the UAE said it's >ok to beat the wife and kids. And you apparently didn't notice that in many places in the US, it's OK to beat your kids as well - and that thousands of americans a year do, sadly, beat their children to death. Nice try with all the semantic wiggling, though. Callin' BS on that one. There is no place in the U.S. where it is legal ("ok", as you put it) to beat your kid, unless you consider a spanking a beating, that is. No where in this country is a parent allowed to inflict physical injury to a child. No where. Semantic wiggling? Gimme a break. But I do like the way you try to redirect what the OP was pointing out - the fact that the UAE is essentially sanctioning beatings by formally and legally allowing it. It never ceases to amaze me how no matter what sick things other countries allow their people to do to each other, the flippin' libs here always try to make it sound like we're even worse. Fact: a person that causes injury to a spouse or child in this country faces criminal charges and jail time. Fact: In the UAE, it's allowed by law.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #31 October 21, 2010 >There is no place in the U.S. where it is legal ("ok", as you put it) to beat > your kid, unless you consider a spanking a beating, that is. A recent Minnesota court case vindicated a man who beat his child 36 times with a wooden stick. Children can be spanked, whipped, slapped or smacked with belts, whips, sticks or paddles. If you want to play semantic games and claim that's not beating, then play away. You better be really good at wiggling, though, because that's basically what the OP said about the standard for beating Islamic children (i.e. no marks left.) >the flippin' libs here always try to make it sound like we're even worse. And the more xenophobic conservatives cannot see any fault in their own country - but can see nothing but fault in others. We have problems here with child abuse; 2000 US kids a year are beaten to death here. Claiming that "We discipline without physical injury" or "we don't beat children" is provably wrong. Other countries have problems with child abuse as well. In China, far more children are beaten to death, on the order of ten to twenty million a year. I am sure that in Islamic countries it is a problem as well - although I have seen no statistics for Muslim countries when it comes to children dying due to abuse. Want to make a difference in child abuse? You can start by solving the problem in your own backyard, rather than closing your eyes and blaming other cultures for the same problems we have. Just want to bitch and attack Muslims? Go for it; that's what this forum is for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #32 October 21, 2010 Quote>There is no place in the U.S. where it is legal ("ok", as you put it) to beat > your kid, unless you consider a spanking a beating, that is. A recent Minnesota court case vindicated a man who beat his child 36 times with a wooden stick. Children can be spanked, whipped, slapped or smacked with belts, whips, sticks or paddles. Minnesota - that's rich! In case you haven't noticed, Minnesota is a liberal haven. Doubt you'll find anything like that in Texas, Arizona, or other conservative-rich states. And just to keep the record straight, please provide a link to your source. I'd love to see the evidence of the liberal policies of which you speak!Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #33 October 21, 2010 >Doubt you'll find anything like that in Texas, Arizona, or other >conservative-rich states. Per the OP's original post, a Muslim parent can't leave marks on the child in the UAE. In Texas apparently it's OK to beat them hard enough to leave marks. From a Texas appellate court: =============== “[I]nfrequent spankings of a child that leave ‘marks’ or visible bruises 24 hours after the spanking do not constitute sufficient evidence to demonstrate that a parent has engaged in conduct that endangered a child’s physical or emotional well-being.” ============= So if a kid is going to misbehave, sounds like he's better off in the UAE. Also, both Texas and Arizona allow schools to administer corporal punishment. California and Minnesota does not. Which makes sense; corporal punishment has long been favored by conservative Christians as a method of disciplining children. From Family Violence in the United States by Denise Hines: " . . . parents who believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God and provides answers to all human problems used corporal punishment more frequently than parents with less conservative theological views. (Ellison, Bartowski and Siegel, 1998.)" Which is understandable. The Bible is pretty clear on this: "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him." >And just to keep the record straight, please provide a link http://www.corpun.com/usd00805.htm >I'd love to see the evidence of the liberal policies of which you speak! Your rapid switch from "it doesn't exist" to "maybe it exists but it must be a liberal policy" is pretty funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #34 October 21, 2010 Quote >Per the OP's original post, a Muslim parent can't leave marks on the child in the UAE. In Texas apparently it's OK to beat them hard enough to leave marks. From a Texas appellate court: =============== “[I]nfrequent spankings of a child that leave ‘marks’ or visible bruises 24 hours after the spanking do not constitute sufficient evidence to demonstrate that a parent has engaged in conduct that endangered a child’s physical or emotional well-being.” ============= Sounds good to me.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #35 October 21, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Well, at least they're aboveboard about it. Story on Chicken Noodle News Yeah here its just the dirty little secret... of "you gotta pop her in the mouth to keep her in line" crew.I think that is sanctioned in the Bible for good Jews and Christians men. I don't remember Jesus saying anything about beating anyone (New Testament, not Old, once again). Edit to add: This also represents state sanctioning of abuse. What about the separation of mosque and state? Oh yeah, I forgot - the mosque IS the state out here. mh . Love it or leave it. Your posts are like a whinging childs'.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #36 October 21, 2010 Quote Quote In Los Angeles, a man is legally entitled to beat his wife with a leather belt or strap, but the belt can't be wider than 2 inches, unless he has his wife's consent to beat her with a wider strap. Oh yeah? Well, in Kingsville, Texas there is a law against two pigs having sex on the city's airport property. Top that. LMAO... How many pigs would it have taken before they had to pass a law against it Damn, that must have been a quite news dayWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #37 October 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe Arabs think they're being progressive when they don't flog women in public. And most Americans probably have an objection to parents hitting their kids in public. As long as it is contained to in the house or school (as allowed by the supreme court) they don't have a problem with it though. Why are you claiming the moral high ground on this issue? Are women more valuable than children? I'll take that high moral ground on that one. There's a difference between spanking and beating. We discipline without physical injury. They mame with intent. They're freaks. How objective of you. Clearly a master piece of critical thinking.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #38 October 21, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote The Arabs think they're being progressive when they don't flog women in public. And most Americans probably have an objection to parents hitting their kids in public. As long as it is contained to in the house or school (as allowed by the supreme court) they don't have a problem with it though. Why are you claiming the moral high ground on this issue? Are women more valuable than children? I'll take that high moral ground on that one. There's a difference between spanking and beating. We discipline without physical injury. They mame with intent. They're freaks. How objective of you. Clearly a master piece of critical thinking. Thanks for noticing.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #39 October 21, 2010 QuoteAnd the more xenophobic conservatives cannot see any fault in their own country - but can see nothing but fault in others. And how is that relevant unless you are accusing one ofus to be a Xenophobic Conservative? Conservatives see plenty of fault here. So do liberals. I'd like to see where 2000 kids are beaten to death by their parents/year. Because I've been watching cnn and msnbc for 5 years now and the latest crisis among many is the "Bullying Epidemic". Apparantly the mod's have an updated google.com because I can't find a source for 2000 kids beat to death by their parents/year in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #40 October 21, 2010 QuoteI'll take that high moral ground on that one. There's a difference between spanking and beating. We discipline without physical injury. They mame with intent. They're freaks. Obviously you didn't read the link in the OP. Don't let facts get in the way of your hatred. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #41 October 21, 2010 QuoteA recent Minnesota court case vindicated a man who beat his child 36 times with a wooden stick I'll clarify: in 2008 the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that spanking a child is legal and does not constitute abuse. The ruling stated that "We are unwilling to establish a bright-line rule that the infliction of any pain constitutes either physical injury or physical abuse, because to do so would effectively prohibit all corporal punishment of children by their parents" and "it is clear to us that the Legislature did not intend to ban corporal punishment". The case involved a man who had spanked his 12-year-old son 36 times with a maple paddle and who was declared innocent by the Minnesota Supreme Court. from wiki Opinon THe opinion also states there were no marks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #42 October 21, 2010 Quote Quote I'll take that high moral ground on that one. There's a difference between spanking and beating. We discipline without physical injury. They mame with intent. They're freaks. Obviously you didn't read the link in the OP. Don't let facts get in the way of your hatred. Canada. Ooooooh Canada.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #43 October 21, 2010 Quote Obviously you didn't read the link in the OP. Don't let facts get in the way of your hatred. Just needed to be said again and again, and again and again and again and again maybe someday it will sink in. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #44 October 21, 2010 >THe opinion also states there were no marks. Correct. The appellate court that claimed that marks were OK was in Texas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,441 #45 October 21, 2010 Well, actually the court decision made it clear that physical injury (i.e. leaving a mark) was illegal. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #46 October 21, 2010 maybe they're the religion of piece ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #47 October 21, 2010 Quote Well, actually the court decision made it clear that physical injury (i.e. leaving a mark) was illegal. Wendy P. Big difference between a court decision and enforcement. From the same courts that brought the world this http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/crime/british-kissing-couple-loses-jail-appeal-in-dubai-1.607664 As I said before, they're freaks. Hope Craig and Eliana enjoy their new home. No PDA, guys!Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #48 October 21, 2010 >maybe they're the religion of piece ! Well, if the UAE is any indication - they protect their children better than Texans do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #49 October 22, 2010 >Correct. The appellate court that claimed that marks were OK was in Texas not following, did you you take that from the Opinion I posted or something else? I acknowledge that the Opinion states that there were no marks vsible on the actual photograph presented as evidence.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Low-Mao 0 #50 October 22, 2010 Quote>I don't remember Jesus saying anything about beating anyone >(New Testament, not Old, once again). ============= Matthew 10: 34-36 - Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and one's enemies will be those of his household. ============= Matthew 10:21 - And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. ============= Luke 12:47-48: That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. =========== What do you know about the Lord? Will you answer? aka...coreece. sorry, couldn't wait 2 more days...ban me again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
