skyrider 0 #126 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhat does, “the pursuit of happiness” mean? Because that alone, kills your argument... Really? How? Please show me some documentation to back up your claims. Do you have some sort of statistics that show people are frequently happier after one of their children dies from lack of healthcare? I mean, I haven't done research on it, but from a lifetime of experience and, well, seeing a LOT of people die in general, I'm fairly certain few people are more happy when their relatives die. So people that have shitty healthcare will be happier when their child dies, for lack of doctors that were willing to spend years learning to be the best doctor, in hopes of making top pay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #127 October 26, 2010 Reading is fundamental. Did you ever play that game as a kid, Hot and Cold? Cause you are, COLD... GETTING COLDER... SUPER COLD... LIKE WICKED COLD. Happiness has two meanings: it means to be happy and jolly, but it has another meaning, as well. To get warmer... think... Benjamin Franklin. Do you know what I am talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #128 October 26, 2010 They are lost on you dude...Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #129 October 26, 2010 Sure, because everyone will have the same shitty healthcare-that's progress, comradeYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #130 October 26, 2010 maybe we should ask someone who read it , or even wrote it...http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/patty-murray-obamacare-not-only-did-i-read-it-i-helped-write-it_511272.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #131 October 26, 2010 QuoteHappiness has two meanings: it means to be happy and jolly, but it has another meaning, as well. To get warmer... think... Benjamin Franklin. Do you know what I am talking about? Let's see, Franklin, Franklin . . . hmmm . . . wasn't he the guy that wrote; Quote Happiness consists more in the small conveniences of pleasures that occur every day, than in great pieces of good fortune that happen but seldom to a man in the course of his life. Source; http://thinkexist.com/quotation/happiness_consists_more_in_the_small_conveniences/146052.html Yeah, that's exactly what he wrote. So, I think by most people's definitions, it's pretty close to what most people would consider to be "happiness." Not necessarily winning the lottery, but rather just being able to the "little" things like continuing to be able to enjoy your wife and children (and in his case slave mistress). Very few of those sorts of things can be enjoyed or bring a person happiness if either you or they are dead from lack of healthcare. So . . . what the heck are YOU talking about?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #132 October 26, 2010 Nice quote... wise man... but ah, you are still, VERY COLD! BTW... from the, other thread: Would you agree...? Without Benjamin Franklin... the Gadsden Flag would not have a Rattlesnake on it. Agree or Disagree? Again... simple question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #133 October 26, 2010 QuoteWithout Benjamin Franklin... the Gadsden Flag would not have a Rattlesnake on it. Agree or Disagree? Quote And Franklin's woodcut of the snake divided, what precisely did YOU think that meant? That we should have red states and blue states each looking out for their own best individual interests or that they should all come together and work collectively for the good of the whole? Here's a hint, the words under it are "Join or Die." The Gadsden flag isn't simply "Don't Tread On Me" as an individual statement, one of greed against power, but rather a UNITED States. Not some whack job "Tea Party", but the whole thing. All inclusive.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #134 October 26, 2010 Quote Please inform us, if Social Security and Medicare are excluded, exactly how the Tea party expects to cut spending and taxes and balance the budget..... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #135 October 26, 2010 QuoteSure, because everyone will have the same shitty healthcare-that's progress, comrade Must be why Europeans have lower life expectancies and higher infant mortality. Oh, wait....... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #136 October 26, 2010 I'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #137 October 26, 2010 QuoteI'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness. Where in the Constitution does it say anything about "pursuit of happiness"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #138 October 26, 2010 QuoteI'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness. I believe I addressed that when I said it was in the Declaration of Independence which is essentially just a FU to King George. -I- wasn't the person placing all that much importance on it. While the Declaration is an important document, it's not the Constitution. Of course, most people should have learned that before graduating high-school.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skipbelt 0 #139 October 26, 2010 trick question , nevertheless happiness is not a right ! pursuit of happiness is ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #140 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuote Please inform us, if Social Security and Medicare are excluded, exactly how the Tea party expects to cut spending and taxes and balance the budget.. As stated, again, in the Vote for Worse President thread: “And as I have said before, I am for neither party or any party. I am a Constitutional Conservative. I stand with Lincoln and Fredrick Douglas... who criticized the constitution... before he read it. After he read it... he called it an Anti-slavery document.” I’m not a Tea Party member... and I have never said Social Security and Medicare were excluded. I'm not worried about getting re-elected, so I will speak my mind. But we’ll get to that later... We need to cover some basics first... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #141 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness. Where in the Constitution does it say anything about "pursuit of happiness"? pedant...-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #142 October 26, 2010 QuoteI believe I addressed that when I said it was in the Declaration of Independence which is essentially just a FU to King George. And you are so very wrong... the "just" part. Quote-I- wasn't the person placing all that much importance on it. While the Declaration is an important document, it's not the Constitution. Of course, most people should have learned that before graduating high-school. The DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Right... the same place we learn about Manifest Destiny... remember, from the Worst President thread: “You're right, we did fuck over the, Native Americans. My high school taught me all about Manifest Destiny, though they didn't talk about Andrew Jackson, nor explain how it is a perversion of Devine Providence. Remember that line the Founders wrote... "With a firm reliance on Devine Providence, we mutual pledge our lives, our fortunes and our SACRED HONOR." Had we followed our Founders, things would be different. It was when they started dying off that things really began to go bad... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skipbelt 0 #143 October 26, 2010 ahh , the root word for pedantic ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #144 October 26, 2010 Quote Quote health care is not a right , health is not a right , care is not a right . life , liberty , and the pursuit of happiness are. Generally speaking, without healthcare, people don't live very long. And this will give liberals another chance to finally prove that theory of evolution is not just a theory..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #145 October 26, 2010 QuoteThe DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Not by a LONG shot. Nothing in the Declaration is legally binding in any way, shape or form. The US Constitution defines the Federal goverment, its responsibilities, how it's supposed to work. No other document in the entire history of the country is anything but a small fraction as important. The United States of America doesn't even exist without it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #146 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteWithout Benjamin Franklin... the Gadsden Flag would not have a Rattlesnake on it. Agree or Disagree? Quote And Franklin's woodcut of the snake divided, what precisely did YOU think that meant? That we should have red states and blue states each looking out for their own best individual interests or that they should all come together and work collectively for the good of the whole? Here's a hint, the words under it are "Join or Die." The Gadsden flag isn't simply "Don't Tread On Me" as an individual statement, one of greed against power, but rather a UNITED States. Not some whack job "Tea Party", but the whole thing. All inclusive. I love your arrogance! Seriously... I love it! I’m not debating the meaning of the first usage of the rattlesnake... you said: “It DISGUSTS ME, that the Tea Party has co-opted the Gadsden Flag. He had NOTHING to do with their cause.” Really? That’s interesting... well, lets start here: Benjamin Franklin is famous for his sense of humor. In 1751, he wrote a satirical commentary in his Pennsylvania Gazette suggesting that as a way to thank the Brits for their policy of sending convicted felons to America, American colonists should send rattlesnakes to England. Three years later, in 1754, he used a snake to illustrate another point. This time not so humorous. Franklin sketched, carved, and published the first known political cartoon in an American newspaper. It was the image of a snake cut into eight sections. ***** By 1775, the snake symbol wasn't just being printed in newspapers. It was appearing all over the colonies: on uniform buttons, on paper money, and of course, on banners and flags. The snake symbol morphed quite a bit during its rapid, widespread adoption. It wasn't cut up into pieces anymore. And it was usually shown as an American timber rattlesnake, not a generic serpent. We don't know for certain where, when, or by whom the familiar coiled rattlesnake was first used with the warning "Don't Tread on Me." We do know when it first entered the history books. (http://www.gadsden.info) So... could you do the math for me? How many years, AFTER, his Join or Die, did the flag come about? If it were not for Franklin... there would be no flag. At least, no rattlesnake... You say, “their cause.” But, you don’t seem to have an accurate understanding of the message nor the core principles of the Tea Party. See, from what I know… that message and those core principles are right in line with what Franklin stood for, what he spoke of, and what he fought for in the Constitutional Convention, which brought about that Constitution. So truthfully... their usage of the flag... is anything but disgusting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #147 October 26, 2010 Quote Quote The DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Not by a LONG shot. Nothing in the Declaration is legally binding in any way, shape or form. The US Constitution defines the Federal goverment, its responsibilities, how it's supposed to work. No other document in the entire history of the country is anything but a small fraction as important. The United States of America doesn't even exist without it. OK FDR! Would you like your second bill of rights now too? Oh wait... the American people rejected it! And on that note... I'm going to bed. I'll give you the night to see if you can figure out the other meaning of, happiness. spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skipbelt 0 #148 October 26, 2010 the constitution depends completely on the DOI ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #149 October 26, 2010 Quote the constitution depends completely on the DOI ! No. It doesn't. The Declaration was a rather hastily put together document with no legal basis other than saying "FU King George. We don't accept that God gave you the right to be in charge of us." Of course, I'm paraphrasing. THAT is why the Declaration has references to God in it. Because that is where King George supposedly got his authority to rule from. That's almost always the case with kings so they HAD to address the whole "God given authority" thing. Contrast that with the enormous care and deliberation the US Constitution went through as well as the total and complete lack of reference to God. The founders knew that once you attach God to government, somebody somewhere would lay claim to authority from God instead of "The People" where it belongs. No. The two documents are not linked other than via a time line that one came before the other. We broke up with and sent a "Dear George" letter to King George, then got on with the business of creating a document that would actually establish the real and legal framework of what makes up the government . . . and it starts with "We The People . . ."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #150 October 26, 2010 Wow! That is downright painful to read... Quade... bro. Seriously, and I mean this with the utmost respect. You need to take the rattlesnake down. Seriously, or turn it upside down, for now... If it weren’t for the Progressive Era... I seriously would have thought you made that up. Dude... you are gonna eat those words once I start posting... Do you truly believe all that...? QuoteThe Declaration was a rather hastily put together document If you think I am bluffing on the pursuit of happiness... I’m not. And there is another huge part of it, that destroys your, hastily, argument... Franklin would agree... for he made a very important edit to that document. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
kallend 2,026 #134 October 26, 2010 Quote Please inform us, if Social Security and Medicare are excluded, exactly how the Tea party expects to cut spending and taxes and balance the budget..... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #135 October 26, 2010 QuoteSure, because everyone will have the same shitty healthcare-that's progress, comrade Must be why Europeans have lower life expectancies and higher infant mortality. Oh, wait....... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #136 October 26, 2010 I'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #137 October 26, 2010 QuoteI'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness. Where in the Constitution does it say anything about "pursuit of happiness"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #138 October 26, 2010 QuoteI'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness. I believe I addressed that when I said it was in the Declaration of Independence which is essentially just a FU to King George. -I- wasn't the person placing all that much importance on it. While the Declaration is an important document, it's not the Constitution. Of course, most people should have learned that before graduating high-school.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skipbelt 0 #139 October 26, 2010 trick question , nevertheless happiness is not a right ! pursuit of happiness is ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #140 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuote Please inform us, if Social Security and Medicare are excluded, exactly how the Tea party expects to cut spending and taxes and balance the budget.. As stated, again, in the Vote for Worse President thread: “And as I have said before, I am for neither party or any party. I am a Constitutional Conservative. I stand with Lincoln and Fredrick Douglas... who criticized the constitution... before he read it. After he read it... he called it an Anti-slavery document.” I’m not a Tea Party member... and I have never said Social Security and Medicare were excluded. I'm not worried about getting re-elected, so I will speak my mind. But we’ll get to that later... We need to cover some basics first... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #141 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness. Where in the Constitution does it say anything about "pursuit of happiness"? pedant...-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #142 October 26, 2010 QuoteI believe I addressed that when I said it was in the Declaration of Independence which is essentially just a FU to King George. And you are so very wrong... the "just" part. Quote-I- wasn't the person placing all that much importance on it. While the Declaration is an important document, it's not the Constitution. Of course, most people should have learned that before graduating high-school. The DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Right... the same place we learn about Manifest Destiny... remember, from the Worst President thread: “You're right, we did fuck over the, Native Americans. My high school taught me all about Manifest Destiny, though they didn't talk about Andrew Jackson, nor explain how it is a perversion of Devine Providence. Remember that line the Founders wrote... "With a firm reliance on Devine Providence, we mutual pledge our lives, our fortunes and our SACRED HONOR." Had we followed our Founders, things would be different. It was when they started dying off that things really began to go bad... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skipbelt 0 #143 October 26, 2010 ahh , the root word for pedantic ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #144 October 26, 2010 Quote Quote health care is not a right , health is not a right , care is not a right . life , liberty , and the pursuit of happiness are. Generally speaking, without healthcare, people don't live very long. And this will give liberals another chance to finally prove that theory of evolution is not just a theory..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #145 October 26, 2010 QuoteThe DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Not by a LONG shot. Nothing in the Declaration is legally binding in any way, shape or form. The US Constitution defines the Federal goverment, its responsibilities, how it's supposed to work. No other document in the entire history of the country is anything but a small fraction as important. The United States of America doesn't even exist without it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #146 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteWithout Benjamin Franklin... the Gadsden Flag would not have a Rattlesnake on it. Agree or Disagree? Quote And Franklin's woodcut of the snake divided, what precisely did YOU think that meant? That we should have red states and blue states each looking out for their own best individual interests or that they should all come together and work collectively for the good of the whole? Here's a hint, the words under it are "Join or Die." The Gadsden flag isn't simply "Don't Tread On Me" as an individual statement, one of greed against power, but rather a UNITED States. Not some whack job "Tea Party", but the whole thing. All inclusive. I love your arrogance! Seriously... I love it! I’m not debating the meaning of the first usage of the rattlesnake... you said: “It DISGUSTS ME, that the Tea Party has co-opted the Gadsden Flag. He had NOTHING to do with their cause.” Really? That’s interesting... well, lets start here: Benjamin Franklin is famous for his sense of humor. In 1751, he wrote a satirical commentary in his Pennsylvania Gazette suggesting that as a way to thank the Brits for their policy of sending convicted felons to America, American colonists should send rattlesnakes to England. Three years later, in 1754, he used a snake to illustrate another point. This time not so humorous. Franklin sketched, carved, and published the first known political cartoon in an American newspaper. It was the image of a snake cut into eight sections. ***** By 1775, the snake symbol wasn't just being printed in newspapers. It was appearing all over the colonies: on uniform buttons, on paper money, and of course, on banners and flags. The snake symbol morphed quite a bit during its rapid, widespread adoption. It wasn't cut up into pieces anymore. And it was usually shown as an American timber rattlesnake, not a generic serpent. We don't know for certain where, when, or by whom the familiar coiled rattlesnake was first used with the warning "Don't Tread on Me." We do know when it first entered the history books. (http://www.gadsden.info) So... could you do the math for me? How many years, AFTER, his Join or Die, did the flag come about? If it were not for Franklin... there would be no flag. At least, no rattlesnake... You say, “their cause.” But, you don’t seem to have an accurate understanding of the message nor the core principles of the Tea Party. See, from what I know… that message and those core principles are right in line with what Franklin stood for, what he spoke of, and what he fought for in the Constitutional Convention, which brought about that Constitution. So truthfully... their usage of the flag... is anything but disgusting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #147 October 26, 2010 Quote Quote The DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Not by a LONG shot. Nothing in the Declaration is legally binding in any way, shape or form. The US Constitution defines the Federal goverment, its responsibilities, how it's supposed to work. No other document in the entire history of the country is anything but a small fraction as important. The United States of America doesn't even exist without it. OK FDR! Would you like your second bill of rights now too? Oh wait... the American people rejected it! And on that note... I'm going to bed. I'll give you the night to see if you can figure out the other meaning of, happiness. spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skipbelt 0 #148 October 26, 2010 the constitution depends completely on the DOI ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #149 October 26, 2010 Quote the constitution depends completely on the DOI ! No. It doesn't. The Declaration was a rather hastily put together document with no legal basis other than saying "FU King George. We don't accept that God gave you the right to be in charge of us." Of course, I'm paraphrasing. THAT is why the Declaration has references to God in it. Because that is where King George supposedly got his authority to rule from. That's almost always the case with kings so they HAD to address the whole "God given authority" thing. Contrast that with the enormous care and deliberation the US Constitution went through as well as the total and complete lack of reference to God. The founders knew that once you attach God to government, somebody somewhere would lay claim to authority from God instead of "The People" where it belongs. No. The two documents are not linked other than via a time line that one came before the other. We broke up with and sent a "Dear George" letter to King George, then got on with the business of creating a document that would actually establish the real and legal framework of what makes up the government . . . and it starts with "We The People . . ."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #150 October 26, 2010 Wow! That is downright painful to read... Quade... bro. Seriously, and I mean this with the utmost respect. You need to take the rattlesnake down. Seriously, or turn it upside down, for now... If it weren’t for the Progressive Era... I seriously would have thought you made that up. Dude... you are gonna eat those words once I start posting... Do you truly believe all that...? QuoteThe Declaration was a rather hastily put together document If you think I am bluffing on the pursuit of happiness... I’m not. And there is another huge part of it, that destroys your, hastily, argument... Franklin would agree... for he made a very important edit to that document. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
kallend 2,026 #135 October 26, 2010 QuoteSure, because everyone will have the same shitty healthcare-that's progress, comrade Must be why Europeans have lower life expectancies and higher infant mortality. Oh, wait....... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #136 October 26, 2010 I'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #137 October 26, 2010 QuoteI'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness. Where in the Constitution does it say anything about "pursuit of happiness"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #138 October 26, 2010 QuoteI'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness. I believe I addressed that when I said it was in the Declaration of Independence which is essentially just a FU to King George. -I- wasn't the person placing all that much importance on it. While the Declaration is an important document, it's not the Constitution. Of course, most people should have learned that before graduating high-school.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #139 October 26, 2010 trick question , nevertheless happiness is not a right ! pursuit of happiness is ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #140 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuote Please inform us, if Social Security and Medicare are excluded, exactly how the Tea party expects to cut spending and taxes and balance the budget.. As stated, again, in the Vote for Worse President thread: “And as I have said before, I am for neither party or any party. I am a Constitutional Conservative. I stand with Lincoln and Fredrick Douglas... who criticized the constitution... before he read it. After he read it... he called it an Anti-slavery document.” I’m not a Tea Party member... and I have never said Social Security and Medicare were excluded. I'm not worried about getting re-elected, so I will speak my mind. But we’ll get to that later... We need to cover some basics first... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #141 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness. Where in the Constitution does it say anything about "pursuit of happiness"? pedant...-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #142 October 26, 2010 QuoteI believe I addressed that when I said it was in the Declaration of Independence which is essentially just a FU to King George. And you are so very wrong... the "just" part. Quote-I- wasn't the person placing all that much importance on it. While the Declaration is an important document, it's not the Constitution. Of course, most people should have learned that before graduating high-school. The DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Right... the same place we learn about Manifest Destiny... remember, from the Worst President thread: “You're right, we did fuck over the, Native Americans. My high school taught me all about Manifest Destiny, though they didn't talk about Andrew Jackson, nor explain how it is a perversion of Devine Providence. Remember that line the Founders wrote... "With a firm reliance on Devine Providence, we mutual pledge our lives, our fortunes and our SACRED HONOR." Had we followed our Founders, things would be different. It was when they started dying off that things really began to go bad... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #141 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'd like to point out that the words are "pursuit of happiness". Not just "happiness". Happiness is not a right. You are not constitutionally entitled to happiness. Where in the Constitution does it say anything about "pursuit of happiness"? pedant...-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #142 October 26, 2010 QuoteI believe I addressed that when I said it was in the Declaration of Independence which is essentially just a FU to King George. And you are so very wrong... the "just" part. Quote-I- wasn't the person placing all that much importance on it. While the Declaration is an important document, it's not the Constitution. Of course, most people should have learned that before graduating high-school. The DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Right... the same place we learn about Manifest Destiny... remember, from the Worst President thread: “You're right, we did fuck over the, Native Americans. My high school taught me all about Manifest Destiny, though they didn't talk about Andrew Jackson, nor explain how it is a perversion of Devine Providence. Remember that line the Founders wrote... "With a firm reliance on Devine Providence, we mutual pledge our lives, our fortunes and our SACRED HONOR." Had we followed our Founders, things would be different. It was when they started dying off that things really began to go bad... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #143 October 26, 2010 ahh , the root word for pedantic ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #144 October 26, 2010 Quote Quote health care is not a right , health is not a right , care is not a right . life , liberty , and the pursuit of happiness are. Generally speaking, without healthcare, people don't live very long. And this will give liberals another chance to finally prove that theory of evolution is not just a theory..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #145 October 26, 2010 QuoteThe DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Not by a LONG shot. Nothing in the Declaration is legally binding in any way, shape or form. The US Constitution defines the Federal goverment, its responsibilities, how it's supposed to work. No other document in the entire history of the country is anything but a small fraction as important. The United States of America doesn't even exist without it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #146 October 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteWithout Benjamin Franklin... the Gadsden Flag would not have a Rattlesnake on it. Agree or Disagree? Quote And Franklin's woodcut of the snake divided, what precisely did YOU think that meant? That we should have red states and blue states each looking out for their own best individual interests or that they should all come together and work collectively for the good of the whole? Here's a hint, the words under it are "Join or Die." The Gadsden flag isn't simply "Don't Tread On Me" as an individual statement, one of greed against power, but rather a UNITED States. Not some whack job "Tea Party", but the whole thing. All inclusive. I love your arrogance! Seriously... I love it! I’m not debating the meaning of the first usage of the rattlesnake... you said: “It DISGUSTS ME, that the Tea Party has co-opted the Gadsden Flag. He had NOTHING to do with their cause.” Really? That’s interesting... well, lets start here: Benjamin Franklin is famous for his sense of humor. In 1751, he wrote a satirical commentary in his Pennsylvania Gazette suggesting that as a way to thank the Brits for their policy of sending convicted felons to America, American colonists should send rattlesnakes to England. Three years later, in 1754, he used a snake to illustrate another point. This time not so humorous. Franklin sketched, carved, and published the first known political cartoon in an American newspaper. It was the image of a snake cut into eight sections. ***** By 1775, the snake symbol wasn't just being printed in newspapers. It was appearing all over the colonies: on uniform buttons, on paper money, and of course, on banners and flags. The snake symbol morphed quite a bit during its rapid, widespread adoption. It wasn't cut up into pieces anymore. And it was usually shown as an American timber rattlesnake, not a generic serpent. We don't know for certain where, when, or by whom the familiar coiled rattlesnake was first used with the warning "Don't Tread on Me." We do know when it first entered the history books. (http://www.gadsden.info) So... could you do the math for me? How many years, AFTER, his Join or Die, did the flag come about? If it were not for Franklin... there would be no flag. At least, no rattlesnake... You say, “their cause.” But, you don’t seem to have an accurate understanding of the message nor the core principles of the Tea Party. See, from what I know… that message and those core principles are right in line with what Franklin stood for, what he spoke of, and what he fought for in the Constitutional Convention, which brought about that Constitution. So truthfully... their usage of the flag... is anything but disgusting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #147 October 26, 2010 Quote Quote The DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Not by a LONG shot. Nothing in the Declaration is legally binding in any way, shape or form. The US Constitution defines the Federal goverment, its responsibilities, how it's supposed to work. No other document in the entire history of the country is anything but a small fraction as important. The United States of America doesn't even exist without it. OK FDR! Would you like your second bill of rights now too? Oh wait... the American people rejected it! And on that note... I'm going to bed. I'll give you the night to see if you can figure out the other meaning of, happiness. spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skipbelt 0 #148 October 26, 2010 the constitution depends completely on the DOI ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #149 October 26, 2010 Quote the constitution depends completely on the DOI ! No. It doesn't. The Declaration was a rather hastily put together document with no legal basis other than saying "FU King George. We don't accept that God gave you the right to be in charge of us." Of course, I'm paraphrasing. THAT is why the Declaration has references to God in it. Because that is where King George supposedly got his authority to rule from. That's almost always the case with kings so they HAD to address the whole "God given authority" thing. Contrast that with the enormous care and deliberation the US Constitution went through as well as the total and complete lack of reference to God. The founders knew that once you attach God to government, somebody somewhere would lay claim to authority from God instead of "The People" where it belongs. No. The two documents are not linked other than via a time line that one came before the other. We broke up with and sent a "Dear George" letter to King George, then got on with the business of creating a document that would actually establish the real and legal framework of what makes up the government . . . and it starts with "We The People . . ."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #150 October 26, 2010 Wow! That is downright painful to read... Quade... bro. Seriously, and I mean this with the utmost respect. You need to take the rattlesnake down. Seriously, or turn it upside down, for now... If it weren’t for the Progressive Era... I seriously would have thought you made that up. Dude... you are gonna eat those words once I start posting... Do you truly believe all that...? QuoteThe Declaration was a rather hastily put together document If you think I am bluffing on the pursuit of happiness... I’m not. 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dmcoco84 5 #147 October 26, 2010 Quote Quote The DOI is our nations mission statement... the Constitution is the Skeletal structure. They are equally important! Not by a LONG shot. Nothing in the Declaration is legally binding in any way, shape or form. The US Constitution defines the Federal goverment, its responsibilities, how it's supposed to work. No other document in the entire history of the country is anything but a small fraction as important. The United States of America doesn't even exist without it. OK FDR! Would you like your second bill of rights now too? Oh wait... the American people rejected it! And on that note... I'm going to bed. I'll give you the night to see if you can figure out the other meaning of, happiness. spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #148 October 26, 2010 the constitution depends completely on the DOI ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #149 October 26, 2010 Quote the constitution depends completely on the DOI ! No. It doesn't. The Declaration was a rather hastily put together document with no legal basis other than saying "FU King George. We don't accept that God gave you the right to be in charge of us." Of course, I'm paraphrasing. THAT is why the Declaration has references to God in it. Because that is where King George supposedly got his authority to rule from. That's almost always the case with kings so they HAD to address the whole "God given authority" thing. Contrast that with the enormous care and deliberation the US Constitution went through as well as the total and complete lack of reference to God. The founders knew that once you attach God to government, somebody somewhere would lay claim to authority from God instead of "The People" where it belongs. No. The two documents are not linked other than via a time line that one came before the other. We broke up with and sent a "Dear George" letter to King George, then got on with the business of creating a document that would actually establish the real and legal framework of what makes up the government . . . and it starts with "We The People . . ."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #150 October 26, 2010 Wow! That is downright painful to read... Quade... bro. Seriously, and I mean this with the utmost respect. You need to take the rattlesnake down. Seriously, or turn it upside down, for now... If it weren’t for the Progressive Era... I seriously would have thought you made that up. Dude... you are gonna eat those words once I start posting... Do you truly believe all that...? QuoteThe Declaration was a rather hastily put together document If you think I am bluffing on the pursuit of happiness... I’m not. And there is another huge part of it, that destroys your, hastily, argument... Franklin would agree... for he made a very important edit to that document. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
