billvon 2,998 #76 October 29, 2010 >Obama and his czars. OK. Obama makes about $400K. He has 39 'czars' (up from Bush's 32.) Let's say each of them makes $240K. You have just saved $9.7 million, or .0008% of the deficit. Now, is there anyone with a serious proposal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #77 October 29, 2010 Quote>Obama and his czars. OK. Obama makes about $400K. He has 39 'czars' (up from Bush's 32.) Let's say each of them makes $240K. You have just saved $9.7 million, or .0008% of the deficit. Now, is there anyone with a serious proposal? Bill, you know perfectly well that NONE of them have serious proposals that would make any significant dent in the deficit. All they have are sound bites.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #78 October 29, 2010 Quote>Obama and his czars. OK. Obama makes about $400K. He has 39 'czars' (up from Bush's 32.) Let's say each of them makes $240K. You have just saved $9.7 million, or .0008% of the deficit. Now, is there anyone with a serious proposal? That is only ONE of many.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #79 October 29, 2010 >That is only ONE of many. OK. What is a significant one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #80 October 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteBottom line is 30-40 million people (most likely alot more) make less and have to work 12 months. So what's that got to do with the price of tea in China? So tens of millions get paid less than teachers: they ain't teachers. Millions get paid a lot more than teachers: they ain't teachers either. Why should teachers get paid according to the value of jobs other people do? I am just saying they get great benifits, work only 9 months and get an above average salary and in the currant economy they should be happy and do the job well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #81 October 29, 2010 since we are talking about fed gov jobs we should look up fed gov jobs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #82 October 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteBottom line is 30-40 million people (most likely alot more) make less and have to work 12 months. So what's that got to do with the price of tea in China? So tens of millions get paid less than teachers: they ain't teachers. Millions get paid a lot more than teachers: they ain't teachers either. Why should teachers get paid according to the value of jobs other people do? I am just saying they get great benifits, work only 9 months and get an above average salary and in the currant economy they should be happy and do the job well And they only get paid for 9 months**, so what are you beefing about? ** If school teachers are paid like university faculty, the 9 months salary is spread over 12 monthly payments, meaning that they are paid 3 months in arrears for the last month in the school year that they work.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #83 October 29, 2010 I guess you are not looking at the big picture, the entitlement benifits would end and that would save billions in the near future and reducing pay to private sector levels would save billions now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #84 October 29, 2010 QuoteQuotethe average government employee gets between 60-100k more a year in pay and benifits The actual average government employee pay scale: http://www.payscale.com/research/US/People_Employed_by_the_Government/Salary Far from a "full list" , those are the "grunts" of government employees! Nice try though... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #85 October 29, 2010 This thread was started to mock liberals who want to cut spending. To 'prove' this conservatives have listed how they would cut spending: Cut $9 million in cosmetic surgery (which has already been cut) Change government retirement programs to private programs (would cost us $28 billion) End the president's travel budget (about $10 million in military spending) Fire the president and his advisers ($9.7 million) By my calculations, if we implemented all these, our spending would increase by approximately $28 billion. I don't think we can afford conservative's "spending cuts." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #86 October 29, 2010 Quote>Obama and his czars. OK. Obama makes about $400K. He has 39 'czars' (up from Bush's 32.) Let's say each of them makes $240K. You have just saved $9.7 million, or .0008% of the deficit. Now, is there anyone with a serious proposal? So we ignore that part of the pork, because it is too small? (gawd we NEED that eye roll gif) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #87 October 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBottom line is 30-40 million people (most likely alot more) make less and have to work 12 months. So what's that got to do with the price of tea in China? So tens of millions get paid less than teachers: they ain't teachers. Millions get paid a lot more than teachers: they ain't teachers either. Why should teachers get paid according to the value of jobs other people do? I am just saying they get great benifits, work only 9 months and get an above average salary and in the currant economy they should be happy and do the job well And they only get paid for 9 months**, so what are you beefing about? ** If school teachers are paid like university faculty, the 9 months salary is spread over 12 monthly payments, meaning that they are paid 3 months in arrears for the last month in the school year that they work. but they still only worked 9 months leaving more time to work part time in summer school programs or temp work wich would bring the pay up more but either way they are still payed very well compared to millins in the work force Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #88 October 29, 2010 *** Most federal workers are compensated under the General Schedule (GS), which contains 15 pay grades that define how much civilian white-collar and service workers earn. In addition, they also receive locality pay, to make the jobs more competitive for certain local markets. GS 1, the lowest level, pays from $17,540 to $21,944 per year, as of March 2009. GS 8, a mid-range level, receives $37,075 to $48,199. The highest G 15 level gets $98,156 to $127,604. The average annual earnings for a full-time employee is $74,403. Jobs Salaries also differ by specific job title. Some examples include police at $52,085, border patrol agents at $59,594 and correctional officers at $53,459. For medical specialties, some positions include medical technologists at $64,774, nursing assistants at $34,728 and nurses at $77,166. Finally, some professional employees include general attorneys at $128,422, architects at $94,056 and economists at $108,010. These are average salaries provided by the BLS as of March 2009. Experience The PayScale Report states that salaries in the government can vary by experience. As of October 2010, new employees earned a median salary of $44,917. Those with one to four years of work experience earned $48,231, while those with five to nine years of experience received $58,610. Finally, those with 10 to 19 years of experience made $70,956, while those with 20 or more years of experience got $86,013. Read more: The Average Salary of Federal Workers | eHow.co.uk http://www.ehow.co.uk/about_7350946_average-salary-federal-workers.html#ixzz13ma0W6Uy... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #89 October 29, 2010 >I guess you are not looking at the big picture, the entitlement benifits >would end . . . What benefits, specifically, would you cut? Don't just use a conservative catch phrase you don't understand like "cut entitlement benifits" - what SPECIFICALLY would you cut? You listed ending FERS - as I explained, that would actually cost more. Do you have any other programs you would end? >and reducing pay to private sector levels would save billions now. Average pay for government employees is lower than average pay for private sector people doing the same job. So once again, your proposal would increase spending. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #90 October 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBottom line is 30-40 million people (most likely alot more) make less and have to work 12 months. So what's that got to do with the price of tea in China? So tens of millions get paid less than teachers: they ain't teachers. Millions get paid a lot more than teachers: they ain't teachers either. Why should teachers get paid according to the value of jobs other people do? I am just saying they get great benifits, work only 9 months and get an above average salary and in the currant economy they should be happy and do the job well And they only get paid for 9 months**, so what are you beefing about? ** If school teachers are paid like university faculty, the 9 months salary is spread over 12 monthly payments, meaning that they are paid 3 months in arrears for the last month in the school year that they work. but they still only worked 9 months leaving more time to work part time in summer school programs or temp work wich would bring the pay up more but either way they are still payed very well compared to millins in the work force How is that ANY different from an hourly paid worker getting overtime pay for extra hours worked? I would actually hope that the people who educate my children WOULD get paid well - my kids' futures depend on them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #91 October 29, 2010 QuoteThis thread was started to mock liberals who want to cut spending. To 'prove' this conservatives have listed how they would cut spending: Cut $9 million in cosmetic surgery (which has already been cut) Change government retirement programs to private programs (would cost us $28 billion) End the president's travel budget (about $10 million in military spending) Fire the president and his advisers ($9.7 million) By my calculations, if we implemented all these, our spending would increase by approximately $28 billion. I don't think we can afford conservative's "spending cuts." costing 28b is a farce and you know it, putting gov employees on social security and making them pay in would only save money. and it would be huge Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #92 October 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteThis thread was started to mock liberals who want to cut spending. To 'prove' this conservatives have listed how they would cut spending: Cut $9 million in cosmetic surgery (which has already been cut) Change government retirement programs to private programs (would cost us $28 billion) End the president's travel budget (about $10 million in military spending) Fire the president and his advisers ($9.7 million) By my calculations, if we implemented all these, our spending would increase by approximately $28 billion. I don't think we can afford conservative's "spending cuts." costing 28b is a farce and you know it, putting gov employees on social security and making them pay in would only save money. and it would be huge Numbers please. How much?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #93 October 29, 2010 Quotesince we are talking about fed gov jobs we should look up fed gov jobs Done. http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html According to the scale, above 60k does not come in until grade 11, step 7. From the page: Note: The following is a BASE pay scale. All U.S. locations (including Hawaii and Alaska) receive additional pay adjustments above the base pay ranging from 14.16% to 35.15% The few people whom I know who do work for the Feds do not make anywhere near 60k, being they are in low level jobs."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #94 October 29, 2010 QuoteQuote>Look at it this way. Veteran's benefits are entitlement programs. Look it up; it's in the US budget. If you find yourself having to redefine words to make your point, your point may not be all that strong to begin with. So what would you cut? Obama and his czars.Are you proposing to abolish the executive branch altogether, and have no-one as leader of the country? I assume you really mean give Obama the boot and replace him with someone more to your liking, in which case that person would still be entitled to the presidential salary, and I'm sure would appoint a cabinet and advisers to provide him with expertise and advise. So in fact your brilliant proposal would at best save virtually nothing, and might cost more depending on the advisers and the salary they negotiate. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #95 October 29, 2010 QuoteQuotesince we are talking about fed gov jobs we should look up fed gov jobs Done. http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html According to the scale, above 60k does not come in until grade 11, step 7. From the page: Note: The following is a BASE pay scale. All U.S. locations (including Hawaii and Alaska) receive additional pay adjustments above the base pay ranging from 14.16% to 35.15% The few people whom I know who do work for the Feds do not make anywhere near 60k, being they are in low level jobs. the 60k was pay and benifits costs compared to private sector pay and benifits cost Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #96 October 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBottom line is 30-40 million people (most likely alot more) make less and have to work 12 months. So what's that got to do with the price of tea in China? So tens of millions get paid less than teachers: they ain't teachers. Millions get paid a lot more than teachers: they ain't teachers either. Why should teachers get paid according to the value of jobs other people do? I am just saying they get great benifits, work only 9 months and get an above average salary and in the currant economy they should be happy and do the job well And they only get paid for 9 months**, so what are you beefing about? ** If school teachers are paid like university faculty, the 9 months salary is spread over 12 monthly payments, meaning that they are paid 3 months in arrears for the last month in the school year that they work. but they still only worked 9 months leaving more time to work part time in summer school programs or temp work wich would bring the pay up more but either way they are still payed very well compared to millins in the work force How is that ANY different from an hourly paid worker getting overtime pay for extra hours worked? I would actually hope that the people who educate my children WOULD get paid well - my kids' futures depend on them. I wish the lazy worthless teachers that I have delt with over the past 4 years would just do a good job and then maybe they would be worth what they are getting paid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #97 October 29, 2010 Quote>I guess you are not looking at the big picture, the entitlement benifits >would end . . . What benefits, specifically, would you cut? Don't just use a conservative catch phrase you don't understand like "cut entitlement benifits" - what SPECIFICALLY would you cut? You listed ending FERS - as I explained, that would actually cost more. Do you have any other programs you would end? >and reducing pay to private sector levels would save billions now. Average pay for government employees is lower than average pay for private sector people doing the same job. So once again, your proposal would increase spending. this would say you are wronghttp://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm and several more sorces can be added if needed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #98 October 29, 2010 >costing 28b is a farce and you know it $98 billion income $70 billion payouts Result: $28 billion in income. That's not a farce; that's basic math. >putting gov employees on social security and making them pay in would >only save money. and it would be huge Government employees ARE on Social Security, and have been since 1984. >and it would be huge It might indeed be - but not in the direction you think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #99 October 29, 2010 Quote>costing 28b is a farce and you know it $98 billion income $70 billion payouts Result: $28 billion in income. That's not a farce; that's basic math. >putting gov employees on social security and making them pay in would >only save money. and it would be huge Government employees ARE on Social Security, and have been since 1984. >and it would be huge It might indeed be - but not in the direction you think.did you read the article? reb's want to freeze fed emp pay for 2011 and that would save over 2 billion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #100 October 29, 2010 QuoteQuotesince we are talking about fed gov jobs we should look up fed gov jobs Done. http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html According to the scale, above 60k does not come in until grade 11, step 7. From the page: Note: The following is a BASE pay scale. All U.S. locations (including Hawaii and Alaska) receive additional pay adjustments above the base pay ranging from 14.16% to 35.15% The few people whom I know who do work for the Feds do not make anywhere near 60k, being they are in low level jobs.you and bilvon seem to not have good infohttp://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
