Nanothermite paper, if you think it is bull shit then show us your evidence

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You really do like that strawman look don't you.

Not a strawman argument since it directly attacks the basis of your proposed evidence.

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even though I cannot spell perfectly, and it more to do with my bad typing skills than spelling but anyhow...

Spelling is a very good indicator of education and knowledge.

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Nobody can show evidence of this composition existing any place, any time or any how before or after 9/11.

We can and we have. I have already told you to grab some dirt and get it tested. Most likely it contains at least a trace of similar material and almost certainly contains all the elements.
Bill has given you a link to where the stuff is manufactured commercially.

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IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE FACT THAT NANO THERMITE EXISTS, AND IT EXISTS IN THE DEBRIS OF 9/11, AND THIS PROVES EXPLOSIVES WERE USED

Does it exist in the debris? The only evidence of that is from you paper which, by the way, fails to stand up to accepted standards of practice for aquisition and handling of samples. Your paper also does nothing to prove it actually IS a commercially made thermite product intended for use as an explosive.

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Ignoring facts is ignorence in it's purest form

Yes, and we need only your threads & posts to remind us of that.

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Rhys how could several buildings full of people have been rigged to collapse via use of explosives without anyone noticing? It would have taken a hell of a lot of det cord and would have been unmissble.

If the nano thermite was sprayed on the joists under the pretense of re-fireproofing.
Det cord wouldn't be necessary if this nano thermite is indeed able to be detonated by flame or laser.

DLJ

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So how thick would the coating on the supporting coloumns have to be to be able to burn through them? a lot thicker than fireproofing I'd have thought.

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In the case of adults, when they espouse something as stupid as, say, Scientology or Islam, I write it - and them - off. Anyone dumb enough to buy such tripe in the first place is a waste of time.

I take it you feel the same way about Judaism and Christianity.

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So how thick would the coating on the supporting coloumns have to be to be able to burn through them? a lot thicker than fireproofing I'd have thought.

How hot would a fire have to be to burn through them?

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Thats only one part of the equation, assuming that a fire was hot enough to melt the support structure how long would it have to burn for in order to do so?

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Thats only one part of the equation, assuming that a fire was hot enough to melt the support structure how long would it have to burn for in order to do so?

Apparently only about one hour.

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...and then what? Nano/super Thermite is a cutting agent not a explosive. When used in demolition explosives have to be used after the cutting agent has done its job to move the support structure and vring down the building. So back to my original point, how come no one noticed all the det cord and explosives?

This theory about the use of NanoThemite to bring doen the WTC buildings doesn't stand up to even the most slightest of scrutiny.

Its an unfunny joke.

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...and then what? Nano/super Thermite is a cutting agent not a explosive. When used in demolition explosives have to be used after the cutting agent has done its job to move the support structure and vring down the building. So back to my original point, how come no one noticed all the det cord and explosives?

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So you need det cord to trigger explosives?
Tell that to the Taliban.

Also let's not forget the effects of gravity.

The official story is that the trusses weakened and gravity did the rest.
It could be that nano thermite was used to compromise the trusses and gravity did the rest.

I'm not saying that is what happened.
I'm just saying that could have happened.

I think there are enough problems with the official story that a real investigation into what really happened should be conducted.

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I think there are enough problems with the official story

Such as what?

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Fuck all this, I'd rather focus on the Birth Certificate...

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although, I give this therory, just as much credence .....

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I think there are enough problems with the official story

Such as what?

Barbara Olsen's phone calls to her husband for one.

The forensic identifications of each of the passengers and crew members at the pentagon and Shanksville is another.

The fire proof passport found amid all the rubble and debris.

There are alot of things that just don't seem riight.

I guess the main reason I believe there should be a new, real investigation is that the majority of the 911 commision members doubt the veracity of their own commisions' report.

DLJ

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>Barbara Olsen's phone calls to her husband for one.

Why is that a "problem?"

>The fire proof passport found amid all the rubble and debris.

Again, why is that a "problem?" Often paper charts are found intact after fiery general aviation crashes.

>The forensic identifications of each of the passengers and crew members
>at the pentagon and Shanksville is another.

And what is the "problem" there?

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>Barbara Olsen's phone calls to her husband for one.

Why is that a "problem?"

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One problem with the calls is that Solicitor General ,Ted Olsen, said his wife called collect.
In an emergency why call collect when it takes a credit card swipe to activate the airphone?

>The fire proof passport found amid all the rubble and debris.

Again, why is that a "problem?" Often paper charts are found intact after fiery general aviation crashes.

I don't know how much demolition experience you have.
I have quite a bit albeit on much smaller projects than demolition of skyscraper sized buildings.
My experience is that even on a very small project the amount of dust generated is immense. The dust easily can obscure any passport size object from view.
I also know how much paper is generated in my own small office.

Considering the number of offices in the twinn towers and the amount of paper that must have been contained there in, the fire that the passport must have survived,and the dust and debris , I find it amazing that the passport of one of the alleged hijackers was found amist the rubble.
Were the black boxes found from the same flight?

>The forensic identifications of each of the passengers and crew members
>at the pentagon and Shanksville is another.

And what is the "problem" there?

As the planes themselves were supposedly near "vaporized" by the impact ,the collection of human debris of each and every passenger/flight crew member seems highly unlikely and yet each was supposedly identified by a military forensics team.

DLJ

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-Maybe she didn't have a credit card handy. It is quite possible she had placed her purse in an overhead compartment and could not get to it readily.

-In any major disaster you will find things that seem to defy logic. I was helping clean up after a tornado several years ago when we found a litter of kittens safe and sound in the corner of what used to be a barn. While everything around them foe several hundred feet was destroyed-including several hogs and cattle-the kittens were unharmed. No shocking revelation that a passport was found intact.

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-Maybe she didn't have a credit card handy. It is quite possible she had placed her purse in an overhead compartment and could not get to it readily.

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Again, to actvate the airphone a credit card had to be swiped. You can't reach an operator until the credit card is swiped. Why waste time with calling collect if you've already activated the phoner?

-In any major disaster you will find things that seem to defy logic. I was helping clean up after a tornado several years ago when we found a litter of kittens safe and sound in the corner of what used to be a barn. While everything around them foe several hundred feet was destroyed-including several hogs and cattle-the kittens were unharmed. No shocking revelation that a passport was found intact.

I'm just saying that there are enough questions that I believe a thorough and open investigation should be conducted.

I do have a question for you.

Do you believe in the veracity of the 911 commisions conclusions ?
Eventhough the majority of the 911 commissioners don't???

OK, that was two questions . Feel free to answer just one of them.


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>One problem with the calls is that Solicitor General ,Ted Olsen, said his
>wife called collect.

Well, he didn't hear her or anyone from the phone company said she called collect. That's what someone else in his office told him before they routed the call to him.

Why did they get it wrong? Who knows? Perhaps because she was calling from an unusual number, and "calling not from her own phone" became "calling collect" by the time the call got to him. Or because the person calling collect was on line 2. Or because they were a little stressed out because terrorists had just flown airplanes into the WTC.

>I don't know how much demolition experience you have.

None. I don't know how much experience with airplane crashes you have; unfortunately I have a little. Even in incidents where the aircraft is destroyed by fire, things like headsets and maps are often found unscathed, generally because they were ejected from the aircraft during the impact. (In one case, sadly, still attached to the pilot.)

>As the planes themselves were supposedly near "vaporized" by the
>impact . . . .

I don't think they were "near vaporized." I think the plane was just driven into the ground and reduced to a lot of very small pieces. A great many of those pieces were recovered without being vaporized (including the flight recorders.)

>the collection of human debris of each and every passenger/flight crew
>member seems highly unlikely and yet each was supposedly identified by
>a military forensics team.

Given that you can now identify people from fingerprints, dental records, skeletal remains and even DNA that doesn't surprise me much. One of the more grisly remains was found by Coroner Wally Miller who said the "only recognizable body part . . was a piece of spinal cord with five vertebrae attached." Per the coroner's report, many of the remains needed to be IDed via DNA matching.

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>One problem with the calls is that Solicitor General ,Ted Olsen, said his
>wife called collect.

Well, he didn't hear her or anyone from the phone company said she called collect. That's what someone else in his office told him before they routed the call to him.

Why did they get it wrong? Who knows? Perhaps because she was calling from an unusual number, and "calling not from her own phone" became "calling collect" by the time the call got to him. Or because the person calling collect was on line 2. Or because they were a little stressed out because terrorists had just flown airplanes into the WTC.

>I don't know how much demolition experience you have.

None. I don't know how much experience with airplane crashes you have; unfortunately I have a little. Even in incidents where the aircraft is destroyed by fire, things like headsets and maps are often found unscathed, generally because they were ejected from the aircraft during the impact. (In one case, sadly, still attached to the pilot.)

>As the planes themselves were supposedly near "vaporized" by the
>impact . . . .

I don't think they were "near vaporized." I think the plane was just driven into the ground and reduced to a lot of very small pieces. A great many of those pieces were recovered without being vaporized (including the flight recorders.)

>the collection of human debris of each and every passenger/flight crew
>member seems highly unlikely and yet each was supposedly identified by
>a military forensics team.

Given that you can now identify people from fingerprints, dental records, skeletal remains and even DNA that doesn't surprise me much. One of the more grisly remains was found by Coroner Wally Miller who said the "only recognizable body part . . was a piece of spinal cord with five vertebrae attached." Per the coroner's report, many of the remains needed to be IDed via DNA matching.

OK, fine all these things can be explained . That's great.

So how about you, do you believe in the veracity of the 911 commisions report even though the majority of the commision members don't?

Oh!! One more thing.., this DNA matching , how does that work? Wouldn't the forensics team need a dna sample of each of the passengers and flight crew from prior to the crash? How are these obtained?

DLJ

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>So how about you, do you believe in the veracity of the 911 commisions
>report even though the majority of the commision members don't?

I think it's substantially correct, yes.

>Oh!! One more thing.., this DNA matching , how does that work? Wouldn't
>the forensics team need a dna sample of each of the passengers and
>flight crew from prior to the crash? How are these obtained?

Generally from cooperative family members. Most people leave some hair at home.

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>So how about you, do you believe in the veracity of the 911 commisions
>report even though the majority of the commision members don't?

I think it's substantially correct, yes.

>Oh!! One more thing.., this DNA matching , how does that work? Wouldn't
>the forensics team need a dna sample of each of the passengers and
>flight crew from prior to the crash? How are these obtained?

Generally from cooperative family members. Most people leave some hair at home.

Not to mention Family, just liek Identifying a father to a child, the blood lines are traceable!

Maybe I missed it, BUT, what would be to gain by "faking an attack"?

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>So how about you, do you believe in the veracity of the 911 commisions
>report even though the majority of the commision members don't?

I think it's substantially correct, yes.





>Oh!! One more thing.., this DNA matching , how does that work? Wouldn't
>the forensics team need a dna sample of each of the passengers and
>flight crew from prior to the crash? How are these obtained?

Generally from cooperative family members. Most people leave some hair at home.

I see! You collect hair samples or something similar from the homes of the deceased. That's easy enough.

One thing is still bothering me and maybe you can help me out here as you seem to know a good deal about aircraft.
It's the Barbara Olsen thing again. I know , I'm sorry but I just don't get it!
OK so her husband was mistaken when he reported several times about the phone call being collect.
What about his account of her stating that the hijackers had herded all the passengers and flight crew,includingthe pilots, to the rear of the aircraft?
Wouldn't the weight and ballance have made the plane extremely difficult to maneuver?

DLJ

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[replyMaybe I missed it, BUT, what would be to gain by "faking an attack"?

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[replyMaybe I missed it, BUT, what would be to gain by "faking an attack"?

Yeah, I guess you did miss it.

See skyrider, the "attacks" on 911 resulted in great public support for the ,oh wait.., you may not know about these.., let me start over.
Skyrider, currently the USA is involved in war around the world. Two of the locations in which this war is being conducted are Afghanistan and Iraq.
It's a war on "Terr".
The "attacks " on 9-11 resulted in great public support for this war.
It also resulted in the American people more readily accepting infringements on their Rights and civil liberties in the name of security.

DLJ

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That those spheres can be produced by other mechanisms other than a thermite reaction.

maybe so, but your silica rich speres are not the same as the irion rich microspheres and your efforts still fail to adress the actual presence of thermite, unreacted thermite. True tangible evidence tat you are willing to ignore.

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I have a paper describing how they are created, and a company that sells them as a commercial product.

You have a paper on how hollow silica spehres are created, and ignore the presence of iron rich spheres in the WTC dust. You also ignore the thermite itself, again! so you are creating a strawman argument based on ignorence.

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You're contradicting yourself there. Might as well say "bullets have lead in them but are not lead-rich."

You showed me pictures and documentation of spheres that were transparent and hollow, the iron spheres are opaque and solid with a completely different composition. Then there is also the thermite itself you seem to continually ignore.

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Correct. They are iron, silica and alumina; the rest is empty space. Similar to the spheres you saw.

Incorrect the spheres we saw were not transparent or translucent, they are opaque and solid as seen in this paper

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/residues.html

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His analysis showed that the spherules consisted primarily of iron, aluminum, sulfur, and oxygen. 4

These spheres are attracted to a magnet and are easily extraced from the dust using one.

I doubt your ceramic spheres would be attracted to a magnet. if so do you have evidence of that?

And then of course there is the unreacted thermite you continue to ignore...

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What is your proof of this? (In your own words, please.)

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These speres are a byproduct of an aluminothermitic reaction. simple. you too can understand that if you choose to do so. they are documented in various journals and by the USGS analysis of the dust.

I even showed you a photo of a sphere attached to the thermite chip. you ignored it.

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I did not acknowledge that.

Oh thats right, you just ignored it and said it was dirt?

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Do you have any evidence at all of your "100 nm mostly iron spheres?"

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/table_1.html

You'll find evidence of that description in the above publication.

I have also already given you plenty of reference to them, but i suppose 'everybody' that researches something other than what the official story tells us is a nut job, and thier references are invalid for that reason?

What is the point of science if everybodies research is not acknowledged.

Ignoring evidence is ignorant pseudo science.

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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Bleeding heart liberal......., that thinks we killed our own people, and it was all a conspiracy...Gotcha, thanks for the explination!

I don't know who killed them.
I think a proper investigation is in order to find out.
Got a problem with that?

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Do you seriously think that lowly about the American Government?

I don't think very highly of the American government when I consider them at all.

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