Nanothermite paper, if you think it is bull shit then show us your evidence

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OK, let's say you're right.

-Who did it?

-Why?

Straight, direct, concise answers to both, in your own words, if you please.

Please reply.

All you deniers ask the same questions.

All the truth movement asks for is an independant investigation into the collapses, an open investigation. The purpose if the investigation is to determine what actually happened and than maybe who was responsible.

The reason you ask that is to move the focus of the argument away from the subject matter that you simply cannot refute.

asking that question shows you lack of reason.

It is unreasonable for you to expact me to have such knowlegde.

But reason is not your objective, obscuring justice and truth is your objective.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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so. . . .


-Who did it?

-Why?

Straight, direct, concise answers to both, in your own words, if you please.

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But reason is not your objective, obscuring justice and truth is your objective.

No, that's your objective.

Why are you covering up for the warmongers?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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What was the concentration of Fe spheres in the dust samples prior to ignition in the tests?

Answer please.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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The speres were removed from the samples by a mangnet, There may be that information available, I will be dissapointed in you belgie if I can find this information easily enough. I'm not here to do your research for you.

You could just get to the point that you intend to propose after that information is provided or you too careful to delve so deep into your beliefs to cut to the chase?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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it only made us stronger...so they failed!

How so, on both counts?

Be specific.

Just want to see if you're in denial of the current state of the union.

I am talking right after the event, the country pulled together...NOW, it has not been so pulled apart since Vietnam, IMO

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Gee in a few minutes, I found the answer to your question, surprise surprise;

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Even before WTC dust was subjected to the kind of microscopic scrutiny described in Active Thermitic Material Discovered, several features of the dust analysis published by the USGS pointed to the use of aluminothermics. For example, the USGS data shows high levels of barium -- a fact that is difficult to explain, barring pyrotechnics. The high levels of iron and aluminum in the dust -- each ranging from 1.3 to 4.1 percent of the dust samples by weight

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9ioRriwjlksJ:911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html

and all while taking turns on my online game I managed to find some

So your point of asking me that question was purely to waste energy and come up with some straw man argument about something.

You could have that answer before you asked it. and used the result of that answer in this post, you are wasting time.

CUT TO THE CHASE OR PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE FOR YOU ASSERTIONS, other than simple words from propoganda or Pseudo experiments from network television. But scientific evidence from any of these engineers or architects or scientists, that you have been saying all along that will openly admit the thermite claims are wrong.

You show me one advocate of the ofiicial conspiracy story that has taken the effort to debunk scientifically this Nano thermite paper, and you might be back into the debate. but for now you are lingering around like a sore loser simply asking very basic questions you could answer yourself, or repeating yourself like someone else that cannot seem to comprehend that an answer does not change no matter how many times you ask the same question when you are being honest, unless something is explained that refutes, explains and has proof the answer to that question can honestly be changed. It is a simple theory to me, but I am honest.

First you tell me I have no clue, but then you ask questions you can anser yourself..., you are testing 'me', rather than the 'subject'. you really need to re assess how you anylise things.

Using your emotion and dislike for somebody is no way to do research, use should try using your integrety and knowledge and find out the prudent information yourself. Not beat around the bush with silly mind games, insults and straw man arguments.

You are supposed to be an engineer, It is about time you acted like one.

Childish behavior in such an important subject is not very professional, and when you cannot answer something yourself while you mock those that have actually taken the effort to study, invest time, money and energy, use the scientific method of coming to a conclusion, putting it through peer review, publishing it and backing it up with further study and request for more samples to study.

If the review process was flawed or it was successfully challenged, then show us that documentation?

You cannot because it does not exist.

You just listen to some doush bag on telly spit about how the arabs are going to try to take over america and the persians are the biggest threat to the world and evil murderers, all the while you fund, fully support, and assist the murder of innoicent civilians in that regon on a daily basis.

You guys have some fucked up philosiphy going on there.

It sure is interesting but also quite stupid and dangerous.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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OK, let's say you're right.

-Who did it?

-Why?

Straight, direct, concise answers to both, in your own words, if you please.

Please reply.

All you deniers ask the same questions.

All the truth movement asks for is an independant investigation into the collapses, an open investigation. The purpose if the investigation is to determine what actually happened and than maybe who was responsible.

The reason you ask that is to move the focus of the argument away from the subject matter that you simply cannot refute.

asking that question shows you lack of reason.

It is unreasonable for you to expact me to have such knowlegde.

But reason is not your objective, obscuring justice and truth is your objective.

Oh, Rhys, that is just so full of it. You write deeply about all sorts of things with your analyses of the who, why and wherefore - but here you simply refuse to do so; and then predictably, you go on the attack at whomever dares to ask His Excellency a simple question. Whatever. I haven't been one of those to engage you extensively on this topic, but now I haven't any desire to. If you want to lump me in with everyone who you think "can't handle the truth", go right ahead.

I gotta tell you, dude: The way you're behaving toward other people seems paranoid and irrational. Aren't you a businessman who markets himself and his business to the public? Does the success of your position as a skydiving instructor not hinge, among other things, on the public's trust in your judgment? Now if this is the way you want to hold out yourself out to the public, that's your choice, but... whew!

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I want to know how many rolls of toilet paper there were in the WTC

None. The thieving conspirators who planted the nanothermite stole it all when they left. Rumor is they even took all the light bulbs. (Were any intact lightbulbs found in the debris? No! Proof that it was an inside job.)

I'll bet they didn't find even a hint of any good quality dark chocolates either. Proof that the prepetrators were chocoholics, and removed all the good stuff from the building before they demolished it. Then, knowing what a weeks-long diet of chocolate would do to their digestive system, decided to snatch all the TP also.

We should be profiling candy loving gubmint agents with overactive bowels if we really want to get to the bottom of this thing.

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I want to know how many rolls of toilet paper there were in the WTC

None. The thieving conspirators who planted the nanothermite stole it all when they left. Rumor is they even took all the light bulbs. (Were any intact lightbulbs found in the debris? No! Proof that it was an inside job.)

I'll bet they didn't find even a hint of any good quality dark chocolates either. Proof that the prepetrators were chocoholics, and removed all the good stuff from the building before they demolished it. Then, knowing what a weeks-long diet of chocolate would do to their digestive system, decided to snatch all the TP also.

We should be profiling candy loving gubmint agents with overactive bowels if we really want to get to the bottom of this thing.

Should be easy enough - we could use the patriot act to get into thier medical records and see which agents have IBS and go frokm there.

Ooooh - and with the new HC law and all that goes with it, then the medical info won't be secret anymore, so we could just wait for that to happen.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Iron SPHERES, thus. Iron SPHERES. What was the concentration of iron spheres in the raw samples? And please use an objective source this time.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Oh, Rhys, that is just so full of it. You write deeply about all sorts of things with your analyses of the who, why and wherefore - but here you simply refuse to do so; and then predictably, you go on the attack at whomever dares to ask His Excellency a simple question.

I answered the question.

There are many people implicated in the events, all I really desire is a trnasparent, public and thourough investigation. you will find that is the desire of most in the truth movement.

That you can discredit me for "NOT KNOWING EVERYTHING" like you seem to claim to do, is pure arrogance.

If it was clear cut who the ring leader was then there would not be so much of a debate, would there.

This is a straw man tangent that tries to move the subject away from your lack of understanding of how you came to a conclusion, to finding something I am not sure of to make me look unsure.

If you could address the existence of the thermite and it's residues, then you would be back on the right path.

Until then you can just ignore the truth and stick to your straw man conversations with your apathetic mates.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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>That you can discredit me for "NOT KNOWING EVERYTHING" like you seem
>to claim to do, is pure arrogance.

Yet that is the very basis of your argument - that since YOU don't know everything we must spend billions on redundant investigations.

(Those investigations, of course, will not result in us knowing everything either.)

>If you could address the existence of the thermite and it's residues,
>then you would be back on the right path.

Thermite is a mixture of a metal powder and a metal oxide. Grind up anything made of metal (a screen door, a rusty nail) and you'd have a substance that was chemically identifiable as thermite. Therefore it is detectable chemically anywhere there is rusty metal.

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"This is a straw man tangent that tries to move the subject away from your lack of understanding of how you came to a conclusion, to finding something I am not sure of to make me look unsure.

Until then you can just ignore the truth and stick to your straw man conversations with your apathetic mates. "

Wow. The irony.
Those two sentences could be fairly applied to 99% of truther statements.

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Iron SPHERES, thus. Iron SPHERES. What was the concentration of iron spheres in the raw samples? And please use an objective source this time.

Do your own research and come back to me with results, you are slack and have no point to put across, so how about you actuaslly bring something to the conversation and show us ONE of your denying scientists that have taken the time to refute this paper, scientifically, put it through peer review and published it.

You have been saying for a long time now that there are more that defend the official story, then show us one.

Not some youtube video fo some angry little right wing warmongers doing brown eys, and calling names like twoofers but an actual scientific journal.

I thnk you will have difficulty finding one on the nanothermite subejct, because you are trying to discredit science, you are too slack to investigate for yourself and you ignore pertinant information that is the core of the conversation.

Like I suggested earlier, show us your argument.

As you have none right now other than insulting words which is not very scientific at all.

It is about time you bought some credit to your integrety, as your argument is looking pretty weak now if you are stumped by and illiterate radiophobe with no clue, like you claim me to be.

It is about time you step up to the plate.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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I know the amount. I want to see if you can find that information in the so-called scientific paper you posted. I bet you wont post your findings.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Iron SPHERES, thus. Iron SPHERES. What was the concentration of iron spheres in the raw samples? And please use an objective source this time.

Do your own research and come back to me with results, you are slack and have no point to put across, so how about you actuaslly bring something to the conversation and show us ONE of your denying scientists that have taken the time to refute this paper, scientifically, put it through peer review and published it.

You have been saying for a long time now that there are more that defend the official story, then show us one.

Not some youtube video fo some angry little right wing warmongers doing brown eys, and calling names like twoofers but an actual scientific journal.

I thnk you will have difficulty finding one on the nanothermite subejct, because you are trying to discredit science, you are too slack to investigate for yourself and you ignore pertinant information that is the core of the conversation.

Like I suggested earlier, show us your argument.

As you have none right now other than insulting words which is not very scientific at all.

It is about time you bought some credit to your integrety, as your argument is looking pretty weak now if you are stumped by and illiterate radiophobe with no clue, like you claim me to be.

It is about time you step up to the plate.

I am only asking questions that you should be able to answer if you understood the paper.
I said it before, this paer would have been tossed back in my face had i submitted it in engineering college. They drew conclusions before any testing was ever done, compared what they thought was nanothermite to conventional thermitic material when they had no data on how actual nanothermite would perform, etc. In short, they knew what they wanted to prove and only performed tests that could back up their suspicians....including testing paint chips that anybody who has taken a high school chem class would know would not react the same as the metallic chips they tested.
Now...answer my question. I already know the answer. What was the concentration of Fe spheres in the samples before they were subjected to destructive tests? Hell, the answer is right there in the report. You did read and understand it, didn't you?
Time to step up to the plate, bub, and "put your money where your mouth is".

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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"put your money where your mouth is"

He'll just return later for a refund

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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"put your money where your mouth is"

He'll just return later for a refund

There are very few ways to earn that refund - what are you suggesting?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Moi? Just making observations

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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"put your money where your mouth is"

He'll just return later for a refund

At Walmart?







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"put your money where your mouth is"

He'll just return later for a refund

At Walmart?

Best guess is anywhere he can. He's just that kinda guy.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Until then you can just ignore the truth and stick to your straw man conversations with your apathetic mates.

Aren't there places and people that actually want to chat with you endlessly about this, and would agree with you? It ought to be quite obvious by now that few if any here give your ideas even the slightest credibility.

What makes you keep posting and reposting the same stuff? I could see a few posts in a few threads, but holy buckets! Wouldn't you enjoy it more posting on a conspiracy forum where people agree with you and you could all validate each other's beliefs?

Just seems strange that you keep doing this here when most everyone thinks you're a bit crackers for doing so.

So bottom line it for me; why do you keep doing this here?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Until then you can just ignore the truth and stick to your straw man conversations with your apathetic mates.

Aren't there places and people that actually want to chat with you endlessly about this, and would agree with you? It ought to be quite obvious by now that few if any here give your ideas even the slightest credibility.

What makes you keep posting and reposting the same stuff? I could see a few posts in a few threads, but holy buckets! Wouldn't you enjoy it more posting on a conspiracy forum where people agree with you and you could all validate each other's beliefs?

Just seems strange that you keep doing this here when most everyone thinks you're a bit crackers for doing so.

So bottom line it for me; why do you keep doing this here?

The rest of the world thinks the US is attacking countries alphabetically. He really has nothing to worry about just now since his country is midway on the list (New Zealand) and we're only up to "I" right now. We'll prolly run out of bullets and bombs way before then. Heck!... they may be last on the list (Zealand, New) just ahead of Zimbabwe.

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The rest of the world thinks the US is attacking countries alphabetically.
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What an idiotic comment. You know what the rest of the world is thinking? From what source?

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