Nanothermite paper, if you think it is bull shit then show us your evidence

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people of your ilk,

Classy.

ironic

Entertaining.

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[rhys 0]

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Do you have links you can point to that can answer some questions? For example: Do physical properties of the elements involved in the nanothermite samples match (ex. C14 content, etc.) or do they differ from those same elements found in the WTC (steel beams, other construction materials, furnishings, etc.)? What is the distribution pattern around the WTC site and how does the concentration drop off with distance?

These are all questions that need to be answered, unfortunately the powers that be do not allow access to the evidence and the only samples are donated by those that were thoughtful enough to take them.

Many of the people doing this research were with the general consensus that the government would investigate the events and find out and publish the answers to these questions. after a number of years there are still no answers, the lack of investigation from the government has driven these people to do the work themselves.

For now we have samples from various places around Manhattan of this composition and its by products in abundence, in the dust from the calloaspe for the 3 wtc Buildings.

Unfortunately the government investigation was never performed, only a bogus, dry labbed, building perfomance report that origionally omitted the collapses themselves so this dust was never part of the equation there, only the fable that fire would poise the buildings for such and imminent collapse, which by the way is absurd.

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Have these other scenarios been satisfactorily eliminated? Has each element of an investigation been independently corroborated? Did the investigation and analysis of the material, along with other evidence (which has also been investigated and treated without prejudice) lead to a theory?

The theory of controlled demolition was contrived by observation, building 7 for example looked precisely like a controlled demolition.

This evidence came to be, years later when people got tired of waiting to the governmnt to do it , and woke up to the idea that they are being lied to. they got samples and access to an electron microscope etc etc.

the NIST report is contradictory. it mentiones the freefall acceleration (because truth activists forced them to with god old basic science) but does not explain it.

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Or, with a particular hypothesis in mind, are the pieces of the puzzle being made to fit that hypothesis? Is there any other "evidence" that may or may not support a hypothesis? If physical evidence points to a scenario, say an "inside job", and there is no evidence to refute that, how is the connection made to a specific "whodunnit"?

As explained above, you cannot expect an obvious hypothesis to be ignored when you start looking for evidence. when you are asked to prove your assertion, you cannot be expected to ingore the observations and theories you have had up until that time.

the who dunnit question is asked in every interview of every truth ativist and the only reason that questions is asked by those that wish to prop up the official stroy, it to try to get the truth activst to 'blame someone' so a straw man argument can be made of that.

Forst we muct look at the evidence, then we must investigate it, then we will get answers to who was invloved.

Follow the money. who gained, and who lost?

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...and how did "tens of tons" of the pyrotechnic material get "planted" in the buildings, and was there enough time from initial development of that pyrotechnic in the mid-1990s till 9/11 to have the idea, develop a plan, plant the material, execute the plan, and ensure that no one "talks"? BTW - there are a few "straw-man" references in the "....Made Simple" article.

I have explained before how this material could have been planted, if you look into the companies called Stratesec and Ensec, along with E.J. Electric and Electronic Systems Associates, who owned them and how the owners of those companies benifited from the attacks then you should answer your own queston. But you have to be willing to look, are you?


Carlyle, Kissinger, SAIC and Halliburton: A 9/11 Convergence

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http://www.cenostar.com/

so now glass is the same as iron?

haha what is the point of your stupid attempt to prove nothing?

it was certainly amusing to see that, but what did it prove?

that you have nothing, only words.

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samples are tiny, and the "provenance" of the samples is not exactly compelling. Claims that there must be tons more of the stuff in the rubble, which is no longer present or possible to investigate, is highly convenient. Science is about repeatable results, and that's not possible here.

bullshit, there is tons and tons of the stuff in a landfill on sttan island, it has been sifted for human remains under strict security, and no family men=mers are allowed even a sample of the dust for emitional reasons.

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"Although these elements -- aluminum, iron, oxygen, and silicon -- were all abundant in building materials used in the Twin Towers, it is not possible that such materials milled themselves into fine powder and assembled themselves into a chemically optimized aluminothermic composite as a by-product of the destruction of the Twin Towers. " Claims like this are made, but never actually proven.

usually such events are 'destructive' rather than 'construcive' so one would have to prove that an event like that is capable of constructing such a composition before one would be expected to prove that it didn't.

Common sense will tell you how extraordinarily unlikely it would be for a compostion if nano engineered subsatnces to form in a such a destructive collapse.

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And then we get back to the core problem - how to explain how it was accomplished, why you would bother with the pesky task of hijacking and crashing airplanes in (al queda already had a bombing history at the Towers), and why no Iraqis were on board the planes.

The answer is simple, how would islamic terrorists gain access to the buildings to plant the explosives without Stratesec and Ensec, along with E.J. Electric and Electronic Systems Associates being complicut by neglegence?

this would put the powers that be into question at a time that they needed the trust of the population in order to get into these wars that they had been planning for so long.

If you can ask how the substance can be planted and that there needed to be such a vast amount of it, can you tell me why so much explosived must be needed to make the buildings collapse when you are also trying to say that is it reasonable to expect them to collapse with no explosives at all?

And why is it so impossible for anyone to gain access to the buildings that the use of pre planted explosives was never looked at? NIST says the reason is that there was not enough sound to suspect explosives but the guidelines for investigating such events clearly stipulates that explosive residues MUST be looked for.

If they can infiltrate the air defense system of the pentagon, how is it so hard to beleive that explosives could be planted in civilian buildings?

it is not, but the officials want the use of explosives to be a 'silly idea' so people like you will continue to defend them and thier murdurous ways.


Why do you defend such fraudulent documentation and officials?

Do you acknowledge the existence of corruption and if so, what is your opinion on the extent of corruption? Are all government departments squeaky clean? all large multinational comapnies with military contracts? no corruption there either? why is corruptipn so easily ignored?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[billvon 3,078]

>so now glass is the same as iron?

No, iron is the same as iron:

"Cenospheres are comprised primarily of silica, iron and alumina . . "

>haha what is the point of your stupid attempt to prove nothing?

That those iron-rich spheres you were going on about (and posting pictures of) are quite common and are produced in coal fired power plants.

You think it's bullshit? I've shown you a paper describing their formation, and shown you a company that harvests them. If you disagree, show us your proof that coal fired power plants do not produce iron spheres.

[billvon 3,078]

>If they can infiltrate the air defense system of the pentagon,

Lost Cessna pilots have "infiltrated the air defense system of the Pentagon." It's trivially easy - take an airplane and point it at the Pentagon.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMimqfJVedE

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Lost Cessna pilots have "infiltrated the air defense system of the Pentagon." It's trivially easy - take an airplane and point it at the Pentagon.

Maybe so Bill, but what is the explanation of your glass spheres that are supposed to be evidence that nano thermite can be constructed during the 'destruction' of a building.

you are not going to get away with the pathetic attempt odf an explanation that easily.

you said iron spered were produced by the coal plant down the road and you gave us links and photos of glass speres.

you said these compounds are found everywhere, yet you have no proof.

Try reading the title of the thread bill, then come back to me with your theories of how science changed on that day.

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>so now glass is the same as iron?

No, iron is the same as iron:

"Cenospheres are comprised primarily of silica, iron and alumina . . "

haha, they have iron in them but are not iron rich, they are hollow and contain mostly silica and are used to reduce weight.

This is once again a straw man argument as the iron rich speres found by steven jones and co. are a byproduct of the thermitic reaction. If the speres were the only evidence for thermite you may be onto something, but as there is actual unreacted thermite as explained and acknowleged by you above, but then you go head and ignore that (again), you ignore that the iron rich speres look nothing like your Cenospheres that you cite, and you are aware of this as you frantically search for an excuse to avoid the inevitable, or you just simply ignore it.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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It is quite amusing watching you, who can't even spell, try to debate science with Bill. It is somewhat like a paper airplane taking on a F-16 fighter.

You want proof that your little particles are found everywhere? Reach down, grab some dirt, and have it analyzed. Then report back here what you found. I bet you find silica, aluminum, aluminum oxide, iron, iron oxide, carbon,.......

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It is quite amusing watching you, who can't even spell, try to debate science with Bill. It is somewhat like a paper airplane taking on a F-16 fighter.

You want proof that your little particles are found everywhere? Reach down, grab some dirt, and have it analyzed. Then report back here what you found. I bet you find silica, aluminum, aluminum oxide, iron, iron oxide, carbon,.......

You really do like that strawman look don't you.

I could take the time to lay out a word document and check the spelling. Or not.

even though I cannot spell perfectly, and it more to do with my bad typing skills than spelling but anyhow...

One fact still remains un acconted for, by you and other imbeciles that wish to defend the official myth.

Nobody can show evidence of this composition existing any place, any time or any how before or after 9/11.

You can look at dirt all you like, but IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE FACT THAT NANO THERMITE EXISTS, AND IT EXISTS IN THE DEBRIS OF 9/11, AND THIS PROVES EXPLOSIVES WERE USED. You can ignore that all you like, but in doing so you are not using the scientific method, and you are being ignorant.

How abot you show us an example of how you can find these compositions in plain old dirt and compare them the photgraphs of the nanothermite.

Bill tried and failed miserably, he is only lying to himself if he thinks that his silica rich (hollow) spheres are anything like the residue of an alumino thermitic reaction.

yet I'm sure that somehow he can continue his argument using ignorance also.

Ignoring facts is ignorence in it's purest form.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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It would seem to prove itself repeatedly that you are the one that tries and fails miserably, albeit you are the only one that thinks otherwise.
You guys get better weed there than we do in the US???

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It would seem to prove itself repeatedly that you are the one that tries and fails miserably, albeit you are the only one that thinks otherwise.
You guys get better weed there than we do in the US???

Some ones keys to imagination are opening all the wrong doors.

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It would seem to prove itself repeatedly that you are the one that tries and fails miserably, albeit you are the only one that thinks otherwise.
You guys get better weed there than we do in the US???
Crazy

I don't smoke weed anymore as I am a chief instructor and a drug test could take that away from me.

No matter how many times you ignore the evidence and no matter how many bigots you get to agree with you, none of you are addressing the subject matter of this thread, you all ignore the evidence and continue on with the same bullshit.

As the thread suggests, SHOW US YOU PROOF, otherwise you are just post whoring.

It seems you are all foiled by this one, and as expected you ignore that also.

You know what that makes you don't you....?

Ignorant!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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I'm sure you are amused by that time and time again but you could at least come up with some new material.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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carlos castenada , and don quixote !

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I'm sure you are amused by that time and time again but you could at least come up with some new material.

ummmm DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE

Got a NEW Conspiracy..or are you going to just keep bludgeoning us with this one till you finally realize your "proof" aint what its BOOOOOOMED up to be

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Lost Cessna pilots have "infiltrated the air defense system of the Pentagon." It's trivially easy - take an airplane and point it at the Pentagon.

Maybe so Bill, but what is the explanation of your glass spheres that are supposed to be evidence that nano thermite can be constructed during the 'destruction' of a building.

you are not going to get away with the pathetic attempt odf an explanation that easily.

Why not? You asked that pathetic question about penetrating pentagon airspace. After that, I didn't see any need to reply to your posting.

when you've managed to learn what "straw man" and "proof" mean, start a new thread.

[billvon 3,078]

>Maybe so Bill, but what is the explanation of your glass spheres that are
>supposed to be evidence that nano thermite can be constructed during
>the 'destruction' of a building.

That those spheres can be produced by other mechanisms other than a thermite reaction.

>you said these compounds are found everywhere, yet you have no proof.

I have a paper describing how they are created, and a company that sells them as a commercial product.

>haha, they have iron in them but are not iron rich

You're contradicting yourself there. Might as well say "bullets have lead in them but are not lead-rich."

> they are hollow and contain mostly silica and are used to reduce weight.

Correct. They are iron, silica and alumina; the rest is empty space. Similar to the spheres you saw.

>This is once again a straw man argument as the iron rich speres found by
> steven jones and co. are a byproduct of the thermitic reaction.

What is your proof of this? (In your own words, please.)

>If the speres were the only evidence for thermite you may be onto
>something, but as there is actual unreacted thermite as explained and
>acknowleged by you above

I did not acknowledge that.

>you ignore that the iron rich speres look nothing like your
>Cenospheres that you cite . . ..

Do you have any evidence at all of your "100 nm mostly iron spheres?"

[billvon 3,078]

>Ignorant!

Aaaaand . . . your last warning,

[jakee 1,564]

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Lost Cessna pilots have "infiltrated the air defense system of the Pentagon." It's trivially easy - take an airplane and point it at the Pentagon.

Maybe so Bill

So you admit using a pathetic attempt at a strawman? That's progress.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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It is quite amusing watching you, who can't even spell, try to debate science with Bill. It is somewhat like a paper airplane taking on a F-16 fighter.

Oh come now, you forget how highly qualified rhys in in this field. He took physics in high school!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE FACT THAT NANO THERMITE EXISTS, AND IT EXISTS IN THE DEBRIS OF 9/11, AND THIS PROVES EXPLOSIVES WERE USED.

So you read the paper, you liked the conclusion, and so you decided that it must be absolutely true.

When you started this thread you never had the slightest intention of actually listening to any criticisms of the paper or its conclusions.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Rhys how could several buildings full of people have been rigged to collapse via use of explosives without anyone noticing? It would have taken a hell of a lot of det cord and would have been unmissble.

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Rhys how could several buildings full of people have been rigged to collapse via use of explosives without anyone noticing? It would have taken a hell of a lot of det cord and would have been unmissble.

Nano det-cord.

That stuff's practically invisible.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?