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The ISC stated that the iowa law allowing only one man and one women to marry was not legal, not valid not what ever for what ever reason.



striking down the law as unconstitutional should be sufficient to enable same sex couples to marry without interference - nothing else is needed, the law is deleted

at that point - if the state interferes with the marriage, then the state is breaking law and the executive branch has to protect the right to the marriage

nowhere is new verbage needed
if the legislature wants to try again, they need to do it lawfully

again - did they actually write law explicitly allowing same sex marriage? or did they just instruct the state to not restrict it?

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The ISC stated that the iowa law allowing only one man and one women to marry was not legal, not valid not what ever for what ever reason.



striking down the law as unconstitutional should be sufficient to enable same sex couples to marry without interference - nothing else is needed, the law is deleted

at that point - if the state interferes with the marriage, then the state is breaking law and the executive branch has to protect the right to the marriage

nowhere is new verbage needed
if the legislature wants to try again, they need to do it lawfully

again - did they actually write law explicitly allowing same sex marriage? or did they just instruct the state to not restrict it?



What is the exact wording of the law that they passed in court?
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What is the exact wording of the law that they passed in court?



I have no idea - that's what's confusing.
However, judges don't "word the law" which will "pass in court"

they issue opinions - that's why I think marc's statement that they "wrote law" is likely very incorrect

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What is the exact wording of the law that they passed in court?



Who said a law passed in court? A law was struck down in court. That's all I'm aware of.

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Rushmc is claiming that they wrote law.

I have searched, but I cannot find what they wrote that is law.
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Three cheers for Iowa voters!!!!!

People who actually stood up for their beliefs!



They, like you, are on the wrong side of history on this one.



Huh?????
You have a problem with people standing up for their beliefs? I assume yours are different?



I hope this upsets you:

http://www.gaypolitics.com/2010/11/03/record-number-of-lgbt-candidates-elected-to-office/



Huh??? You do?
Sorry to dash your hopes but why would it?
Voters stood up for their beliefs.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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What is the exact wording of the law that they passed in court?



Who said a law passed in court? A law was struck down in court. That's all I'm aware of.

Blues,
Dave



Rushmc is claiming that they wrote law.

I have searched, but I cannot find what they wrote that is law.



They wrote law by the effect

Again
there is not yet a law on the books in Iowa that says a marriage can be between two of the same sex

The court just ordered the state to marry them
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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Three cheers for Iowa voters!!!!!

People who actually stood up for their beliefs!



They, like you, are on the wrong side of history on this one.



Huh?????
You have a problem with people standing up for their beliefs? I assume yours are different?



I hope this upsets you:

http://www.gaypolitics.com/2010/11/03/record-number-of-lgbt-candidates-elected-to-office/



Huh??? You do?
Sorry to dash your hopes but why would it?
Voters stood up for their beliefs.



Great, then you know that your Iowa 'victory' is hollow.
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Voters stood up for their beliefs.

Yes, they did. However in a constitutional democracy (or republic for the nit-pickers) the constitution takes precedence over the "voters beliefs". Otherwise, minorities would always be threatened by the whims of the majority. Who knows, in Georgia we might still be living with Jim Crow if it wasn't for the US Supreme Court, if the state flag controversy was anything to go by.

Hope you're doing OK Andy. I'm going to try to get up your way one of these days.

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They wrote law by the effect

Again
there is not yet a law on the books in Iowa that says a marriage can be between two of the same sex

The court just ordered the state to marry them



OK - they didn't write anything. Glad that's settled. Now the dust settles.

The ONLY thing a law can do is prohibit the marriage. And if that's unconstitutional, the court is duty bound to delete it. Which apparently they did.

Laws should not "allow" any rights. That's a ludicrous position to take and you know it and have argued that vehemently on other topics.

In this case, then, it sounds like the judges were doing their jobs and people just didn't like the results and are too lazy to change the constitution of the state to make the prohibition 'constitutional'.

The only way the people of Iowa can make same sex marriages illegal - is to change the state constitution so that they can pass a law prohibiting it.

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Great, then you know that your Iowa 'victory' is hollow.



You're trying to read more into my comment than was actually there.

I made no comments about "hollow" or not nor have I claimed any victory as being mine.
Just a simple notation that enough people actually got enough votes together to accomplish a goal.

One hears a lot of complaining and doesn't see much action. Here's a case where there was action.

I live in GA, IA doesn't really affect me. Iowa is a nice state and all except that I didn't really care for the dirtweed that I found growing by the side of the roads while hitchhiking through back in the early 70s.

Kinda like the Tea Party. A grassroots movement got enough votes together to accomplish some goals.
Maybe Americans are re-learning the concept of "power to the people".
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Hi, everyone! I've been away all day.
So.... did I miss anything?




no, obtuseness abounds, as well as pointless insults and responses issued before reading/understanding the other guy

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The only way the people of Iowa can make same sex marriages illegal - is to change the state constitution so that they can pass a law prohibiting it.



Which is coming
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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The only way the people of Iowa can make same sex marriages illegal - is to change the state constitution so that they can pass a law prohibiting it.



Which is coming



that's the choice of the people - but seems to be a bad expenditure of energy

I think it's a pointless exercise in 'buttinskyness' closely related to "none of my businessess" and roughly associated with the "keep pushing them and you'll attract the flamboyant and unhealthy weirdos to your state instead of the probably fairly normal gays already in your area that have jobs and aren't really that different otherwise"

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The only way the people of Iowa can make same sex marriages illegal - is to change the state constitution so that they can pass a law prohibiting it.



Which is coming



that's the choice of the people - but seems to be a bad expenditure of energy

I think it's a pointless exercise in 'buttinskyness' closely related to "none of my businessess" and roughly associated with the "keep pushing them and you'll attract the flamboyant and unhealthy weirdos to your state instead of the probably fairly normal gays already in your area that have jobs and aren't really that different otherwise"



All good points
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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The only way the people of Iowa can make same sex marriages illegal - is to change the state constitution so that they can pass a law prohibiting it.



Which is coming



Hey as long as christo-fascism survives in the red state heartland... its all good.

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The only way the people of Iowa can make same sex marriages illegal - is to change the state constitution so that they can pass a law prohibiting it.



Which is coming



Brought to you by the same brand of conservatives who resent government telling people how to live their lives when it comes to marketing Happy Meals toys to children.

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The only way the people of Iowa can make same sex marriages illegal - is to change the state constitution so that they can pass a law prohibiting it.



Which is coming


Brought to you by the same brand of conservatives who resent government telling people how to live their lives when it comes to marketing Happy Meals toys to children.

:D:D

Go do your liberal grumping somewhere it will be appreciated dude:D

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Brought to you by the same brand of conservatives who resent government telling people how to live their lives when it comes to marketing Happy Meals toys to children.



I like this response - can I reverse it and turn it on the pro San Fran people in the Happy Meal thread?

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Brought to you by the same brand of conservatives who resent government telling people how to live their lives when it comes to marketing Happy Meals toys to children.



I like this response - can I reverse it and turn it on the pro San Fran people in the Happy Meal thread?



Uh.. Too late!!

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Brought to you by the same brand of conservatives who resent government telling people how to live their lives when it comes to marketing Happy Meals toys to children.



I like this response - can I reverse it and turn it on the pro San Fran people in the Happy Meal thread?



Uh.. Too late!!



The criticism of this vote is brought to you by the same brand of crypto-fascisti who would limit personal decisions and try to tell people how to feed their kids.

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