Waterboarding saved lives - G Bush

[nigel99 507]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11715577

Interesting article and perspective on Bush's perspective on torture.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[normiss 806]

I would venture to say that war has saved lives as well.

[skyrider 0]

I don;t need an artical to know it saved lives, But, I'll read it anyway!

[shropshire 0]

I didn't trust the twat before - why would it change because he;s trying to sell a book ?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[normiss 806]

What does waterboarding your enemy have to do with trust?

[skyrider 0]

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I didn't trust the twat before - why would it change because he;s trying to sell a book ?

So did you buy the twats book that is office now?

[shropshire 0]

One should be able to trust your leaders and their allies to abide by the laws..... I don't.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[turtlespeed 221]

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One should be able to trust your leaders and their allies to abide by the laws..... I don't.

If that were true, those highly intelligent forefathers we have wouldn't have felt that we needed to include the second amendment.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[nigel99 507]

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I didn't trust the twat before - why would it change because he;s trying to sell a book ?

Trust me watch the video and listen to the audio feed. The jounalist lasted 12 seconds the first time and then when the CIA told him that 30 seconds was about the longest people lasted being British he wanted to try again to see if he could beat it

The audio feed has some interesting analysis. The WMD evidence for Iraq was obtained by torture - look how reliable that was

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[Coreece 190]

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Waterboarding saved lives

Yes...they weren't shot in the head.

waterboarding is not lethal, unless bitten by a shark.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[nigel99 507]

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Waterboarding saved lives

Yes...they weren't shot in the head.

waterboarding is not lethal, unless bitten by a shark.

Nice christian love Torture is fine cause you weren't killed. Should torture victims thank you for sparing their lives?

Hopefully you were being sarcastic.

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Torture is defined by the 1949 UN Convention against Torture as "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person..." in order to get information.

The US is signed up to the Convention. The eighth amendment to the US Constitution banning "cruel and unusual punishment" is also held to prohibit torture.

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Mr Bush admits that he was shocked when no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq after the 2003 invasion.

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This is followed by the admission of Bush that he was "mortified about the false intelligence that lead to the war on Iraq". BUT

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No one has yet offered any validated evidence that torture produces reliable intelligence. While torture apologists frequently make the claim that torture saves lives, that assertion is directly contradicted by many Army, FBI, and CIA professionals who have actually interrogated al Qaeda captives. Exhibit A is the torture-extracted confession of Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, an al Qaeda captive who told the CIA in 2001, having been "rendered" to the tender mercies of Egypt, that Saddam Hussein had trained al Qaeda to use WMD. It appears that this confession was the only information upon which, in late 2002, the president, the vice president, and the secretary of state repeatedly claimed that "credible evidence" supported that claim, even though a now-declassified Defense Intelligence Agency report from February 2002 questioned the reliability of the confession because it was likely obtained under torture. In January 2004, al-Libi recanted his "confession," and a month later, the CIA recalled all intelligence reports based on his statements.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[tkhayes 348]

not sending troops to either Iraq or Afghanistan probably would have saved a lot of lives too....

[jimmytavino 16]

right....
both civilians There,,,,
and our heroic Troops and National Guard people, from HERE,,, many of whom NEVER bargained for being sent to that Hell Hole,, when they first signed up..

After watching some of G W s' interviews, AND doing so, with an open mind,, and willingness to Listen to HIS side of the story,,,
I came away disgusted at the shit eating Grin... which seems to be His standard M. O.
He's talking about Death, and chaos, and he's grinning....!!!
hasn't ANYone ( i.e. his ADVISORS ) EVER told him, how he comes across????

his arrogance is palpable.... I can accept arrogance born of skill and /or acomplishment,
But arrogance born of a self imagined capablility, bugs the hell outta me....

There is very little to be proud of GW....
Yes we were hit and hit hard, in NYC,, on 9 -11... and it was cowardly as it was bold...AND it WASS on "his watch"...
However it's been claimed to be "an act of War", and so served as justification to deploy into Afghanistan...
I would have thought that an 'act of war' can only be perpetrated by one Sovereign Nation,,,,against another..
Al Queda operatives are fringe radicals,, and certainly NOT any sort of Nation.....
so tell me again.....how that Civil Crime..... started not One war ,, but two....

So G W Bush cares little "what people think of me"... and claims "history will write my legacy"....
i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.. But he simply helped to justify how i've felt about him, ever since his "Aw Shucks" country boy image , came across our tv news shows,,,,, from back when he governed texas...

some things NEVER change..

jmy

[Coreece 190]

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Nice christian love

Sounds like this is the theme for today...

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Hopefully you were being sarcastic.

ya think?

I primarily just use dz.com for entertainment purposes now.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[turtlespeed 221]

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not sending troops to either Iraq or Afghanistan probably would have saved a lot of lives too....

For a little while.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

Well that should stir up those here who have a never ending desire to kiss Bush ass all day every day for the rest of their lives.

[mnealtx 0]

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Well that should stir up those here who have a never ending desire to kiss Bush ass all day every day for the rest of their lives.

And tingle legs for those with a never ending desire to suck Clinton's dick all day for the rest of their lives.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Well that should stir up those here who have a never ending desire to kiss Bush ass all day every day for the rest of their lives.

And tingle legs for those with a never ending desire to suck Clinton's dick all day for the rest of their lives.

Pssst - think "darker"

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

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Well that should stir up those here who have a never ending desire to kiss Bush ass all day every day for the rest of their lives.

And tingle legs for those with a never ending desire to suck Clinton's dick all day for the rest of their lives.

Hey I will not get in the way of anyones fantasies no matter how odd they truely seem Mikee.

That is supposed to be part of being American what ever your pursuit of happiness is...

I wonder how many trips to see that new statue in Kosovo someone has made

[Amazon 7]

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Well that should stir up those here who have a never ending desire to kiss Bush ass all day every day for the rest of their lives.

And tingle legs for those with a never ending desire to suck Clinton's dick all day for the rest of their lives.

Pssst - think "darker"

Oh My Turtle I did not know that was an interest of yours.. go figure

[mnealtx 0]

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I wonder how many trips to see that new statue in Kosovo someone has made

I heard it wasn't anatomically correct, so I'm guessing it didn't do you any good.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Well that should stir up those here who have a never ending desire to kiss Bush ass all day every day for the rest of their lives.

And tingle legs for those with a never ending desire to suck Clinton's dick all day for the rest of their lives.

Pssst - think "darker"

Oh My Turtle I did not know that was an interest of yours.. go figure

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[tkhayes 348]

A while back here in Z-Hills, they renamed 6th Ave to "Martin Luther King Blvd" which caused a huge uproar in the City.

At a meeting where hundreds of people (especially the white racists wrapped in their American Flag shirts) stood at Council bellowing their objections. One of them said (rather loudly) "The actions of Martin Luther King DIRECTLY cost American soldiers their lives....", referring to the Vietnam War.

I thought....the actions of Lyndon B Johnson and Congress
are what actually cost American soldiers their lives. They are the ones that sent them into harm's way. hindsight clearly demonstrates that Vietnam was a waste of money and lives.

My case is that Afghanistan and Iraq are and were a waste of lives - ours and theirs.

Whatever way you want to look at it. No war - no one can die from war. No disease, no one can die from disease. etc.

[turtlespeed 221]

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My case is that Afghanistan and Iraq are and were a waste of lives - ours and theirs.

Whatever way you want to look at it. No war - no one can die from war. No disease, no one can die from disease. etc.

Do you really believe in your heart that thousands of of those same people would not have died wether we went in or not?

Any life taken is a waste. It is just a very difficult thing and a heavy burdenm that leaders hold on their shoulders, to decide which ones are justified.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,461]

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Any life taken is a waste. It is just a very difficult thing and a heavy burdenm that leaders hold on their shoulders, to decide which ones are justified.

True dat. However, when it's clear that the lives of the people we are supposed to be defending aren't held to be as valuable as the lives of the defenders, there's something wrong.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)