GeorgiaDon 362 #76 November 13, 2010 Skyrider, How do you answer Lawrocket's point that the contrail should be getting brighter if the source is gaining altitude and climbing to where the sun still appears well above the horizon? If anything, the contrail is darker close to the source, consistent with the source flying level in a direction opposite to the movement of the terminator (the boundary between day and night). Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #77 November 13, 2010 QuoteSkyrider, How do you answer Lawrocket's point that the contrail should be getting brighter if the source is gaining altitude and climbing to where the sun still appears well above the horizon? If anything, the contrail is darker close to the source, consistent with the source flying level in a direction opposite to the movement of the terminator (the boundary between day and night). Don How do you explain it? How do you explain "No Airplane" has ever left a contral of that type, especially climbing at such a high rate? One expliantion, depending on camera used, is simply a hobbist launching a rocket from a private boat... As pointed out before, ANY aircraft capabale of that contral, would have had a transponder, and would be known by now... BUT, a back yard hobbiest...???? I am surprised no one has mentioned that yet! Some of those guys build incredable rockets! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #78 November 13, 2010 Quote Quote >it almost had to be one of ours... Most likely, yes. It was one of our commercial aircraft. There are a lot of em. No commerciel aricraft flies that way.... They fly exactly that way. They make really long contrails very slowly. A plane flying to the east at altitude would be expected to make exactly that kind of contrail. Quote As pointed out before, ANY aircraft capabale of that contral, would have had a transponder, and would be known by now... It is known. It was a very ordinary flight. Quote How do you explain "No Airplane" has ever left a contral of that type, especially climbing at such a high rate? They do leave contrails like that. It was not climbing at a high rate, it was quite slow, and there is no way for you to conclude that it was climbing.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #79 November 13, 2010 Quote Quote Quote >it almost had to be one of ours... Most likely, yes. It was one of our commercial aircraft. There are a lot of em. No commerciel aricraft flies that way.... They fly exactly that way. They make really long contrails very slowly. A plane flying to the east at altitude would be expected to make exactly that kind of contrail. If you say so... I've lived on the coast of California for 22 years now, rightr by the airport, and have NEVER seen that kind of Contrail! Obviously many hundreds of thousands of others haven't either, or it wouldn't have been news! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #80 November 13, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote >it almost had to be one of ours... Most likely, yes. It was one of our commercial aircraft. There are a lot of em. No commerciel aricraft flies that way.... They fly exactly that way. They make really long contrails very slowly. A plane flying to the east at altitude would be expected to make exactly that kind of contrail. If you say so... I've lived on the coast of California for 22 years now, rightr by the airport, and have NEVER seen that kind of Contrail! Obviously many hundreds of thousands of others haven't either, or it wouldn't have been news! Below is a link to a story showing a pic of a similar contrail. The lighting, reflection all could explain why it happened to seem more dramatic than usual: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/09/mystery-solved-missile-launch-jet-contrail/People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #81 November 13, 2010 Still, no consistant red glow at the sorce...Just sayin... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #82 November 13, 2010 QuoteStill, no consistant red glow at the sorce...Just sayin... The thing was moving really, really slowly. Just like you'd expect a sub sonic airplane at 35k to look like as it was still far away. The reflections from the sun mentioned earlier make perfect sense, can't understand why they make you laugh.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #83 November 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteStill, no consistant red glow at the sorce...Just sayin... The thing was moving really, really slowly. Just like you'd expect a sub sonic airplane at 35k to look like as it was still far away. The reflections from the sun mentioned earlier make perfect sense, can't understand why they make you laugh. Once again, then why has it not been discovered what aircraft? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #84 November 13, 2010 Quote Quote Still, no consistant red glow at the sorce...Just sayin... The thing was moving really, really slowly. Just like you'd expect a sub sonic airplane at 35k to look like as it was still far away. The reflections from the sun mentioned earlier make perfect sense, can't understand why they make you laugh. ...Or it could be an even slower aircraft flying at a much lower altitude ....like maybe a Beech-18 approaching the DZ on jump run burning a little oil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #85 November 13, 2010 QuoteOnce again, then why has it not been discovered what aircraft? http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/ I've seen contrails like this before - it's a plane, not a missile.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #86 November 13, 2010 Where is "Art Bell" when you need him...LOL, I used to love his talk show when I was driving across country! I think they were calling them "Chem Trails" claiming all kinds of government cover up of space visitors... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #87 November 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteStill, no consistant red glow at the sorce...Just sayin... The thing was moving really, really slowly. Just like you'd expect a sub sonic airplane at 35k to look like as it was still far away. The reflections from the sun mentioned earlier make perfect sense, can't understand why they make you laugh. Once again, then why has it not been discovered what aircraft? It already has been (an america west or UPS flight): http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/10/blogger-solved-california-missile-mystery/ This story also shows another pic from a day after the non-incident, but with a less dramatic contrail. Contrails can sometimes persist for a long time, sometimes they dissipate rather quickly depending on the conditions at the time. The timing and flight path all make sense to match it up to the contrail observed. It also matches the fact that it was a contrail being made slowly, just like a normal airplane at high altitude.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #88 November 13, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Still, no consistant red glow at the sorce...Just sayin... The thing was moving really, really slowly. Just like you'd expect a sub sonic airplane at 35k to look like as it was still far away. The reflections from the sun mentioned earlier make perfect sense, can't understand why they make you laugh. Once again, then why has it not been discovered what aircraft? It already has been (an america west or UPS flight): http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/10/blogger-solved-california-missile-mystery/ This story also shows another pic from a day after the non-incident, but with a less dramatic contrail. Contrails can sometimes persist for a long time, sometimes they dissipate rather quickly depending on the conditions at the time. The timing and flight path all make sense to match it up to the contrail observed. It also matches the fact that it was a contrail being made slowly, just like a normal airplane at high altitude. I've seen the results of ever believing FOX news around here, I always avoid them... Put on your flame proof clothing, the "Anti Foxer's" will be all over you in a minute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #89 November 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteStill, no consistant red glow at the sorce...Just sayin... The thing was moving really, really slowly. Just like you'd expect a sub sonic airplane at 35k to look like as it was still far away. The reflections from the sun mentioned earlier make perfect sense, can't understand why they make you laugh. Once again, then why has it not been discovered what aircraft? It already has been (an america west or UPS flight): http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/10/blogger-solved-california-missile-mystery/ This story also shows another pic from a day after the non-incident, but with a less dramatic contrail. Contrails can sometimes persist for a long time, sometimes they dissipate rather quickly depending on the conditions at the time. The timing and flight path all make sense to match it up to the contrail observed. It also matches the fact that it was a contrail being made slowly, just like a normal airplane at high altitude. Hah! ...a likely story! So ...how do explain the trilithium resin scattered all over California? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #90 November 13, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Still, no consistant red glow at the sorce...Just sayin... The thing was moving really, really slowly. Just like you'd expect a sub sonic airplane at 35k to look like as it was still far away. The reflections from the sun mentioned earlier make perfect sense, can't understand why they make you laugh. Once again, then why has it not been discovered what aircraft? It already has been (an america west or UPS flight): http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/10/blogger-solved-california-missile-mystery/ This story also shows another pic from a day after the non-incident, but with a less dramatic contrail. Contrails can sometimes persist for a long time, sometimes they dissipate rather quickly depending on the conditions at the time. The timing and flight path all make sense to match it up to the contrail observed. It also matches the fact that it was a contrail being made slowly, just like a normal airplane at high altitude. Hah! ...a likely story! So ...how do explain the trilithium resin scattered all over California? what about lithium thermite? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #91 November 13, 2010 The flight's airline and flight number has been posted at least three times in this thread. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #92 November 13, 2010 >Still, no consistant red glow at the sorce...Just sayin... There was no consistent red glow at the source on this one, either. Just a 20-second long reflection. No red glow before that. So unless you know of a launch vehicle that shuts down its engines during boost phase for long periods of time - it's an airplane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #93 November 13, 2010 But, there were the particals in the soil...they have neve.......Ohhh, wait...wrong thread!............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #94 November 13, 2010 Quote But, there were the particals in the soil...they have neve.......Ohhh, wait...wrong thread!............ Those are a protected class now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #95 November 13, 2010 Quote..., the blog says the alleged "missile" is likely America West Airlines Flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix. "Probablys" and "likelys" aren't quite cutting it for a lot of people when they should know EXACTLY which liner it was. I'm not saying it wasn't a jet, just not sold on "likely America West Airlines Flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix" I haven't even read/heard anything that confirms exactly which direction the aircraft was flying, has anyone else.? In the video it appears to be flying away from the chopper off the Cali coast not toward it. ??*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #96 November 13, 2010 QuoteIn the video it appears to be flying away from the chopper off the Cali coast not toward it. ?? The sun sets in the west. The helicopter was east of the object. The object is traveling at a minimum toward the right of the screen in the direction of the coast of California.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #97 November 13, 2010 It's a plane. The military doesn't keep track of them, so they wouldn't know which one it was. Without exact time and course, the FAA wouldn't be able to say either. There are a lot of planes up there. The apparent motion and all the other stuff is simply optical illusion. Out here in "Flyover Country" we see a lot of odd looking contrails. None of them are missiles. Different atmospheric conditions can make contrails persist for a long time, and the upper winds can spread them out, distort them, and make them look very different than usual. And the Pentagon and NASA have both said IT"S A PLANE."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #98 November 13, 2010 Well, everyone knows the government never lies or covers anything up...that is why all Americans knew about the Stealth Bomber , but no other country did! [/sarcasim] ............................................................................When the crew of a KCBS television news helicopter caught sight of a growing, glowing streak in the evening sky off the southern California coast November 8, experts and amateurs alike began to wonder just what this "mystery missile" was. To the dismay of conspiracy theorists everywhere, the sky trail seems to have been caused by an ordinary passenger plane, according to the Pentagon and some independent experts. "It's clearly an airplane contrail," says John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org in Alexandria, Va. Aside from the visual evidence, which Pike says looks more like the trail of a jet than the trail of a rocket, "every non-airplane explanation requires heroic assumptions," such as an undetected foreign attack off the coast. "Possibly it's the blue whales signaling to the space people," Pike says, tongue in cheek. "Possibly it's the finger of God foretelling the doom of Los Angeles." The airplane explanation was put forth rather quickly by Contrail Science, which demonstrated how an airplane flying horizontally toward a viewer can, from certain perspectives, mimic the appearance of a rocket flying vertically into the sky. The Web site and others even identified a likely suspect for the optical illusion: U.S. Airways flight 808, from Honolulu to Phoenix. The KCBS news copter observation can be explained by a fortuitous alignment of flight path and viewer, combined with clear skies that allow the contrail to be visible all the way to the horizon. "Normally the airplane is going to be flying at some direction other than straight toward you, and normally you're not going to see it at sunset with clear skies," Pike says. "It is unusual but not unprecedented," he adds, noting that Contrail Science has a number of photographic examples. The simple explanation also agrees with the military's inquiry, which turned up no missile launches—planned or accidental, foreign or domestic—that would fit the bill. In an e-mail, U.S. Department of Defense spokesperson Col. Dave Lapan said he informed the Pentagon press corps November 10 that "there is no evidence to suggest that the condensation trail observed off the coast of southern California on Monday evening was anything other than a contrail from an aircraft." But Theodore Postol, a professor of science, technology and international security at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is not yet convinced. The Pentagon, he wrote in an e-mail, has provided no detailed information to support the aircraft claim. "One of their jobs is to provide air surveillance for the country, and they should be able to provide a convincing analysis supported by data for their conclusion," said Postol, who furnished photographs of the mystery contrail along with remarkably similar pictures of solid-propellant missile launches. "I do not know what to think at this point," he said, "but one thing is for sure, the Pentagon has not provided a plausible explanation of the observed event." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #99 November 13, 2010 QuoteBut Theodore Postol, a professor of science, technology and international security at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is not yet convinced. The Pentagon, he wrote in an e-mail, has provided no detailed information to support the aircraft claim. Quote "I do not know what to think at this point," he said, "but one thing is for sure, the Pentagon has not provided a plausible explanation of the observed event." The Military does not have to provide answers to some silly professor. There's more important things to worry about than something that obviously isn't a threat._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #100 November 14, 2010 Quote But, there were the particals in the soil...they have neve.......Ohhh, wait...wrong thread!............ In April of 1970 I was at the Turkey Creek rest area in Florida enroute to Chicago. On the Eastern horizon we witnessed a VERY bright object go skyward, leaving a very solid trail behind. The Saturn V is admittedly atypical in terms of its overall presence, and there was no mistaking what we were witnessing. However, having witnessed quite a variety of rockets in use, from bottle-rockets to the aforementioned Saturn V, it strikes me that rockets are pretty obviously rockets. You will never hear someone say "gee, what was that?" A comment along the lines of "sonofabitch! Look at the rocket!" is more like it. From what I can tell, what we have here is a contrail. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
