There Is No 'Ground Zero Mosque'

[Darius11 12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJhF26Zch0g

The mosque is no longer a hot topic, but I found this video. He says every thing I feel and i think he makes a great argument.



“In America when someone comes for your neighbor, or his bible, or his Torah, or for his atheist manifesto, or his Koran you and I do as our fathers did, or as founders did you and I speak up”

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[david3 0]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJhF26Zch0g

The mosque is no longer a hot topic, but I found this video. He says every thing I feel and i think he makes a great argument.



“In America when someone comes for your neighbor, or his bible, or his Torah, or for his atheist manifesto, or his Koran you and I do as our fathers did, or as founders did you and I speak up”

Let’s not confuse the issue with accurate information.

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[Darius11 12]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJhF26Zch0g

The mosque is no longer a hot topic, but I found this video. He says every thing I feel and i think he makes a great argument.



“In America when someone comes for your neighbor, or his bible, or his Torah, or for his atheist manifesto, or his Koran you and I do as our fathers did, or as founders did you and I speak up”

Let’s not confuse the issue with accurate information.

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I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[skyrider 0]

WHY...even build Close to that area? "WHY"?

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WHY...even build Close to that area? "WHY"?

Do you mean why build anything or just this religious/community site?

If you mean anything . . . well, it's several blocks away and it's prime real estate. Unless you're suggesting the State of NY eminent domain the entire south end of the island, I don't understand how you could possibly stop people from buying and selling their own property and building whatever they want to on it. That's just how buildings get built anywhere.

If, on the other hand, you mean this religious/community site. How exactly is it different than any of the other ones located even closer to ground zero?

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[david3 0]

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WHY...even build Close to that area? "WHY"?

How far away is the correct distance to build?

[RonD1120 62]

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If, on the other hand, you mean this religious/community site. How exactly is it different than any of the other ones located even closer to ground zero?

Common sense! It represents a victory monument by the enemy as they have done elsewhere in history, in the world.

It just doesn't seem that difficult to me.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[DanG 1]

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Common sense! It represents a victory monument by the enemy as they have done elsewhere in history, in the world.

No it doesn't. A true victory for the terrorists is if we lose our freedoms because of the attack.

I visited Ground Zero for the first time a couple weeks ago. We pretty much walked around the entire site. I never saw the building in question, it is not adjacent to Ground Zero. There is, however, a church directly across the street.

- Dan G

[Andy9o8 2]

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If, on the other hand, you mean this religious/community site. How exactly is it different than any of the other ones located even closer to ground zero?

Common sense! It represents a victory monument by the enemy as they have done elsewhere in history, in the world.

It just doesn't seem that difficult to me.

All the shit you have to go through at airports is the victory monument to the enemy.
People really should read a little more Gandhi and a little less Falwell.

[turtlespeed 220]

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Common sense! It represents a victory monument by the enemy as they have done elsewhere in history, in the world.

No it doesn't. A true victory for the terrorists is if we lose our freedoms because of the attack.

I visited Ground Zero for the first time a couple weeks ago. We pretty much walked around the entire site. I never saw the building in question, it is not adjacent to Ground Zero. There is, however, a church directly across the street.

Was it already there?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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WHY...even build Close to that area? "WHY"?

How far away is the correct distance to build?

3,500 miles at a minimum.

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WHY...even build Close to that area? "WHY"?

How far away is the correct distance to build?

3,500 miles at a minimum.

Really close to 3,630 miles

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[davjohns 1]

Perhaps it would help if you understood the Arab concept of victory better. I was an advisor to the Iraqi Army and trained for three months in their way of thinking / culture before my year with them.

It's pretty simple. It's based on generations of survival in the desert.

I'm alive. I win.

Saddam Hussein claimed victory over us after DS. He was right by their standards. He was still there. He won. We failed to kill him or destroy Iraq. We must have lost.

The terrorists killed us and went to heaven on 9-11. Their brothers can now build a monument near the site where this happened. They win. And they win while playing by our rules.

I'm not saying I approve or disapprove of the building of the mosque. I'm just trying to shed a little light.

When someone defines success as survival, the only way to best him is to destroy him. We (the western world) consider that prospect morally repugnant. That makes this battle against terrorists one that can not be won through conventional means. And our laws will generally ensure symbolic victories for those who oppose our way of life or at least sympathize with them.

And sometimes; we will send convicted killers home to a hero's welcome based on our concept of mercy. We may have already lost.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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And sometimes; we will send convicted killers home to a hero's welcome based on our concept of mercy. We may have already lost.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DanG 1]

And our definition of victory should be that the American way of life still exists. If we continue to self-erode our freedoms, then they've won by our standards, too.

- Dan G

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And our definition of victory should be that the American way of life still exists. If we continue to self-erode our freedoms, then they've won by our standards, too.

Problem is:

The libera community is either in favor of this, or much, much, susceptable to desensitization to it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DanG 1]

Huh? I don't get your meaning.

- Dan G

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Huh? I don't get your meaning.

Unfortunately, that is the underlying issue.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Andy9o8 2]

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And our definition of victory should be that the American way of life still exists. If we continue to self-erode our freedoms, then they've won by our standards, too.

Problem is:

The libera community is either in favor of this, or much, much, susceptable to desensitization to it.

Not every point of philosophical disagreement between Americans is about liberalism vs. conservatism.

This obsessive compulsion that some people have to invoke "the L-word" at every opportunity, like it's some kind of required mantra, gets really silly.

[DanG 1]

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Unfortunately, that is the underlying issue.

Nice one liner. Again.

If you actually had any point to make, you could have taken this opportunity to clarify your remarks. I can only assume that you are just pot stirring, cheerleading, or are such a post whore you can't help replying to every thread.

- Dan G

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This obsessive compulsion that some people have to invoke "the L-word" at every opportunity, like it's some kind of required mantra, gets really silly.

Most of the drive by media and your liberal type love to call the other side conservative, right winger, fringe, to anyone not in accordance to your world view.

It is all the same, the difference lies in that a conservative called conservative does not get "sensitive like a liberal" about it, yet a liberal called a liberal gets his panties in a wad.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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that doesn't make any sense at all.

[skyrider 0]

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Common sense! It represents a victory monument by the enemy as they have done elsewhere in history, in the world.

No it doesn't. A true victory for the terrorists is if we lose our freedoms because of the attack.

I visited Ground Zero for the first time a couple weeks ago. We pretty much walked around the entire site. I never saw the building in question, it is not adjacent to Ground Zero. There is, however, a church directly across the street.

Have you not been traveling in and out of the US since? Our freedoms are dropping like flies, and the Muslims want to take more of them!

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Unfortunately, that is the underlying issue.

Nice one liner. Again.

If you actually had any point to make, you could have taken this opportunity to clarify your remarks. I can only assume that you are just pot stirring, cheerleading, or are such a post whore you can't help replying to every thread.

How could you know that? , unless "you" reply to every thread he is on?

[skyrider 0]

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WHY...even build Close to that area? "WHY"?

Do you mean why build anything or just this religious/community site?

If you mean anything . . . well, it's several blocks away and it's prime real estate. Unless you're suggesting the State of NY eminent domain the entire south end of the island, I don't understand how you could possibly stop people from buying and selling their own property and building whatever they want to on it. That's just how buildings get built anywhere.

If, on the other hand, you mean this religious/community site. How exactly is it different than any of the other ones located even closer to ground zero?

THAT rilgious community...anyone that thinks they have no motive for wanting it in the area , is Nieve,,IMO