Yes. Those Scary Brown People Again

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I'll discuss the topic.

Heretic

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>So you are for special preferential treatment of groups people based on
>well
>on what?

Age, sex, physical handicaps, things like that.

>And do you know when the special training for the treatment of Christians
>was done?

For most people, during their upbringing (since most people in the US are christian.)

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"Accept our ways".. "Ignore" them...But the rest of "you" law abidding US citizens, keep taking "your " shoes off, and "you" keep walking threw them scanners, But it is against our way /religion...forget "we" are the poeple blowing up your buildings and planes, Just respect "our " religion and "rights" they matter more than "yours"!

Just so I understand your point, should the TSA not respect anyone's personal feelings/beliefs and try to work within them if possible or is it just the Muslims that they should have no respect for?

As a Muslim I would say that its important that they respect everyones religion and would hope that they also have training days for Judaism and other religions also. Sensitivity training for the disabled would also be a good idea.

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>There is less ignorance in the world now. I'll bet that the TSO's already
>knew how to handle a bible, now they know something about the quran.

Agreed. Education will only help them do their jobs.

Again I agree
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Shouldn't all being screened be treated the same?

And what is the proper way to handle a bible?

With respect.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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>So you are for special preferential treatment of groups people based on
>well
>on what?

Age, sex, physical handicaps, things like that.

>And do you know when the special training for the treatment of Christians
>was done?

For most people, during their upbringing (since most people in the US are christian.)

Ok
And for what reason should Muslims get special treatment? (or is there a differnce related to them regarding Age, sex, physical handicaps that are different from people in the rest of the world?)

And what about the non Christians working for the TSA
Shouldnt they get training?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>There is less ignorance in the world now. I'll bet that the TSO's already
>knew how to handle a bible, now they know something about the quran.

Agreed. Education will only help them do their jobs.

Again I agree
but
Shouldn't all being screened be treated the same?

And what is the proper way to handle a bible?

With respect.

Cool
when is this training being offered?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So, a catholic woman does not deserve privacy when being searched, yet a Muslim does?

Different cultures different beliefs.

Like in Iran alcohol is illegal for all Muslims, but Christians are allowed and welcome to have alcohol and many make there own wine.

Yea that’s called understanding other cultures and respecting them.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Its not an either/or scenario, theres no reason why TSA workers can't be trained in sensitivity issues for other religions and groups as well. Theres no reason why other religious bodies can't do the same. If you're that bothered about it why not get in touch with some and get it organised?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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>But why shouldn't eveyone be treated the same?

Because everyone is not the same. "Take your top off" means something different to a woman than to a man. Agents should understand the difference.

So, a catholic woman does not deserve privacy when being searched, yet a Muslim does?

Wh not treat bit with respect? Are they only allowed to be respectful to one woman a day or something?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Its not an either/or scenario, theres no reason why TSA workers can't be trained in sensitivity issues for other religions and groups as well. Theres no reason why other religious bodies can't do the same. If you're that bothered about it why not get in touch with some and get it organised?

Not bothered at all

Just surprised that libs are so bigoted

I mean
Offering special treatment to different groups defined by race, religion or sexual orientation is the definition of bigotry, right?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>There is less ignorance in the world now. I'll bet that the TSO's already
>knew how to handle a bible, now they know something about the quran.

Agreed. Education will only help them do their jobs.

Again I agree
but
Shouldn't all being screened be treated the same?

And what is the proper way to handle a bible?

With respect.

Cool
when is this training being offered?

Ask the TSA.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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>There is less ignorance in the world now. I'll bet that the TSO's already
>knew how to handle a bible, now they know something about the quran.

Agreed. Education will only help them do their jobs.

Again I agree
but
Shouldn't all being screened be treated the same?

And what is the proper way to handle a bible?

With respect.

Cool
when is this training being offered?

Ask the TSA.

I should not have to if they offer equal and fair treatment of all.
Correct?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>There is less ignorance in the world now. I'll bet that the TSO's already
>knew how to handle a bible, now they know something about the quran.

Agreed. Education will only help them do their jobs.

Again I agree
but
Shouldn't all being screened be treated the same?

And what is the proper way to handle a bible?

Back in the day pages from the bible made a good substitute for Rizzlers

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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No, incorrect. For all you know they already do such training, if the media treated all religions equally then you would not have to ask.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Just surprised that libs are so bigoted

Yea when the libs are “bigoted” its when they want to make an exception and allow blind people to bring there dogs in to a place where dogs aren’t allowed.
When conservatives do it they want to abolish my constitutional rights based on NOTHING but fear and ignorance.

I can see the diffrence between understanding and hate sorry you can't.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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>And for what reason should Muslims get special treatment?

They shouldn't be subjected to any different level of search than anyone else, and indeed should be shown the same level of respect as anyone else. Training people on how to treat them respectfully is a good idea, since that varies from culture to culture.

>And what about the non Christians working for the TSA Shouldnt they get
>training?

That would be a good idea as well.

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Just surprised that libs are so bigoted

Yea when the libs are “bigoted” its when they want to make an exception and allow blind people to bring there dogs in to a place where dogs aren’t allowed.
When conservatives do it they want to abolish my constitutional rights based on NOTHING but fear and ignorance.

I can see the diffrence between understanding and hate sorry you can't.

Non starter my friend

Equal and fair treatment is all that is being talked about
Nothing more or less

This tread is about special treatment based on race/religion

Would not be aceptable if the group was white Christians would it
But some fucking how it is supposed to be OK for those who follow a different religion

Nice

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>And for what reason should Muslims get special treatment?

They shouldn't be subjected to any different level of search than anyone else, and indeed should be shown the same level of respect as anyone else. Training people on how to treat them respectfully is a good idea, since that varies from culture to culture.

>And what about the non Christians working for the TSA Shouldnt they get
>training?

That would be a good idea as well.

But that is not what is being done here

Is it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I'm done here

Some true colors were shown here today

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>But that is not what is being done here Is it

Nope, no one has done that yet. If you wanted to start an organization to train TSA agents to better deal with Christians (and perhaps Jews) I'd be all for that. Go for it!

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As for these particular actions by MPAC, is this really any different from the USPA trying to help educate the TSA about skydiving rigs?

Yeah, I'm not seeing anything wrong with it either.

What's the issue?

The Issue??

"Accept our ways".. "Ignore" them...But the rest of "you" law abidding US citizens, keep taking "your " shoes off, and "you" keep walking threw them scanners, But it is against our way /religion...forget "we" are the poeple blowing up your buildings and planes, Just respect "our " religion and "rights" they matter more than "yours"!

Profiling is bad...very baddd...(said in my best Mr. Garrison voice) Liberals are baddddd,,very Baddddd

Well that didn't take very long

Bullshit, with as bad as I type, it took almost 3 minutes!

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"Accept our ways".. "Ignore" them...But the rest of "you" law abidding US citizens, keep taking "your " shoes off, and "you" keep walking threw them scanners, But it is against our way /religion...forget "we" are the poeple blowing up your buildings and planes, Just respect "our " religion and "rights" they matter more than "yours"!

Just so I understand your point, should the TSA not respect anyone's personal feelings/beliefs and try to work within them if possible or is it just the Muslims that they should have no respect for?

As a Muslim I would say that its important that they respect everyones religion and would hope that they also have training days for Judaism and other religions also. Sensitivity training for the disabled would also be a good idea.

Yet they Don't!

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Cool
when is this training being offered?

Ask the TSA.

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Yet they Don't!

First thing that came up with a simple google search http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2010/09/tsa-does-sensitivity-training.html

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

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The training didn't tell them that muslims won't be screened, or would be screened less.

I'll bet that if a nun in a habit is selected for a search that she'd automatically be offered it in a secluded space. Orthodox jewish women have many of the same coverage issues as many covered muslim women.

Not everyone is the same. Respect and politeness say that we should acknowledge that, while getting the necessary tasks done.

Do you speak differently at the DZ from how you do with an older lady? Is that bigotry?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)