ridestrong 1 #1 December 20, 2010 "The ban is part of an agreement between the school and the Nevada office of the American Civil Liberties Union which bars proselytizing or promoting a specific religion. According to VVHS principal Dave Wilson, staff members and anyone representing the school are not allowed to say "Merry Christmas" or to have symbols of Christmas in their classrooms." http://www.mesquitelocalnews.com/viewnews.php?newsid=6828&id=2 -- To ban people from simply saying, "Merry Christmas" to one another is completely irrational. Anyone that is truly offended by that needs their head examined.*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glitch 0 #2 December 20, 2010 I wonder.... how far with this go before someone sues on the grounds of violating the 1st Amendment, either A) Freedom of Speech and/or B) Freedom of Religion. ...and to all you legal beagles out there, why CAN'T there be lawsuits, or can there?Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #3 December 20, 2010 Quote "The ban is part of an agreement between the school and the Nevada office of the American Civil Liberties Union which bars proselytizing or promoting a specific religion. According to VVHS principal Dave Wilson, staff members and anyone representing the school are not allowed to say "Merry Christmas" or to have symbols of Christmas in their classrooms." http://www.mesquitelocalnews.com/viewnews.php?newsid=6828&id=2 -- To ban people from simply saying, "Merry Christmas" to one another is completely irrational. Anyone that is truly offended by that needs their head examined. Are they goiong for the "Biggest Oxymoron" award by limiting free speech in order to promote freedom?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #4 December 20, 2010 Good! It's a War on Christmas! Fight the good fight! Onward atheist soldiers Marching as to war, With a cold Sam Adams barfing at the door. The Spaghetti Monster is real if you are stoned, Keep them all bambooozled and there's nothing to atone! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #5 December 20, 2010 This is stupid. Beside the freedom of speech issue, I'm not sure who/what they're trying to protect. I am Jewish and I don't see why should I get offended if someone says "Merry Xmas" to me. This is stupid. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #6 December 20, 2010 QuoteGood! It's a War on Christmas! Fight the good fight! Onward atheist soldiers Marching as to war, With a cold Sam Adams barfing at the door. The Spaghetti Monster is real if you are stoned, Keep them all bambooozled and there's nothing to atone! Don;t blame the Atheist, Most could care Less..Muslims? Yep..they have a problem with anything Christian.... Athiest have been part of the US forever, the large Muslim population is a recent thing, and now we hear about more of this shit every day! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #7 December 20, 2010 >Don;t blame the Atheist, Most could care Less..Muslims? Yep.. =========== School District Backs Off Christmas Break Change September 2, 2009 After the Freedom of Religion Foundation sent a letter of complaint Aug. 25 on behalf of a school district patron and the Foundation's Michigan members, the Petoskey Board of Education reversed its decision to use the term "Christmas break" on the school calendar . . . . The Foundation is the nation's largest association of freethinkers (atheists, agnostics and skeptics.) ============ Muslims Support Keeping Christ in Christmas by Rob Gifford December 19, 2007 Muslim leaders join the U.K. Commission for Equality and Human Rights in urging Britons to enjoy Christmas, and not worry about offending non-Christians. The urging comes amid reports of schools cancelling nativity plays in order not to offend Muslims and students of other religions. Muslim leaders have joined the head of Britain's Commission on Racial Equality in urging Britons to enjoy Christmas more and stop worrying about offending non-Christians. The calls have come amid reports that schools are canceling Nativity plays in order not to offend Muslims and students of other religions. But as Rob Gifford reports, it is Muslims who are leading the efforts to keep the Christ in Christmas. ============== Looks like atheists could take a lesson or two from Muslims about tolerance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 December 20, 2010 Quote>Don;t blame the Atheist, Most could care Less..Muslims? Yep.. Could NOT care less, bill. "Could care less" implies we care at all.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 December 20, 2010 QuoteThis is stupid. Beside the freedom of speech issue, I'm not sure who/what they're trying to protect. I am Jewish and I don't see why should I get offended if someone says "Merry Xmas" to me. This is stupid. O We really need to get back to basics... and worship the season as they did before judeo-christians took it over. We all need to return to the origins of the season the old school pagan way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #10 December 20, 2010 Quote We really need to get back to basics... and worship the season as they did before judeo-christians took it over. We all need to return to the origins of the season the old school pagan way. Ha, I was just going to say that Christians should be offended by the evergreen trees, lights, and other pagan symbolism which is all around them this time of year."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #11 December 20, 2010 Quote Quote This is stupid. Beside the freedom of speech issue, I'm not sure who/what they're trying to protect. I am Jewish and I don't see why should I get offended if someone says "Merry Xmas" to me. This is stupid. O We really need to get back to basics... and worship the season as they did before judeo-christians took it over. We all need to return to the origins of the season the old school pagan way. orgies?? or did you not mean that far back? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #12 December 20, 2010 >>To ban people from simply saying, "Merry Christmas" to one another is completely irrational. No one is attempting to ban that. Anyone who works for the school can wish anyone else any type of greeting that they want- on their own time. When on the school's time, they are expected to behave as a state employee, and part of that is not endorsing any religion over another. Seems reasonable to me (and the writers of the bill of rights). I propose a simple test to see if a particular greeting violates the first amendment when given by a public (or authority) figure. Just replace the holiday in question with another holiday that is outside of your religion and see what kind of response you get. If it makes the average person raise an eyebrow, then it probably doesn't belong. Teacher's shouldn't be wishing students a Merry Christmas anymore than they should be wishing them a Happy Ramadan. Try that one in a public school and see what happens!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 December 20, 2010 Quote Quote Quote This is stupid. Beside the freedom of speech issue, I'm not sure who/what they're trying to protect. I am Jewish and I don't see why should I get offended if someone says "Merry Xmas" to me. This is stupid. O We really need to get back to basics... and worship the season as they did before judeo-christians took it over. We all need to return to the origins of the season the old school pagan way. orgies?? or did you not mean that far back? Hey Orgies are good... http://blog.prehistoricshamanism.com/115/the-winter-solstice-in-prehistory/ Hey its one way to keep warm this time of year in northern regions, the more people under the hides.. the warmer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #14 December 20, 2010 QuoteQuote>Don;t blame the Atheist, Most could care Less..Muslims? Yep.. Could NOT care less, bill. "Could care less" implies we care at all. Hahaha... that's a pet peeve of mine too. It's, "I couldn't care less" dammit.*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #15 December 20, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote This is stupid. Beside the freedom of speech issue, I'm not sure who/what they're trying to protect. I am Jewish and I don't see why should I get offended if someone says "Merry Xmas" to me. This is stupid. O We really need to get back to basics... and worship the season as they did before judeo-christians took it over. We all need to return to the origins of the season the old school pagan way. orgies?? or did you not mean that far back? Hey Orgies are good... http://blog.prehistoricshamanism.com/115/the-winter-solstice-in-prehistory/ Hey its one way to keep warm this time of year in northern regions, the more people under the hides.. the warmer this http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/12/minnesota-santa-claus-banned-from-head-start-classes-to-avoid-offending-muslims.html is just another stupid attack on christians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 December 20, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote This is stupid. Beside the freedom of speech issue, I'm not sure who/what they're trying to protect. I am Jewish and I don't see why should I get offended if someone says "Merry Xmas" to me. This is stupid. O We really need to get back to basics... and worship the season as they did before judeo-christians took it over. We all need to return to the origins of the season the old school pagan way. orgies?? or did you not mean that far back? Hey Orgies are good... http://blog.prehistoricshamanism.com/115/the-winter-solstice-in-prehistory/ Hey its one way to keep warm this time of year in northern regions, the more people under the hides.. the warmer this http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/12/minnesota-santa-claus-banned-from-head-start-classes-to-avoid-offending-muslims.html is just another stupid attack on christians. Screw the war on Chistmas... what we really need is a War on Stupidity, which we as a country are rapidly loosing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #17 December 20, 2010 Quote>>To ban people from simply saying, "Merry Christmas" to one another is completely irrational. No one is attempting to ban that. Actually that is exactly what they are banning... and it's not just teachers to students, but teacher to teacher or anyone else for that matter employed by the school system. People should be able to wish each other 'merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, quanza' or whatever, where ever they want, when ever they want.*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #18 December 20, 2010 QuoteThe Spaghetti Monster is real if you are stoned, The Flying Spaghetti Monster is real even when you aren't stoned. Prove me wrong. That is the whole point of pastafarianism. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #19 December 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe Spaghetti Monster is real if you are stoned, The Flying Spaghetti Monster is real even when you aren't stoned. Prove me wrong. That is the whole point of pastafarianism. Phalometrically speaking, you may be right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #20 December 20, 2010 QuoteQuote>>To ban people from simply saying, "Merry Christmas" to one another is completely irrational. No one is attempting to ban that. Actually that is exactly what they are banning... and it's not just teachers to students, but teacher to teacher or anyone else for that matter employed by the school system. People should be able to wish each other 'merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, quanza' or whatever, where ever they want, when ever they want. Nice job cherry picking what I wrote and completely missing the point. Student-to-student, fine. Teacher-to-teacher in casual conversation, fine. But as soon as a teacher says Merry Christmas to a student, then a state employee has endorsed one religion over another in state business and that is illegal. Sorry if you think your religion gets a special place because you are in the majority, but you're wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #21 December 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote>>To ban people from simply saying, "Merry Christmas" to one another is completely irrational. No one is attempting to ban that. Actually that is exactly what they are banning... and it's not just teachers to students, but teacher to teacher or anyone else for that matter employed by the school system. People should be able to wish each other 'merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, quanza' or whatever, where ever they want, when ever they want. Nice job cherry picking what I wrote and completely missing the point. Student-to-student, fine. Teacher-to-teacher in casual conversation, fine. But as soon as a teacher says Merry Christmas to a student, then a state employee has endorsed one religion over another in state business and that is illegal. Sorry if you think your religion gets a special place because you are in the majority, but you're wrong. It is simply a common seasonal reference to most - But if you insist . . . Then by all means - next time someone asks you for a Kleenex, you are now forbidden to give them a Puffs. I assume you would sue them for that, right?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #22 December 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote>>To ban people from simply saying, "Merry Christmas" to one another is completely irrational. No one is attempting to ban that. Actually that is exactly what they are banning... and it's not just teachers to students, but teacher to teacher or anyone else for that matter employed by the school system. People should be able to wish each other 'merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, quanza' or whatever, where ever they want, when ever they want. Nice job cherry picking what I wrote and completely missing the point. Student-to-student, fine. Teacher-to-teacher in casual conversation, fine. But as soon as a teacher says Merry Christmas to a student, then a state employee has endorsed one religion over another in state business and that is illegal. Sorry if you think your religion gets a special place because you are in the majority, but you're wrong. Hardly... in your previous statement you clearly support the ban. YOU>> "No one is attempting to ban that. Anyone who works for the school can wish anyone else any type of greeting that they want- on their own time. When on the school's time, they are expected to behave as a state employee, and part of that is not endorsing any religion over another. Seems reasonable to me (and the writers of the bill of rights)." -- I'm saying I think it's ridiculous that teachers etc... (under the ban) aren't even allowed to tell one another 'Merry Christmas' in the school system. And I also said, "People should be able to wish each other 'merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, quanza' or whatever, where ever they want, when ever they want." I'm not putting any one religion in front of another. So you seem to be the one having a difficult time comprehending my statement and seemingly even your own.*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 December 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote>>To ban people from simply saying, "Merry Christmas" to one another is completely irrational. No one is attempting to ban that. Actually that is exactly what they are banning... and it's not just teachers to students, but teacher to teacher or anyone else for that matter employed by the school system. People should be able to wish each other 'merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, quanza' or whatever, where ever they want, when ever they want. Nice job cherry picking what I wrote and completely missing the point. Student-to-student, fine. Teacher-to-teacher in casual conversation, fine. But as soon as a teacher says Merry Christmas to a student, then a state employee has endorsed one religion over another in state business and that is illegal. Sorry if you think your religion gets a special place because you are in the majority, but you're wrong. Nice job cherry-picking your comprehension of the 1st. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" Teacher != Congress Bank teller != Congress School != Congress Bank != Congress Merry Christmas != law respecting an establishment of religion Happy Hannukah != law respecting an establishment of religion Joyous Kwanzaa != law respecting an establishment of religion Glad I could clear that up for you.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #24 December 21, 2010 BTW, Merry Christmas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 December 21, 2010 Quote BTW, Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas to you as well!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
