nanook 1 #426 December 31, 2010 QuoteIt is my contention and sincere belief that an even trade (wages for time) does not produce any "income". The trade was even.Nothing extra was gained. Nope, equal trade of wages for time is still taxabe. And worse, if your wage for time slides on the side of "less equal wage for more time", it is still income. QuoteCan any one find the definition of "income" in the income tax code? No. Can you find the definition of "Natural Rights" in the Bill of Rights?_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #427 December 31, 2010 "Barter" rules Trade or business and, of course, Earned Income We defer to the defendant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #428 December 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'm not a citizen of the corporate entity "the United States" which was formed in a bancruptcy during the Nixon administration. I'm a citizen of the "united states of America". 1. The Supreme Court called the U. S. a "Corporation" in 1896. It also said the legal definition of a "foreign corporation" is different from the colloquial use of the phrase. 2. The U. S never went into bankrupcy. Is this some emotional plea? Are you talking, perhaps, about the strikedown of the Bretton Woods Act? 3. I have some T-Bills (fuck!!). . .that means I own you. Now give me some water and I need to use your studio apt. to house my feral cat collection when I go on vacation. See. . .I can twist words till it conforms to my agenda too. Could you provide us with the definition of "foreign corporation " from the tax code? How about the definition of "tax payer" from the tax code? See.., these "definitions " alter what you may have percieved. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings through Enlightenment and Understanding, "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #429 December 31, 2010 Quote "Barter" rules Trade or business and, of course, Earned Income We defer to the defendant. What you place as an exhibit isn't a part of the tax code. It's an instructional page from the IRS itself. It is not law and carries no weight of law. We want to see the law! Show us the specific rule of law which requires you,normiss to file and pay income tax. Not some abstraction like has been posted here in the past. Show us the Law which spells out exactly who must file and define the terms in the statement. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings through Enlightenment and Understanding, "Treetop",a.k.a.LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #430 December 31, 2010 "foreign corporation gimicks" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #431 December 31, 2010 Could you provide the definition of "rights" in the Bill of Rights?_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #432 December 31, 2010 Quote"foreign corporation gimicks" Right off the bat that instructional pamphlet mentions the "tax payer". Have you looked to see how "taxpayer" is defined in the tax code? Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings, "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #433 December 31, 2010 Quote You do the math perfessor. So YOU invented the number and can't justify it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #434 December 31, 2010 Not at all. You mentioned the amount with no numbers to back it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #435 December 31, 2010 QuoteCould you provide the definition of "rights" in the Bill of Rights? The "Bill of Rights" doesn't actually exist. It's a term(bill of rights) used to describe the first ten ammendments to the USA s' Constitution. As such each of those ammendments define certain Rights of the individual or state. Put another way, they limit the power of government. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings through Enlightenment and Understanding, "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #436 December 31, 2010 QuoteNot at all. You mentioned the amount with no numbers to back it up. I mentioned "a ton of money". You seem to have invented $90M in post 321 of this thread..... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #437 December 31, 2010 I'm not doing your homework simply because you cannot define a term that you used. (tat) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #438 December 31, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Did you lie or has anyone stated they want to keep all their money from the gov IE: pay no taxes Well? All those who claim taxes = theft are implicitly making that claim. Maybe if that was the claim but you leave out the context as usual a half truth You show me dear sir Where has anyone here ever stated they do not want to pay any tax at all? And do it in the context of the thread You will not be able to So you support the lie Amazon made and then you perpetuate it Shameful So in addition to hating the Constitution you also support theft. Interesting. You are takeing posting lessons from dreamy now? Your desperation is show John You just livin the lie I guess Did you fail to read the many "taxes = theft" posts from those of your ilk? Anyone supporting ANY taxes and subscribing to that position, is supporting theft. Your own words show the contradiction in your position and your total inability to make a logical post. Nice John nice john yes there you go Yet another situation where you are unable to respond factually or logically.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #439 December 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteCould you provide the definition of "rights" in the Bill of Rights? The "Bill of Rights" doesn't actually exist. It's a term(bill of rights) used to describe the first ten ammendments to the USA s' Constitution. As such each of those ammendments define certain Rights. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings through Enlightenment and Understanding, "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY So, show where the word 'right' is defined in any of them, or 'people', or 'state', or 'congress'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #440 December 31, 2010 "logocally" WTF is that? A crazy Mexican from California? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #441 December 31, 2010 QuoteI'm not doing your homework simply because you cannot define a term that you used. (tat) Translation - you have nothing except typos to fall back on.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #442 December 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteIt is my contention and sincere belief that an even trade (wages for time) does not produce any "income". The trade was even.Nothing extra was gained. Nope, equal trade of wages for time is still taxabe. And worse, if your wage for time slides on the side of "less equal wage for more time", it is still income. QuoteCan any one find the definition of "income" in the income tax code? No. Can you find the definition of "Natural Rights" in the Bill of Rights? Listen, if you can't find the definition to the word"income" (in the law),how can you be so sure that fair trade of time for wages constitutes income? Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings (damn I like that blessing! it's a "Treetop" original ya' know! Oh yeah, the trade mark is pending but in the mean time feel free to use it at will. So much better than the worn out "Blue Skies" and the overly cryptic "Blue Skies, Black Death". What's that you say? My blessing sounds a bit gay? That's alright! Now I can join the military!!! "Treetop" a.k.a.LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #443 December 31, 2010 Har. Not even. If you really care, you'd be capable of doing the work to figure it out. It's very simple really. Depending on the time in economic history you chose to start you work could add even more fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #444 December 31, 2010 Quote Har. Not even. If you really care, you'd be capable of doing the work to figure it out. It's very simple really. Depending on the time in economic history you chose to start you work could add even more fun. You make too many assumptions. Who said anything about it being in $100 bills? Electron mass is only 9.11E-31kg.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #445 December 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteCould you provide the definition of "rights" in the Bill of Rights? The "Bill of Rights" doesn't actually exist. It's a term(bill of rights) used to describe the first ten ammendments to the USA s' Constitution. As such each of those ammendments define certain Rights. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings through Enlightenment and Understanding, "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY So, show where the word 'right' is defined in any of them, or 'people', or 'state', or 'congress'. It's simply not there mnealtx. Now I'm pretty sure that Congress is defined in the Constitution. I think this lack of definitions was an oversight by the Founding Fathers and the primary reason that many of our Rights,especially our second ammendment Rights, so often are lest up to the discretion of the seated Supreme Court. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings, "Treetop"a.k.a.LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #446 December 31, 2010 You said money, not electrons or speed of electrons in orbit nor the curvature of that orbit. Translating monetary weights into gravity acceleration? Changing subject to suit you AGAIN. Feigning surprise here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #447 December 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCould you provide the definition of "rights" in the Bill of Rights? The "Bill of Rights" doesn't actually exist. It's a term(bill of rights) used to describe the first ten ammendments to the USA s' Constitution. As such each of those ammendments define certain Rights. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings through Enlightenment and Understanding, "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY So, show where the word 'right' is defined in any of them, or 'people', or 'state', or 'congress'. It's simply not there mnealtx. Now I'm pretty sure that Congress is defined in the Constitution. I think this lack of definitions was an oversight by the Founding Fathers and the primary reason that many of our Rights,especially our second ammendment Rights, so often are lest up to the discretion of the seated Supreme Court. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings, "Treetop"a.k.a.LORD OF THE SKY Or, maybe they thought that people would be smart enough to look up words like "income" when they come across them, instead of demanding the definitions be buried within the code of law itself every time they appear.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #448 December 31, 2010 Yes, but can you find the definition of "Rights" on there?_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #449 December 31, 2010 Quote Or, maybe they thought that people would be smart enough to look up words like "income" when they come across them, instead of demanding the definitions be buried within the code of law itself every time they appear. That may be mnealtx, the sad fact is that words are often defined differently,within the legislation, than their common colloquial definition. So do you want to find the definition of words like "taxpayer" and "income" within the tax code or would you rather continue to argue from a base of ignorance? Don't forget, according to the tax code I don't live in a state. Georgia and Texas aren't states according to the definitions of the tax code. You and I would think that of course we live in a state. Legislative definitions are often far different than what we might assume the definition of a word to be. Blue Skies, Black Death(LOL! I thought that might appeal to you! Just Kidding) Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings mnealtx, for you and yours. "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #450 December 31, 2010 QuoteSo do you want to find the definition of words like "taxpayer" and "income" within the tax code or would you rather continue to argue from a base of ignorance? You know you just proved my point, right? Quote Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings mnealtx, for you and yours. And the same to you and yours.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
