dreamdancer 0 #226 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteyou're a poet? One would never know it. it wasn't that bad...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #227 December 28, 2010 Quote i live the dream - what do you do? Pay a lot more in taxes than you do. Have close to 3,000 jumps in about half the time you do. Follow the big ways...travel, raise a family, build a business. Your "dream" is great but unless you did something before you lived the dream you aren't passing much on to anyone so to judge others for how they feel about something that DOES effect them but not you is silly. You aren't in there shoes. Sure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. Good thing that the top 10% are living a dream that pays 70% of the taxes.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #228 December 28, 2010 QuoteSure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. you can wriggle as much as you want but if you think otherwise you are in the democratic minority.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #229 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteSure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. you can wriggle as much as you want but if you think otherwise you are in the democratic minority. Do you pay the same percentage as they do or are you just jealous and want to pay less because you don't want to work smart enough or don't have what it takes to make yourself that kind of money. With your mind set, I would bet Five gets you fifty, that if you had that kind of money that you are calling "Super Rich" you would be holding onto it tighter than the ones that actually have it are.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #230 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteSure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. you can wriggle as much as you want but if you think otherwise you are in the democratic minority. Do you pay the same percentage as they do or are you just jealous and want to pay less because you don't want to work smart enough or don't have what it takes to make yourself that kind of money. With your mind set, I would bet Five gets you fifty, that if you had that kind of money that you are calling "Super Rich" you would be holding onto it tighter than the ones that actually have it are. doubling the inheritance tax won't affect you - why are you whining so much on behalf of the super rich?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #231 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. you can wriggle as much as you want but if you think otherwise you are in the democratic minority. Do you pay the same percentage as they do or are you just jealous and want to pay less because you don't want to work smart enough or don't have what it takes to make yourself that kind of money. With your mind set, I would bet Five gets you fifty, that if you had that kind of money that you are calling "Super Rich" you would be holding onto it tighter than the ones that actually have it are. doubling the inheritance tax won't affect you - why are you whining so much on behalf of the super rich? Why are you avoiding the questions I asked? What makes you think that it won't?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #232 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. you can wriggle as much as you want but if you think otherwise you are in the democratic minority. Do you pay the same percentage as they do or are you just jealous and want to pay less because you don't want to work smart enough or don't have what it takes to make yourself that kind of money. With your mind set, I would bet Five gets you fifty, that if you had that kind of money that you are calling "Super Rich" you would be holding onto it tighter than the ones that actually have it are. doubling the inheritance tax won't affect you - why are you whining so much on behalf of the super rich? Why are you avoiding the questions I asked? What makes you think that it won't? you're never going to be one of the super rich - so why jump to their constant defense. surely they have enough banked already to look after themselves without your whining on their behalf?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #233 December 28, 2010 Ahh I know better than to get in the mud with a pig but..... Quote it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. Somewhere in this thread have the "super rich" been pegged? As I understand it the tx kicks in a single 5 mil and joint 10 mil. So for you and I can I assumn that 10 mil is your idea of the "super rich" Living "the dream" your right that is super rich. Working hard for 40 years it is doable to have an estate of over that much. I bet your think Buffet super rich but the tax that is being dicussed is as I stated above. BTW Just who is it so obvious to? Seems that it's real obvious to you that anyone that made it should just give it up and be happy. I could give examples as others have that would apply to you but you wouldn't even try to look at them. I got to try..... Why don't you pay your packer more than the going rate? They certainly work harder - a LOT harder than you. You might say that you educated yourself and work hard....but the truth is (I bet) you don't want to give them a damn penny more. Just add zero's to that math and you'll be were us folks that aren't "living the dream" are. "Living the dream" man that gave me a great laugh...it really did.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #234 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. you can wriggle as much as you want but if you think otherwise you are in the democratic minority. Do you pay the same percentage as they do or are you just jealous and want to pay less because you don't want to work smart enough or don't have what it takes to make yourself that kind of money. With your mind set, I would bet Five gets you fifty, that if you had that kind of money that you are calling "Super Rich" you would be holding onto it tighter than the ones that actually have it are. doubling the inheritance tax won't affect you - why are you whining so much on behalf of the super rich? Why are you avoiding the questions I asked? What makes you think that it won't? you're never going to be one of the super rich - so why jump to their constant defense. surely they have enough banked already to look after themselves without your whining on their behalf? I noticed that you avoided my original question. To aswer you: I think it is morally wrong to steal from people. I stand wholly against that act of piracy. Unless you or your family have worked for that money you are not entitled to it. The issue here is that you think you are entitled to it. Maybe by government welfare systems, but you want it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #235 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteSure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. you can wriggle as much as you want but if you think otherwise you are in the democratic minority. Again, who is us? I am not rich I think your position is full of crap"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #236 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. you can wriggle as much as you want but if you think otherwise you are in the democratic minority. Do you pay the same percentage as they do or are you just jealous and want to pay less because you don't want to work smart enough or don't have what it takes to make yourself that kind of money. With your mind set, I would bet Five gets you fifty, that if you had that kind of money that you are calling "Super Rich" you would be holding onto it tighter than the ones that actually have it are. doubling the inheritance tax won't affect you - why are you whining so much on behalf of the super rich? Wrong, it will affect me. Increasing gov power affects us all. And not in a good way"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #237 December 28, 2010 Quote it is morally wrong to steal from people. I stand wholly against that act of piracy. whew... lucky we're talking about inheritance tax then and not theft stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #238 December 28, 2010 Quote Quote it is morally wrong to steal from people. I stand wholly against that act of piracy. whew... lucky we're talking about inheritance tax then and not theft My original question - which you are avoiding answering" Quote Do you pay the same percentage as they do or are you just jealous and want to pay less because you don't want to work smart enough or don't have what it takes to make yourself that kind of money. Inheritance tax is piracy. It's Robin Hood thinking It's wrong.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #239 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. you can wriggle as much as you want but if you think otherwise you are in the democratic minority. Do you pay the same percentage as they do or are you just jealous and want to pay less because you don't want to work smart enough or don't have what it takes to make yourself that kind of money. With your mind set, I would bet Five gets you fifty, that if you had that kind of money that you are calling "Super Rich" you would be holding onto it tighter than the ones that actually have it are. doubling the inheritance tax won't affect you - why are you whining so much on behalf of the super rich? Wrong, it will affect me. i agree that if the super rich pay more tax you'll have to pay less.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #240 December 28, 2010 Quote Quote Quote it is morally wrong to steal from people. I stand wholly against that act of piracy. whew... lucky we're talking about inheritance tax then and not theft My original question - which you are avoiding answering" Quote Do you pay the same percentage as they do or are you just jealous and want to pay less because you don't want to work smart enough or don't have what it takes to make yourself that kind of money. Inheritance tax is piracy. It's Robin Hood thinking It's wrong. When one takes a principled position it feels obvious to why. What we have here is an individual who does not think or function from a position backed by principal. You and I think that it is wrong to take money from my family or your family via a death tax. No matter how small I would bet dreamer feels the same Here is where the positions diverge however. He is able to justify somehow in his own mind that taking from the “super rich” (what ever the hell that is) because he thinks that have too much to begin with. (in reality it is as simple as they just have more than him and his take from and give to me mentality would fly for anyone with more than him. He is smart enough however to know that would never fly so extend it to a smaller easier target, the “super rich”) You and I however know that it is not just wrong to take from those who are not super rich, but from everyone. This is a principled view and position. When one lacks principal, debates like this ensue. So, until HE defines what constitutes being super rich and, who his “us majority” is, he hides his position As many progressive/libs do"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #241 December 28, 2010 QuoteInheritance tax is piracy. It's Robin Hood thinking It's wrong. the super rich not paying their fair share of taxes - and their children not doing enough of the work is wrong. that's what the majority of us think.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #242 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. it is obvious to the majority of us that the super rich (and their children) do not pay their fair share of taxes. you can wriggle as much as you want but if you think otherwise you are in the democratic minority. Do you pay the same percentage as they do or are you just jealous and want to pay less because you don't want to work smart enough or don't have what it takes to make yourself that kind of money. With your mind set, I would bet Five gets you fifty, that if you had that kind of money that you are calling "Super Rich" you would be holding onto it tighter than the ones that actually have it are. doubling the inheritance tax won't affect you - why are you whining so much on behalf of the super rich? Wrong, it will affect me. i agree that if the super rich pay more tax you'll have to pay less. And here you make another mistake that backs my ppoint. Show me an example where others paid less when the gov took more from someone? You cant do it you just cant stand that someone has what you think you deserve And you are will to let a gov steal it for you Makes you feel good Right?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #243 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteInheritance tax is piracy. It's Robin Hood thinking It's wrong. the super rich not paying their fair share of taxes - and their children not doing enough of the work is wrong. that's what the majority of us think. Again who is this majority you claim to be in? Please define"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #244 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteInheritance tax is piracy. It's Robin Hood thinking It's wrong. the super rich not paying their fair share of taxes - and their children not doing enough of the work is wrong. that's what the majority of us think. 1) Who is "us"? 2) Why won't you answer my question of wether or not you pay the same percentage of taxes that they (Your Super Rich) already pay? 3) What is a fair share? You seem to be lacking in definitions and details here.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #245 December 28, 2010 QuoteHe is able to justify somehow in his own mind that taking from the “super rich” (what ever the hell that is) because he thinks that have too much to begin with. (in reality it is as simple as they just have more than him and his take from and give to me mentality would fly for anyone with more than him. sounds like you've been having discussions with a psychiatrist...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #246 December 28, 2010 QuoteWarren Buffett, the third-richest man in the world, has criticised the US tax system for allowing him to pay a lower rate than his secretary and his cleaner. Speaking at a $4,600-a-seat fundraiser in New York for Senator Hillary Clinton, Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52 billion (£26 billion), said: “The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you’re in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent.” Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent. Mr Buffett told his audience, which included John Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley, and Alan Patricof, the founder of the US branch of Apax Partners, that US government policy had accentuated a disparity of wealth that hurt the economy by stifling opportunity and motivation. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ecestay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #247 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteHe is able to justify somehow in his own mind that taking from the “super rich” (what ever the hell that is) because he thinks that have too much to begin with. (in reality it is as simple as they just have more than him and his take from and give to me mentality would fly for anyone with more than him. sounds like you've been having discussions with a psychiatrist... Dont know one But I will help you find one that may be able to help you get over your jealousy problem. Now again Please define who this us majority to keep referring to is."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #248 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteInheritance tax is piracy. It's Robin Hood thinking It's wrong. the super rich not paying their fair share of taxes - and their children not doing enough of the work is wrong. that's what the majority of us think. I'd like to hear your definition of "fair share" that the super rich should pay.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #249 December 28, 2010 QuoteMr Buffett said that a Republican proposal to eliminate elements of inheritance tax, which raises about $30 billion a year from the assets of about 12,000 rich families, would broaden the disparity between rich and poor. He added that the Republicans would seek to recover lost revenue by increasing taxes for the less prosperous. He said: “You could take that $30 billion and give $1,000 to 30 million poor families. Or should you favour the 12,000 estates and make 30 million families pay an extra $1,000?” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ecestay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #250 December 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteMr Buffett said that a Republican proposal to eliminate elements of inheritance tax, which raises about $30 billion a year from the assets of about 12,000 rich families, would broaden the disparity between rich and poor. He added that the Republicans would seek to recover lost revenue by increasing taxes for the less prosperous. He said: “You could take that $30 billion and give $1,000 to 30 million poor families. Or should you favour the 12,000 estates and make 30 million families pay an extra $1,000?” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece Put it in your perspective Who is this us majority you keep posting and What defines the super rich to you? Come on dude You can do it!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
