jgoose71 0 #1 January 1, 2011 The Chinese have finished the Dong Feng 21D. They say it can take out a U.S. Carrier. It doesn't have all the necessary support yet to target as well as they want to, but it is still supposed to be effective and the rest of the required infrastructure is being built. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3e69c85a-1264-11e0-b4c8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz19oR8XlLE As I am sure everyone remembers, international law says that borders extend out from coasts 12 miles. China has been trying to claim the 200 mile commercial boundaries as sovereign territory. Trying to enforce this policy is what lead to the 1999 indecent where the P-3 was rammed by a Chinese F-5 fighter. They are hoping that with this missile they will be able to force U.S. Carriers out of the region. Once this happens, I don't think we will be able to promise Taiwan it's independence anymore. [Hypnosis spinning wheel]China is our friend. Keep borrowing money from them.[/Hypnosis spinning wheel]"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 January 1, 2011 China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #3 January 1, 2011 Quote China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Do you realize how many Billions of men are there in China?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 January 1, 2011 Quote Quote China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Do you realize how many Billions of men are there in China? Yeah.. and there millions of them who are also frustrated sexually because there are less women because girl babies by the millions were aborted so that the "conservative" traditional parents wanted sones and not daughters because the government instituted population control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #5 January 1, 2011 Quote Quote Quote China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Do you realize how many Billions of men are there in China? Yeah.. and there millions of them who are also frustrated sexually because there are less women because girl babies by the millions were aborted so that the "conservative" traditional parents wanted sones and not daughters because the government instituted population control. Your point? Are you saying that the sexually repressed Chinese are coming to get you?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 January 1, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Do you realize how many Billions of men are there in China? Yeah.. and there millions of them who are also frustrated sexually because there are less women because girl babies by the millions were aborted so that the "conservative" traditional parents wanted sones and not daughters because the government instituted population control. Your point? Are you saying that the sexually repressed Chinese are coming to get you? Nah I am not gonna obsess over Chinese Hordes like the right wing is doing. As far as the other thing though its a common theme... men doing stupid shit because they cant get laid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #7 January 1, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Do you realize how many Billions of men are there in China? Yeah.. and there millions of them who are also frustrated sexually because there are less women because girl babies by the millions were aborted so that the "conservative" traditional parents wanted sones and not daughters because the government instituted population control. Your point? Are you saying that the sexually repressed Chinese are coming to get you? Now that is a mental picture that will stay with me for months!Last months Popular Mechanics had a break down on thier weapons and capabilities, they have had these missle for quiet a while.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #8 January 1, 2011 Quote Quote Quote China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Do you realize how many Billions of men are there in China? Yeah.. and there millions of them who are also frustrated sexually because there are less women because girl babies by the millions were aborted so that the "conservative" traditional parents wanted sones and not daughters because the government instituted population control. And the little girls they don't kill are "adopted" for huge fees.MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 January 1, 2011 Quote Quote Quote China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Do you realize how many Billions of men are there in China? Yeah.. and there millions of them who are also frustrated sexually because there are less women because girl babies by the millions were aborted so that the "conservative" traditional parents wanted sones and not daughters because the government instituted population control. So perhaps not a good idea to fuck with the sexually frustrated?! The carrier has always had this flaw - it's a huge multi billion that is a risk to multi million dollar missiles that fly 50 times faster. But China shooting one down would be pretty close to China nuking a target. If it's firing them off, we're (the world) already in a lousy situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #10 January 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Do you realize how many Billions of men are there in China? Yeah.. and there millions of them who are also frustrated sexually because there are less women because girl babies by the millions were aborted so that the "conservative" traditional parents wanted sones and not daughters because the government instituted population control. Your point? Are you saying that the sexually repressed Chinese are coming to get you? Nah I am not gonna obsess over Chinese Hordes like the right wing is doing. As far as the other thing though its a common theme... men doing stupid shit because they cant get laid. You actually think that the "Great and Benevolent Chinese leaders" go without? They get their fair share same as the rest of the country. Since they have so much responsibility on their shoulders, their fair share is adjusted accordingly. (This message was brought to you by the great and powerful chinese hypno-toad)"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #11 January 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Do you realize how many Billions of men are there in China? Yeah.. and there millions of them who are also frustrated sexually because there are less women because girl babies by the millions were aborted so that the "conservative" traditional parents wanted sones and not daughters because the government instituted population control. Your point? Are you saying that the sexually repressed Chinese are coming to get you? Now that is a mental picture that will stay with me for months!Last months Popular Mechanics had a break down on thier weapons and capabilities, they have had these missle for quiet a while.. Well, they have been working on them for a while. Now they are operational. The only thing that is lacking is more satellites for their guidance system. Don't for a minute think that the Chinese are our friends."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #12 January 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote China gave North Korea the bomb just to fuck with US. Maybe US should give Taiwan the bomb just to fuck with China. Do you realize how many Billions of men are there in China? Yeah.. and there millions of them who are also frustrated sexually because there are less women because girl babies by the millions were aborted so that the "conservative" traditional parents wanted sones and not daughters because the government instituted population control. So perhaps not a good idea to fuck with the sexually frustrated?! The carrier has always had this flaw - it's a huge multi billion that is a risk to multi million dollar missiles that fly 50 times faster. But China shooting one down would be pretty close to China nuking a target. If it's firing them off, we're (the world) already in a lousy situation. It's always going to be cheaper to kill people and break things than it is to build things and protect them, entropy being as it is. Regarding potential reactions to the use of such a missile, I don't think they're looking to sink the carrier. If they were gonna do that, as you say, they may as well just nuke the whole battle group. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #13 January 2, 2011 That is precisely why they have an entire fleet of support ships that create an electronic globe of over 600nm of protection. They're going to have to get past those first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #14 January 2, 2011 The missile has a range of ~1700 miles, and does not fly horizontally like one would expect. It is a ballistic missile and falls approximately vertically from sub-orbital altitude. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 January 2, 2011 Quote The missile has a range of ~1700 miles, and does not fly horizontally like one would expect. It is a ballistic missile and falls approximately vertically from sub-orbital altitude. Uh-oh....that might be a problem. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #16 January 2, 2011 So you're expecting the ring of ships with electronic globes around each, with multiple systems to detect, respond, and react to that to fail? I seriously doubt it. SERIOUSLY. Not that I know know any top secret capabilities or anything. I can neither confirm nor deny any capabilities our Navy has, only acknowledge the capability exists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 January 2, 2011 My cousin (ex-boomer) gave me that response when I asked him just *how* close Clancy was in describing the boats.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #18 January 2, 2011 Quote My cousin (ex-boomer) gave me that response when I asked him just *how* close Clancy was in describing the boats. Well at least you know he doesn't run Wikileaks.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #19 January 2, 2011 Quote So you're expecting the ring of ships with electronic globes around each, with multiple systems to detect, respond, and react to that to fail? I seriously doubt it. SERIOUSLY. Not that I know know any top secret capabilities or anything. I can neither confirm nor deny any capabilities our Navy has, only acknowledge the capability exists. We will know about a launch pretty much right when it happens because we have satellites watching for such things. There might be time for a carrier to move out of the way once the trajectory of the warhead is known. My guess is 5 minutes or so lead time. Best bet is to shoot it down, but all we're allowed to use are slingshots. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 January 2, 2011 we can talk about secret super technology....or we can look at recent naval losses to enemies with inferior capabilities of the Chinese. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #21 January 2, 2011 Seriously though. The initial versions of the Dong Feng's took THIRTY YEARS to deliver. This version is still conventional warhead. This news is five months old. Still an untested design as well. Meanwhile, the US is actively developing counter measures. The US bases within strike range would be a much more serious threat and risk than any ships at sea. Economically, China would not strike us. It would kill them. Unless we were to ever call their bluff on debt anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #22 January 2, 2011 QuoteSeriously though. The initial versions of the Dong Feng's took THIRTY YEARS to deliver. This version is still conventional warhead. This news is five months old. Still an untested design as well. Meanwhile, the US is actively developing counter measures. The US bases within strike range would be a much more serious threat and risk than any ships at sea. Economically, China would not strike us. It would kill them. Unless we were to ever call their bluff on debt anyway. I don't think it's a big deal. We can probably get a carrier out of the way in time. There is nothing special about their missile, other than the fact that it was developed by a shithole third-world country. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #23 January 2, 2011 So you're saying Hyundai and Daewoo make shit for ships? Agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 January 2, 2011 QuoteI don't think it's a big deal. We can probably get a carrier out of the way in time. There is nothing special about their missile, other than the fact that it was developed by a shithole third-world country. From Wiki on the DF-21D: "These would combine maneuverable reentry vehicles (MaRVs) with some kind of terminal guidance system" I think I'd rather err on the side of caution...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 January 2, 2011 QuoteSo you're saying Hyundai and Daewoo make shit for ships? Agreed. Uh no. I'm recollecting how successful our defenses were for the Stark. Lower tech weapons took down the Cole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
