turtlespeed 220 #1 January 4, 2011 . . . I mean - it's ok to have one way of lifestyle that is different from the norm, right? Is it just that people really need to be that argumentative and Faith is an easy target? Are the same people that disagree with faith the same people that condemn homosexuality or alternative lifestyles? Are the same people that condemn faith practices the same ones that agree with the right to choose abortion? Are the same people that condemn faith based anything the same ones that would in the same breath tell us that we should live and let live? Why is faith so strongly criticised. The next time someone says something like - Belief in "Whatever" is wrong, will you stand up and fight against that? Or are you the hypocrite that I am talking about right now?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #2 January 4, 2011 Too many questions...it made me dizzy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #3 January 4, 2011 Quote Too many questions...it made me dizzy! WHY does that not surprise me?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #4 January 4, 2011 As an agnostic I do believe in "Freedom of Religion" where people are allowed to practice their religious beliefs free from being persecuted by others. But I also believe in "Freedom from Religion" where people keep their religious beliefs to themselves. However I am a strong believer of personal freedoms and you will notice that many (not all) atheists who believe in social engineering are the biggest violators of "Freedom of Religion" as these people seem to think everyone must be engineered into being the same person as they are. I honestly do NOT understand how religious people can be so certain that they are 100% correct in their beliefs, just as I honestly do NOT understand how atheists can be 100% certain there is no God(s). The Universe is an awful big place which is beyond my agnostic comprehension and if we are alone out there (as the "Burble" says we are) it is an awful waste of space. In summary (generic comments not directed at one person): - Let people believe in what they believe in. - Don't force your beliefs on others. - Stop trying to socially engineer me into being something I am not. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 January 4, 2011 well, I can't add to that ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #6 January 4, 2011 I am one of those Christians who believes that people should live and let live...whether you're straight or gay or whatever. Women should have a right to elective abortion, regardless of her reasons. And I can't understand why non-believers are so dead set on trying to change my beliefs. There's something wrong with people like that...lol. linz -- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #7 January 4, 2011 What he said Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #8 January 4, 2011 QuoteI mean - it's ok to have one way of lifestyle that is different from the norm, right? Yes as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. QuoteIs it just that people really need to be that argumentative and Faith is an easy target? Yes, and Yes. I do find it comical when I see atheist speak with absolute certainty that takes some faith. I find it comical whenever anyone says they are sure and they know the way, when it is not possible to be sure. QuoteAre the same people that disagree with faith the same people that condemn homosexuality or alternative lifestyles? No most of the people who have an issue with gay people are either in the closet or extremely religious. I have yet to see too many people who disagree with faith have an issue with gays. QuoteAre the same people that condemn faith practices the same ones that agree with the right to choose abortion? Not necessarily. I think some people pretend to know things that others don’t. I don’t know when a life becomes a humane life. Let the people make there decisions and guess what if they were wrong they will burn in hell or whatever god decides to do to them. QuoteAre the same people that condemn faith based anything the same ones that would in the same breath tell us that we should live and let live? Fascism is fascism. That’s why it is better to let people do what they want as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others. QuoteWhy is faith so strongly criticised IMHO- in this country and countries where Science has been at ends with religion they seem to not be able to compromise in ideas. In countries where science is looked as the answer to the why, where the complexity of life is seen as more reason to believe in God there is not this head-butting that we see here. Again I think its impossible for anyone to prove anything, and any one who says they know does not. They simply have chosen to believe or not. QuoteThe next time someone says something like - Belief in "Whatever" is wrong, will you stand up and fight against that? No because anyone who thinks or knows they are sure is not someone I want to have a conversation with. No point in arguing with a coffee table right? no matter what side there on. QuoteOr are you the hypocrite that I am talking about right now? No, I might be a lot of things but a hypocrite is not one of them. Faith is difficult as it means different things to different people. My Faith has thought me that Judgment is for God and only God. So I do not believe I am worthy of judging. At the same time the same words have convinced others that they not only judge they are the jury and executioner. Same words seem to mean different things to different people. its a crazy crazy world. The good news. We will find out soon enough all of us. Death awaits us all Thank God for that.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #9 January 4, 2011 Don't ask, don't tell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #10 January 4, 2011 QuoteDon't ask, don't tell. I prefer, "Don't give a shit, Don't care"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #11 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteDon't ask, don't tell. I prefer, "Don't give a shit, Don't care"! Then why does it make you so angry to hear about it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #12 January 4, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Don't ask, don't tell. I prefer, "Don't give a shit, Don't care"! Then why does it make you so angry to hear about it? HUH???? where am I angry about it? Hell, I am surrounded by religion, My inlaws make their living off the church! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #13 January 4, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Don't ask, don't tell. I prefer, "Don't give a shit, Don't care"! Then why does it make you so angry to hear about it? HUH???? where am I angry about it? Hell, I am surrounded by religion, My inlaws make their living off the church! Oh yeah! Forgot what the thread was about, was thinking about the other don't askDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #14 January 4, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Don't ask, don't tell. I prefer, "Don't give a shit, Don't care"! Then why does it make you so angry to hear about it? HUH???? where am I angry about it? Hell, I am surrounded by religion, My inlaws make their living off the church! Oh yeah! Forgot what the thread was about, was thinking about the other don't ask I don;t care about Faggots either, But think flammers have no business in Uniform, any more than a longhair does! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #15 January 4, 2011 >But think flammers have no business in Uniform I guess you give a shit and you care, then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 January 4, 2011 Because having no faith is a much a religion as Christian faith (or any belief for that matter)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #17 January 4, 2011 Quote>But think flammers have no business in Uniform I guess you give a shit and you care, then. Don't you? Do you want to see limp wristed soldiers? You think that is OK? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #18 January 4, 2011 QuoteBecause having no faith is a much a religion as Christian faith (or any belief for that matter) I have total "faith" in myself! Seems many of religion, find that hard to understand! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #19 January 4, 2011 QuoteBecause having no faith is a much a religion as Christian faith (or any belief for that matter) I have total "faith" in myself! Seems many of religion, find that hard to understand! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #20 January 4, 2011 Twice even..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteBecause having no faith is a much a religion as Christian faith (or any belief for that matter) I have total "faith" in myself! Seems many of religion, find that hard to understand! Of course everyone (and yes I mean everyone) has a belief of one kind or another Many will defend that belief vigorously whether an argument for or against a god (or anything else) Regardless, both sides argue a faith (I see no difference)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #22 January 4, 2011 QuoteDo you want to see limp wristed soldiers? Limp wristed soldiers should be allowed to serve their country if this is what they want to do. Being limp wristed (as well as their transgendered cousins) is NOT a life choice, it is something people are born with. But one thing that does give me the "he-bee-gee-bees" is the thought of two men having anal sex and well that is something you don't want to have going on in the barracks or anywhere else in the military theater. BTW ... how did Limb wristers get into this "faith" thread? Don't ask, don't tell should apply in more than one place. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 318 #23 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuote>But think flammers have no business in Uniform I guess you give a shit and you care, then. Don't you? Do you want to see limp wristed soldiers? You think that is OK? I walk with a swish and wear skirts & high heels. I'm still a damn fine Marine (if I do say so myself). And yes, in my younger days I could have been infantry, and at 40+ I can still carry my buddies over my shoulder just fine. Don't care who anyone else wants to sleep with, just as long as they keep it and their thoughts to themselves (out of the workplace). It's the same with religion. I don't care what anyone else wants to believe, just as long as they don't try to force their practices on me (and I do the same).See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #24 January 4, 2011 >Do you want to see limp wristed soldiers? You think that is OK? Why not? Limp wristed, nine fingered, bald-headed, stiff-backed - fine with me. Heck, I'd even be for the military taking tattooed filthy smelly bikers. If they want to serve and can do a good job in an area that we need them, then they should be welcomed into the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #25 January 4, 2011 In an attempt to get back on topic. I think people get upset about faith for a number of reasons, including: - when it is rammed down people's throats whether or it is wanted. - the fact that by it's very nature, faith is required as an alternative to proof, and many people have an "evidence-based" outlook on life. - because many atrocities are committed in the name of faith. My own opinion is that there is no solid evidence that God exists, or that He/She doesn't - therefore having a solid belief in either position is not supported. My leaning is towards not believing, but I am prepared to be proved wrong. I don't see a parallel between this question and that of homophobia and racism. It requires no faith to know that gays and blacks exist, it is just a question of whether one victimizes them or not. And personally I think homosexuality is a lifestyle choice - but that doesn't make it any more wrong than other lifestyle choices such as being a hippy or a vegetarian. Or a Catholic for that matter!"The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
