skyrider 0 #26 January 4, 2011 Quote Quote Do you want to see limp wristed soldiers? Limp wristed soldiers should be allowed to serve their country if this is what they want to do. Being limp wristed (as well as their transgendered cousins) is NOT a life choice, it is something people are born with. But one thing that does give me the "he-bee-gee-bees" is the thought of two men having anal sex and well that is something you don't want to have going on in the barracks or anywhere else in the military theater. BTW ... how did Limb wristers get into this "faith" thread? Don't ask, don't tell should apply in more than one place. Then stop the haircuts,and put an end to Uniforms... meanwhile back at the thread... Athiest that push their agenda, Piss me off, much more than Chritians that push their agenda...I don;t give a fuck iif there is a cross on Mount Helix, (which BTW, I can see from my house) the athiest assholes that want it removed are nothing but lost hippies that cant; find a real problem, seems they don't ever watch the news! They make us good athiest look bad! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,993 #27 January 4, 2011 >.I don;t give a fuck iif there is a cross on Mount Helix I don't care if there's a cross on Mount Helix. I do care that my tax dollars are going towards maintaining it. If we're spending tax dollars on a big cross on the top of a mountain, we should be spending tax dollars on Islamic memorials in Manhattan. Or (better solution) spend tax money on neither. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 January 4, 2011 Quote>.I don;t give a fuck iif there is a cross on Mount Helix I don't care if there's a cross on Mount Helix. I do care that my tax dollars are going towards maintaining it. Except it doesn't - "Mt. Helix Park Foundation is the non-profit organization responsible for preserving and enhancing the Park, amphitheater and cross memorial on top of Mt. Helix. The Foundation was formed in 1999. Please consider becoming a "Friend of the Park" donor or volunteering. We receive no government funding, and therefore urgently need public support to operate the facility and to ensure that this historical place will still be here for future generations to enjoy."Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,993 #29 January 4, 2011 Sorry, I was confusing that cross with the Mt. Soledad cross, which is maintained by the US Park Service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #30 January 4, 2011 QuoteBeing limp wristed (as well as their transgendered cousins) is NOT a life choice, it is something people are born with. Trite and simplistic, just as much as Rider's comment. I suspect that for some it's a choice, and for some it's a born trait. I also suspect that for some it's a healthy thing and for others it's not. I also suspect that for anyone about anything, it's never as simple as just one thing. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 January 4, 2011 Quote >.I don;t give a fuck iif there is a cross on Mount Helix I don't care if there's a cross on Mount Helix. I do care that my tax dollars are going towards maintaining it. If we're spending tax dollars on a big cross on the top of a mountain, we should be spending tax dollars on Islamic memorials in Manhattan. Or (better solution) spend tax money on neither. yay, the real issue is again - making other people pay for subjective crap that should be covered privately. It always boils down to this one thing. (yes, the irony compared to my above post is obvious ) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 January 4, 2011 QuoteSorry, I was confusing that cross with the Mt. Soledad cross, which is maintained by the US Park Service. Why is the US Park Service maintaining private land?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #33 January 4, 2011 Quote As an agnostic I do believe in "Freedom of Religion" where people are allowed to practice their religious beliefs free from being persecuted by others. But I also believe in "Freedom from Religion" where people keep their religious beliefs to themselves. However I am a strong believer of personal freedoms and you will notice that many (not all) atheists who believe in social engineering are the biggest violators of "Freedom of Religion" as these people seem to think everyone must be engineered into being the same person as they are. I honestly do NOT understand how religious people can be so certain that they are 100% correct in their beliefs, just as I honestly do NOT understand how atheists can be 100% certain there is no God(s). The Universe is an awful big place which is beyond my agnostic comprehension and if we are alone out there (as the "Burble" says we are) it is an awful waste of space. In summary (generic comments not directed at one person): - Let people believe in what they believe in. - Don't force your beliefs on others. - Stop trying to socially engineer me into being something I am not. HUGE +1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #34 January 4, 2011 Quote I am one of those Christians who believes that people should live and let live...whether you're straight or gay or whatever. Women should have a right to elective abortion, regardless of her reasons. And I can't understand why non-believers are so dead set on trying to change my beliefs. There's something wrong with people like that...lol. linz What she said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,993 #35 January 4, 2011 >Why is the US Park Service maintaining private land? HR 5683 transferred that property to the Federal government so they could 'save' the cross. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #36 January 4, 2011 QuoteWhy is faith so strongly criticised? Unfortunately for discussions regarding viewpoint favoritism, maintaining faith neutrality in public situations kinda necessitates "not bringing it up" because there's simply an indefinite number of things to have faith in. It happens that this arrangement works out extremely well for atheists and agnostics because, quite frankly, we don't really have anything to talk about. If this is interpreted as active favoritism towards atheists and agnostics, I don't know that I have an answer for you that you want to hear. If you say, "everybody shutup!" and then someone says, "hey that's not fair, the person I was trying to talk to was giving me the silent treatment, if we all have to shut up that favors them!" that's kinda silly isn't it? Theists may be a poor choice of targets for aggression in a "don't hate the player, hate the game" sort of a way though. For example, it doesn't matter that so many people don't want to allow gays to get married because of their religious beliefs. What matters is protecting minorities from mob rule for any reason. Thankfully our system has a tendency to get things right (by "right" I mean enforcing the concept of one person's rights stop where the next's begin) in the long run and, again, if this is interpreted as active favoritism towards atheists and agnostics, I don't know that I have an answer for you that you want to hear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #37 January 4, 2011 Quote>Why is the US Park Service maintaining private land? HR 5683 transferred that property to the Federal government so they could 'save' the cross. "To preserve the Mt. Soledad Veterans Memorial in San Diego, California, by providing for the immediate acquisition of the memorial by the United States." Have you notified Congress that what they really meant was the Mt. Soledad cross and not the Veteran's Memorial?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,993 #38 January 4, 2011 >Have you notified Congress that what they really meant was the Mt. >Soledad cross and not the Veteran's Memorial? I'll let you play your word games with yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #39 January 4, 2011 Quote>Have you notified Congress that what they really meant was the Mt. >Soledad cross and not the Veteran's Memorial? I'll let you play your word games with yourself. You're the one that equated 'war memorial' with 'cross', not I. Nice attempt, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #40 January 4, 2011 QuoteWhy is faith so strongly criticised. It's not. What is severely critisized (and in my opinion ought to be) is the notion that governmental authority comes from religion. The US Constitution was very specific about freedom OF religion not being infringed upon, but with that a person then has to recognize that if ALL religions (including the lack of one) aren't to be messed with BY the government, then no single religion can be allowed to hold sway OVER government. Simplistically; if religion A controls the government, then clearly religions B, C, D and so on down the line are pretty screwed. Anyone of any power that says they get messages from God telling them how to run the government, really needs to excuse themselves from office.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 January 4, 2011 QuoteAnyone of any power that says they get messages from God telling them how to run the government, really needs to excuse themselves from office. So, we're having bills written saying 'according to the will of Almighty God', or something?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #42 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteAnyone of any power that says they get messages from God telling them how to run the government, really needs to excuse themselves from office. So, we're having bills written saying 'according to the will of Almighty God', or something? I would refer you to some speeches made by the 43rd President.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #43 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhy is faith so strongly criticised. It's not. Have you not read any posts here where people are called idiots, or degraded in some fasion because of their faith? It's NOT? Really?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #44 January 4, 2011 Some people criticize faith. Some of them are rude about it. Some people of faith (Christian among others) criticize people without faith, or of other faiths. Some of them are rude about it. Are you advocating greater political correctness on the part of atheists? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #45 January 4, 2011 QuoteHave you not read any posts here where people are called idiots, or degraded in some fasion because of their faith? Can you not see the difference between criticizing faith as a general concept and criticizing a specific faith in something that's demonstrably inaccurate?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #46 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnyone of any power that says they get messages from God telling them how to run the government, really needs to excuse themselves from office. So, we're having bills written saying 'according to the will of Almighty God', or something? I would refer you to some speeches made by the 43rd President. In that case - you shuld re read the speeches by all of the presidents leading up to this one? Maybe that is what they meant when they equate Obama to the great savior. Maybe we should re write the DoI so that all references to God are expunged just tlike they are doing to Huck Finn.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #47 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnyone of any power that says they get messages from God telling them how to run the government, really needs to excuse themselves from office. So, we're having bills written saying 'according to the will of Almighty God', or something? I would refer you to some speeches made by the 43rd President. By all mean, please do.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #48 January 4, 2011 One of many examples, all of which are easily Googlable should you care to investigate further. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usaquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #49 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteHave you not read any posts here where people are called idiots, or degraded in some fasion because of their faith? Can you not see the difference between criticizing faith as a general concept and criticizing a specific faith in something that's demonstrably inaccurate? Which "Specific Faith" is demostrably inaccurate?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #50 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteHave you not read any posts here where people are called idiots, or degraded in some fasion because of their faith? Can you not see the difference between criticizing faith as a general concept and criticizing a specific faith in something that's demonstrably inaccurate? Which "Specific Faith" is demostrably inaccurate? Pretty much any that cling to the notion the earth was created roughly 6,000 years ago and in exactly six days.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
