billvon 3,080 #126 January 20, 2011 >or leave them unemployed and poorer. If you'd rather do that, then by all means, go for it. You won't get much support from me (or from the rich people who rely on educated, skillful people to keep them rich.) >you seem to be an adherent of the 'trickle down' from the rich theory >which has been totally discredited. i believe wealth comes from the >bottom up - always has done. The trickle down theory is as much bullshit as the trickle up theory. Wealth does not come from either place. It comes from an economic system that rewards people for their labor. Trying to destroy it in order to impose your system of fairness on it society is counterproductive, if your goal is prosperity. Now, if your goal is to force your own preferred social order on people, then you might be able to justify such actions to yourself. Just beware - the people you have to destroy to do so might resent your actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #127 January 20, 2011 Quote You are wrong. just to say that it is nice to finally disagree with you on a subject kallend (but you're going to have to do better than simply saying - you are wrong. how many employees does your billionaire friend have in total - does he own any companies?)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #128 January 20, 2011 Quote >>OK. How, then, do you conclude that rich people prefer uneducated employees? >how do you conclude they don't? Because all the rich people I know. not a very big sample then (do you know every employee - there must be a lot of them - how many are chinese say?)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #129 January 20, 2011 >(do you know every employee - there must be a lot of them - how many >are chinese say?) A bunch. Also a bunch of Vietnamese, Filipino, Thai and Korean. Lately a lot of Middle Easterners, Indians and Persians. Even some Ukranians, Slovakians and Russians. Why do you ask? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #130 January 20, 2011 Quote There is a reason companies help pay for college classes taken by their employees. you're confusing 'companies' with the 'rich'. and i'm really talking about the class of 'super rich' here not so much the poorer rich society will stratify - no doubt. but the extremes we are getting to are not sustainable. it won't end well...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #131 January 20, 2011 QuoteDreamdancer, are you a troll or just the stupidest son of a bitch that has ever typed? i think you've proved who's the troll... (how does it feel to shoot yourself in the feet)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #132 January 20, 2011 Quote Could be the monkey with the most bananas worked a little harder and reached higher in the tree. or it could be the monkey just stole those bananas... (now what animal shall i compare you too - i think the answer might be in your posting name)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #133 January 20, 2011 Quote The trickle down theory is as much bullshit as the trickle up theory. but you keep espousing it...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #134 January 20, 2011 QuoteWealth does not come from either place. It comes from an economic system that rewards people for their labor. Trying to destroy it in order to impose your system of fairness on it society is counterproductive, if your goal is prosperity. and i'm saying people aren't being rewarded fairly for their labour (even monkies can tell when they're not getting their just rewards). and it is the super rich who are in the process of trying to destroy the current system through their own greed. the bankers have had a good go - and it isn't over yet...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #135 January 20, 2011 Quote>(do you know every employee - there must be a lot of them - how many >are chinese say?) A bunch. Also a bunch of Vietnamese, Filipino, Thai and Korean. Lately a lot of Middle Easterners, Indians and Persians. Even some Ukranians, Slovakians and Russians. Why do you ask? so a lot of cheap labour...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #136 January 20, 2011 QuoteJust beware - the people you have to destroy to do so might resent your actions. i don't think increasing inheritance tax is going to 'destroy' anyone - but it might just rebalance society to an equitable level...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #137 January 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteChristianity "The eye of a needle" is part of a saying of Jesus recorded in the synoptic gospels: ...I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Parallel versions appear in Matthew 19:23-24, Mark 10:24-25, and Luke 18:24-25. The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this. Jesus then spoke this response, leaving his disciples astonished. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_a_needle odd that no-one's commented on this post. i thought the us was an avowedly 'christian' country? still no comment from all those 'christian' americans here?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #138 January 20, 2011 Quotei believe wealth comes from the bottom up - always has done. Really? So who's the poor person that bought/leased the plane/rigs for your DZ?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #139 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote i believe wealth comes from the bottom up - always has done. Really? So who's the poor person that bought/leased the plane/rigs for your DZ? in the beginning... ...everyone was poor stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #140 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote Quote i believe wealth comes from the bottom up - always has done. Really? So who's the poor person that bought/leased the plane/rigs for your DZ? in the beginning... ...everyone was poor So, you admit your 'bottom up' theory is bullshit? That's a start.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #141 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote i believe wealth comes from the bottom up - always has done. Really? So who's the poor person that bought/leased the plane/rigs for your DZ? in the beginning... ...everyone was poor So, you admit your 'bottom up' theory is bullshit? That's a start. so the poor created their own wealth. then the rich came along...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #142 January 20, 2011 Quote so the poor created their own wealth. then the rich came along... Uh huh....so again, who was the poor guy that bought the plane and rigs?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #143 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote so the poor created their own wealth. then the rich came along... Uh huh....so again, who was the poor guy that bought the plane and rigs? hey, none of us are rich. we just scrape a living and get as many skydives in as possible - that's rich enough for me stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #144 January 20, 2011 can you see the thai sky adventures ads in the us?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #145 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote Quote so the poor created their own wealth. then the rich came along... Uh huh....so again, who was the poor guy that bought the plane and rigs? hey, none of us are rich. we just scrape a living and get as many skydives in as possible - that's rich enough for me Who was the 'poor guy' that bought the plane and rigs, Kevin?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #146 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote There is a reason companies help pay for college classes taken by their employees. you're confusing 'companies' with the 'rich'. and i'm really talking about the class of 'super rich' here not so much the poorer rich society will stratify - no doubt. but the extremes we are getting to are not sustainable. it won't end well... Ok, so now that you have totally lost any argument you thought you had, you now try to shrink the pool of "rich people" that are trying to prey on the poor. That dog don't hunt, buddy. In my argument you can use either "rich people" or "companies" interchangeably. Care to try to shoot it down again or are you getting tired of beating a dead horse?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #147 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote i believe wealth comes from the bottom up - always has done. Really? So who's the poor person that bought/leased the plane/rigs for your DZ? in the beginning... ...everyone was poor So, you admit your 'bottom up' theory is bullshit? That's a start. so the poor created their own wealth. then the rich came along... And the rich came from where? Out of thin air? Every post you make shows more and more of your jealousy of those who, for any reason, have more than you. You say you are happy having enough to make a few jumps a day but your words here speak volumes against that idea.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #148 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote You are wrong. just to say that it is nice to finally disagree with you on a subject kallend (but you're going to have to do better than simply saying - you are wrong. how many employees does your billionaire friend have in total - does he own any companies?) His trading company employs about 500 people. All the traders have advanced degrees. I'm not sure how many his real estate companies and hotel employ. His household staff is 12, and he employs 2 pilots. Incidentally, he didn't inherit any of it. (incidentally, I am a firm believer in an estate tax, and I believe the ongoing shift of wealth to the rich from the middle class is bad for the nation).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #149 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote welfare? you're talking about all the welfare paid out to the bankers. i agree they should pay their own way same as the rest of us... No - I was talking about personal welfare, like the kiond the government gives you for doing nothing to earn it. yeh, like the bankers... No, more like what you assume inheritance to be. Just because you think you are deserving, doesn't make it so. You seem to respond to your own posts - why is it that you cannot seem to answer simple questions - Is it just because the comments differ from your own and you can't find a way around them? You just responded to your own post.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #150 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote i believe wealth comes from the bottom up - always has done. Really? So who's the poor person that bought/leased the plane/rigs for your DZ? in the beginning... ...everyone was poor So, you admit your 'bottom up' theory is bullshit? That's a start. so the poor created their own wealth. then the rich came along... And the rich came from where? Out of thin air? the poor got together and created some wealth - bottom up you see stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
