Terry Jones Banned from UK

[Skyrad 0]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20110120/tuk-burn-koran-pastor-slams-unfair-uk-ba-dba1618.html

Good riddance to the hate mongering scumbag.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[tkhayes 348]

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"I have no intention of doing anything against British law. We feel this is definitely against constitutional rights to travel and freedom of speech." He said. "We believe that our visit there could be beneficial."

Only an American could claim that some other country is violating his 'constitutional rights'. Textbook example of why the world gets 'pissed off' with Americans/America in general.

[rushmc 23]

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20110120/tuk-burn-koran-pastor-slams-unfair-uk-ba-dba1618.html

Good riddance to the hate mongering scumbag.

Seems you display the same hate you condem

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[nigel99 482]

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"I have no intention of doing anything against British law. We feel this is definitely against constitutional rights to travel and freedom of speech." He said. "We believe that our visit there could be beneficial."

Only an American could claim that some other country is violating his 'constitutional rights'. Textbook example of why the world gets 'pissed off' with Americans/America in general.

Fortunately most people do realise that he is at the extremely dumb end of the spectrum.

Beyond thinking that he is a dumb-ass I am not sure if it is a proportional response but then I haven't looked at what else he has said/done. Generally the UK is very relaxed on who can come here.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[airdvr 210]

I can see that. Hell, the UK will be a mostly Muslim country in a couple of years.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[pchapman 279]

Oh, THAT Terry Jones.

When I saw the headline I wondered why the Brits suddenly hated Monty Python.

[shropshire 0]

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20110120/tuk-burn-koran-pastor-slams-unfair-uk-ba-dba1618.html

Good riddance to the hate mongering scumbag.

+1

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20110120/tuk-burn-koran-pastor-slams-unfair-uk-ba-dba1618.html

Good riddance to the hate mongering scumbag.

Seems you display the same hate you condem

Fuck him - we have enough nutters, we don't need anyone else's. As for his Rights - he doesn't have any here.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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"I have no intention of doing anything against British law. We feel this is definitely against constitutional rights to travel and freedom of speech." He said. "We believe that our visit there could be beneficial."

Only an American could claim that some other country is violating his 'constitutional rights'. Textbook example of why the world gets 'pissed off' with Americans/America in general.

This from some of the same people that claim terrorists and/or enemy combatants, captured on foreign soil should have the same Constitutional Rights as American Citizens living in the U.S.

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"I have no intention of doing anything against British law. We feel this is definitely against constitutional rights to travel and freedom of speech." He said. "We believe that our visit there could be beneficial."

Only an American could claim that some other country is violating his 'constitutional rights'. Textbook example of why the world gets 'pissed off' with Americans/America in general.

This from some of the same people that claim terrorists and/or enemy combatants, captured on foreign soil should have the same Constitutional Rights as American Citizens living in the U.S.

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[DanG 1]

Once they are in US custody, yes, they should.

- Dan G

[marks2065 0]

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Once they are in US custody, yes, they should.

NO they shouldn't

[DanG 1]

That pesky Constitution is so annoying sometimes, isn't it?

- Dan G

[marks2065 0]

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That pesky Constitution is so annoying sometimes, isn't it?

the constitution does not give rights to foriegners

[DanG 1]

Here, for your education:

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Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment 3 - Quartering of Soldiers.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses.
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Amendment 7 - Trial by Jury in Civil Cases.
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Can you point out where the word citizen is used?

- Dan G

[mnealtx 0]

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Can you point out where the words 'people of the world' are used?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[marks2065 0]

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Here, for your education:

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Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment 3 - Quartering of Soldiers.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses.
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Amendment 7 - Trial by Jury in Civil Cases.
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Can you point out where the word citizen is used?

mnealtx beat me to it read his post

[rushmc 23]

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Once they are in US custody, yes, they should.

no

They should not

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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That pesky Constitution is so annoying sometimes, isn't it?

to you it must be because it does not say you are correct

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Read it. He's wrong. Foreigners have basic rights when under the jurisdiction of the US. Those basic rights are enumerated in the Constitution. The fact that you don't like it doesn't make it not so.

We used to pride ourselves on our love of freedom and justice. It's a shame some Americans no longer feel that way.

- Dan G

[Andrewwhyte 1]

It's a very tricky situation. While Terry Jones is an asshole and of course has no rights in UK, the argument can be made that the rights of UK citizens are affected when the voices of foreigners are silenced.
Here is a story about a British MP banned from entering Canada either for having the wrong political views or being a terrorist, depending on your point of view. Those who invited him felt their rights were infringed.
Here is a story referencing the Federal judge's opinion on the matter.

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Read it. He's wrong. Foreigners have basic rights when under the jurisdiction of the US. Those basic rights are enumerated in the Constitution. The fact that you don't like it doesn't make it not so.

We used to pride ourselves on our love of freedom and justice. It's a shame some Americans no longer feel that way.

basic rights and rights of a US citizen are 2 different things.

[Coreece 190]

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While Terry Jones is an asshole and of course has no rights in UK, the argument can be made that the rights of UK citizens are affected

Like his daughter's and granchildren's right to see their father/grandfather...

Mr. Jones may be a bit misguided, but lets remember that he didn't go through with the book burning. He's simply outspoken about Islamic extremism just like many here are outspoken about his Christian extremism - which, btw pales in comparisson to Islamic terror.

Personally I think the guy is to political and controversial to be pastoring a church effectively. If you don't want him to give speeches, fine - I couldn't care less. But let him see his family.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[shropshire 0]

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While Terry Jones is an asshole and of course has no rights in UK, the argument can be made that the rights of UK citizens are affected

Like his daughter's and granchildren's right to see their father/grandfather....

The do NOT have the Right to see him in our country.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Coreece 190]

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While Terry Jones is an asshole and of course has no rights in UK, the argument can be made that the rights of UK citizens are affected

Like his daughter's and granchildren's right to see their father/grandfather....

The do NOT have the Right to see him in our country.

Have a heart...be a bigger man. Let him see his kids. I think you're making him out to be worse than he actually is.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...