nigel99 489 #26 January 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhile Terry Jones is an asshole and of course has no rights in UK, the argument can be made that the rights of UK citizens are affected Like his daughter's and granchildren's right to see their father/grandfather.... The do NOT have the Right to see him in our country. I agree they are welcome to visit him.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #27 January 20, 2011 I don't know ... but people 'above my pay-scale' have decided. If he want's to see the kids ... he can buy a web camAnd I have no heart .......... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #28 January 20, 2011 You know - It's funny that so many here are afraid of this guy - LMAO...talk about fear mongering. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #29 January 20, 2011 Well, that's not quite right.. I'm not scared of him per se. Unlike the US, the U.K has laws against 'Hate Crimes' which trumps his US based freedom of speech. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #30 January 20, 2011 what are his hate crimes against all humanity? Give me a break! So this is your guyses big bad evil christian nemisis? ...I gotta tell ya, it seems christianity has come a looooong way. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #31 January 20, 2011 Which rights, specifically, are enumerated for all people and which are reserved for citizens? Please be specific and cite passages from the Constitution. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #32 January 20, 2011 Quote Unlike the US, the U.K has laws against 'Hate Crimes' which trumps his US based freedom of speech. Do hate speech laws apply extra-territorially? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #33 January 20, 2011 QuoteQuote Unlike the US, the U.K has laws against 'Hate Crimes' which trumps his US based freedom of speech. Do hate speech laws apply extra-territorially? Well, they can't arrest him because of something he said somewhere else. They can deny him entrance to their country on that basis, however, just as the U.S. can do. I am pretty close to a free-speech absolutist but this is their country and their rules."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #34 January 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteWe the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Can you point out where the words 'people of the world' are used? Irrelevant section. "We the people" in that instance refers to the people establishing and ordaining the constitution, not the ones being protected by it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #35 January 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Unlike the US, the U.K has laws against 'Hate Crimes' which trumps his US based freedom of speech. Do hate speech laws apply extra-territorially? Well, they can't arrest him because of something he said somewhere else. They can deny him entrance to their country on that basis, however, just as the U.S. can do. I am pretty close to a free-speech absolutist but this is their country and their rules. Yes. I'm not sure why we're having discussions about who the Constitution applies to. It only exists within the US. When you visit another country, you have to abide by their norms, no matter how stupid they may be. And when other citizens come here, they should be given the near entirety of our norms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 January 20, 2011 I think the question is: If a Pakistani commits an act of terrorism in Iraq, is he endowed with the rights of an American Citizen just because the act was against an American soldier? If so, then if he commits an act of terrorism against a Korean sildier in Iraq but is detained by an American soldier, which country's laws is he subjected to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #37 January 20, 2011 QuoteI think the question is: If a Pakistani commits an act of terrorism in Iraq, is he endowed with the rights of an American Citizen just because the act was against an American soldier? If so, then if he commits an act of terrorism against a Korean sildier in Iraq but is detained by an American soldier, which country's laws is he subjected to? No bearing on the subject at hand (Terry Jones not given permission to visit UK). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #38 January 20, 2011 Thread drift. Still a valid question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #39 January 20, 2011 Dan, your understanding of when American Constitutional rights do and do not apply to non-American citizens is the legally correct one. Those Americans in this thread who have disagreed with you are embarrassing themselves, and need to attend remedial Social Studies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #40 January 20, 2011 Quote Quote Quote "I have no intention of doing anything against British law. We feel this is definitely against constitutional rights to travel and freedom of speech." He said. "We believe that our visit there could be beneficial." Only an American could claim that some other country is violating his 'constitutional rights'. Textbook example of why the world gets 'pissed off' with Americans/America in general. Fortunately most people do realise that he is at the extremely dumb end of the spectrum. Exactly. Jones is a known idiot, so his mis-use of the term "constitutional rights" is a non-event. Any non-American who gets pissed at Amricans/America because of what Jones does and says is being as ignorant as Jones is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #41 January 20, 2011 Thanks for the educated clarification Andy. I kind of thought it was obvious, but apparently not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #42 January 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotehttp://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20110120/tuk-burn-koran-pastor-slams-unfair-uk-ba-dba1618.html Good riddance to the hate mongering scumbag. Seems you display the same hate you condem Fuck him - we have enough nutters, we don't need anyone else's. As for his Rights - he doesn't have any here. +1When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #43 January 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteOnce they are in US custody, yes, they should. no They should not so americans should have all the rights, go any place, kill people, but everyone else is just a 2nd class person? right, i hope they get their asses ripped everywhere they go..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #44 January 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteOnce they are in US custody, yes, they should. no They should not so americans should have all the rights, go any place, kill people, but everyone else is just a 2nd class person? right, i hope they get their asses ripped everywhere they go.. That's a first...I never heard of being prejudice againt a strawman before.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #45 January 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Once they are in US custody, yes, they should. no They should not so americans should have all the rights, go any place, kill people, but everyone else is just a 2nd class person? right, i hope they get their asses ripped everywhere they go.. That's a first...I never heard of being prejudice againt a strawman before. well, some of the comments on here are just plain stupid. not that my remark was wise, but claiming "constitutional rights" for them in another country? but while invading another country and not granting the same rights for those citizens? as someone else said further up, yea, exactly THAT is the reason why half the world hates america(n)s guts.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #46 January 22, 2011 Quoteas someone else said further up, yea, exactly THAT is the reason why half the world hates america(n)s guts.. and half the world hates the swiss for guarding the evil vatican and their cheap plastic novelty knives, the gremans for being nazi's, the english for being pricks, australians for sounding like retarded englishmen, and new zealanders for sounding like retarded australians and so on and so forth... It's not america's fault that half the world is retarded.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #47 January 22, 2011 Quote Quote as someone else said further up, yea, exactly THAT is the reason why half the world hates america(n)s guts.. and half the world hates the swiss for guarding the evil vatican and their cheap plastic novelty knives, the gremans for being nazi's, the english for being pricks, australians for sounding like retarded englishmen, and new zealanders for sounding like retarded australians and so on and so forth... It's not america's fault that half the world is retarded. and now you're giving a half-assed excuse for that, while you're making another ignorant statement as to why everyone else is a 2nd class person and retarded, other than you (american). good going. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #48 January 22, 2011 Quote while you're making another ignorant statement ya, that was sort of the point.btw, whatever happened to your humor?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #49 January 22, 2011 Quote Quote while you're making another ignorant statement ya, that was sort of the point.btw, whatever happened to your humor? the overwhelmingly amount of stupid responses in this thread kinda killed it.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #50 January 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote while you're making another ignorant statement ya, that was sort of the point.btw, whatever happened to your humor? the overwhelmingly amount of stupid responses in this thread kinda killed it.. bout time...So ya, I had enough fun here for the day. I'm heading over to the bonfire to have my morning coffee with Bryan - feel free to join us.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
