Kennedy 0 #1 January 23, 2011 Trial in Arivaca killings starts this week Quote Google her name and you'll get nearly 23,000 hits. She has a Facebook page. Her fans have set up four websites. A local author is writing a book about her. But Shawna Forde isn't a pop star, and she isn't running for public office. She is charged with first-degree murder in the May 2009 deaths of 9-year-old Brisenia Flores and the girl's father, Raul "Junior" Flores, 29. Her supporters describe Forde as a loving mother of two who has taken in foster children and helped the homeless, victims of domestic violence and people infected with HIV. They insist she is being framed by federal and local agencies that feel threatened by her work with the Minutemen American Defense organization. But prosecutors contend Forde, whose trial starts Wednesday with jury selection, was so zealous in her quest to control the border she came up with a plan to fund her organization - stealing from people she thought were connected with drug cartels. I hope she suffers horribly before being sent to Hell. And some folks think we don't need the death penalty. She doesn't even have insanity as an excuse. She's just freaking sick. I can't believe this is going to trial. Either defensemthinks they're going to get a racist SOB holdout juror, or the ADA just didn't want offer anything at all for plea.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #2 January 23, 2011 And you wonder why people make negative comments about cops when a cop pumps a guy with a golf club full of leadEDIT: She has not been found guilty. Get it? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #3 January 23, 2011 I hope she's convicted if she did it. I hope she's acquitted if she didn't do it. Looks like there is evidence on both sides. That's why there are trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #4 January 23, 2011 Because EVERYONE arrested is guilty! Otherwise they wouldn't be arrested. duh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #5 January 23, 2011 QuoteI hope she's convicted if she did it. I hope she's acquitted if she didn't do it. yep "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #6 January 23, 2011 QuoteAnd you wonder why people make negative comments about cops when a cop pumps a guy with a golf club full of lead And that has what to do with the topic of this thread? (I'm still wondering if you think a golf club isn't deadly force, or if you think cops should never shoot someone threatening them with deadly force) QuoteEDIT: She has not been found guilty. Get it? Neither has Loughner. What's your point? Should I doubt he was the shooter just because a jury hasn't said so yet?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #7 January 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteEDIT: She has not been found guilty. Get it? Neither has Loughner. What's your point? Should doubt he was the shooter just because a jury hasn't said so yet? That's a red herring, and unworthy of the bright guy you are. Loughner's case is a slam dunk - lots of eyewitnesses; it's even on videotape. This case is far from that. I've been a trial attorney (criminal and civil; both sides) for over 25 years, and I'm telling you this is a triable case with more than one side of the story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #8 January 23, 2011 Different logic. Kill one with a golf club because you can't trust 'them'. Convict another based on the testimony of 'them' because you do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #9 January 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteEDIT: She has not been found guilty. Get it? Neither has Loughner. What's your point? Should doubt he was the shooter just because a jury hasn't said so yet? That's a red herring, and unworthy of the bright guy you are. Loughner's case is a slam dunk - lots of eyewitnesses; it's even on videotape. This case is far from that. I've been a trial attorney (criminal and civil; both sides) for over 25 years, and I'm telling you this is a triable case with more than one side of the story. Even loughner deserves his date in court. It is his right. The system isn't perfect and it is the worst in the world, exept for every other system out there.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #10 January 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEDIT: She has not been found guilty. Get it? Neither has Loughner. What's your point? Should doubt he was the shooter just because a jury hasn't said so yet? That's a red herring, and unworthy of the bright guy you are. Loughner's case is a slam dunk - lots of eyewitnesses; it's even on videotape. This case is far from that. I've been a trial attorney (criminal and civil; both sides) for over 25 years, and I'm telling you this is a triable case with more than one side of the story. Even loughner deserves his date in court. It is his right. The system isn't perfect and it is the worst in the world, exept for every other system out there. Well, which other democracies, despite overwhelming evidence of numerous false convictions, continue to execute their citizens?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #11 January 24, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote EDIT: She has not been found guilty. Get it? Neither has Loughner. What's your point? Should doubt he was the shooter just because a jury hasn't said so yet? That's a red herring, and unworthy of the bright guy you are. Loughner's case is a slam dunk - lots of eyewitnesses; it's even on videotape. This case is far from that. I've been a trial attorney (criminal and civil; both sides) for over 25 years, and I'm telling you this is a triable case with more than one side of the story. Even loughner deserves his date in court. It is his right. The system isn't perfect and it is the worst in the world, exept for every other system out there. Well, which other democracies, despite overwhelming evidence of numerous false convictions, continue to execute their citizens? It is so cute that you still believe this country is a Democracy.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 January 24, 2011 QuoteWell, which other democracies, despite overwhelming evidence of numerous false convictions, continue to execute their citizens? Silly pedantics about "democracies" (rather than "democratic republics") aside, possibly Japan and India. Factoring-in your qualifier, "despite overwhelming evidence of numerous false convictions", possibly none. Here's my quick source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_nation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 January 24, 2011 Quote Well, which other democracies, despite overwhelming evidence of numerous false convictions, continue to execute their citizens? Isn't Iraq a democracy now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #14 January 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEDIT: She has not been found guilty. Get it? Neither has Loughner. What's your point? Should doubt he was the shooter just because a jury hasn't said so yet? That's a red herring, and unworthy of the bright guy you are. Loughner's case is a slam dunk - lots of eyewitnesses; it's even on videotape. This case is far from that. I've been a trial attorney (criminal and civil; both sides) for over 25 years, and I'm telling you this is a triable case with more than one side of the story. Even loughner deserves his date in court. It is his right. The system isn't perfect and it is the worst in the world, exept for every other system out there. Well, which other democracies, despite overwhelming evidence of numerous false convictions, continue to execute their citizens? most countries ( like russia and china ) just kill them in the streets so they don't get a trial. no false convictions if it doesn't go to trial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #15 January 25, 2011 You dont think thta happens here?? either way you sound perfectly good with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #16 January 25, 2011 QuoteYou dont think thta happens here?? either way you sound perfectly good with that. You can't have Utopia. You get what we have - unless you want someone elses system - which one would that be?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #17 January 25, 2011 QuoteYou dont think thta happens here?? either way you sound perfectly good with that. I just like karma, seems to come back when you least expect it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 January 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou dont think thta happens here?? either way you sound perfectly good with that. I just like karma, seems to come back when you least expect it So how is yours??? It would really suck to be subjected to Death By Cop.... by mistake... although that seems to be ok to so many of your fellow travellers. Are you ok with more "collateral damage" in YOUR neighborhood.?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
