Another Court Rules Obama Care Unconstitutional

[rushmc 23]

The FL judge has ruled on the 26 state lawsuit
Dont know yet if just parts or all of it

Details and the links to follow

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

3:00PM EST: A federal judge in Florida has struck down as unconstitutional key parts of the sweeping health care reform bill championed by President Barack Obama. Officials in Florida and 25 other states are challenging sections of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, including the “individual mandate” requiring most Americans to purchase health insurance in four years or face stiff penalties.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

60 Articles in the link
Many are most likely the same

http://news.google.com/news/more?hl=en&q=FEDERAL+JUDGE+RULES&safe=images&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dLiCMask7-w2QfMZnCjXjaCfRCOvM&ei=0RdHTc-cJ8L58AaSjInRAQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQqgIwAA

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

The written order

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Vinson.pdf

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

Groovy. Now that we've determined that we can't force people to buy insurance, we'll just provide it to them for free.

Happy now?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

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Groovy. Now that we've determined that we can't force people to buy insurance, we'll just provide it to them for free.

Happy now?

Please continue so I may better understand your point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

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Groovy. Now that we've determined that we can't force people to buy insurance, we'll just provide it to them for free.
Happy now?

Please continue so I may better understand your point

This is a case of "be careful what you wish for."

Emergency rooms will not turn away people that can't pay for healthcare.

Now, instead of forcing people to buy "some" healthcare, they won't buy any yet will still get it in emergency rooms.

Guess who actually pays for that?

Happy now?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

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Groovy. Now that we've determined that we can't force people to buy insurance, we'll just provide it to them for free.
Happy now?

Please continue so I may better understand your point

This is a case of "be careful what you wish for."

Emergency rooms will not turn away people that can't pay for healthcare.

Now, instead of forcing people to buy "some" healthcare, they won't buy any yet will still get it in emergency rooms.

Guess who actually pays for that?

Happy now?

So, in other words
It stays the same as today?
Yes, I would be much happier with that than the Obamanation that would be Obamacare

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So, in other words
It stays the same as today?

I wouldn't be so sure.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Southern_Man 0]

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This is a case of "be careful what you wish for."

Emergency rooms will not turn away people that can't pay for healthcare.

Now, instead of forcing people to buy "some" healthcare, they won't buy any yet will still get it in emergency rooms.

Guess who actually pays for that?

Happy now?

Honestly, we should work on eliminating EMTALA. I don't think that is likely to happen but it is a horrible law.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[kelpdiver 2]

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Groovy. Now that we've determined that we can't force people to buy insurance, we'll just provide it to them for free.

Happy now?

if you mean the status quo, then yes, many people will be happy. No change is better than bad, expensive change.

If you mean everyone will get a health plan, and we'll all be taxed to pay for it, that takes new legislation, and that's certainly not going anywhere in the House.

The employer based method of health care will have to decay further before there is majority support for all of this.

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So, in other words
It stays the same as today?

I wouldn't be so sure.

How about we just make people pay for their care?

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So, in other words
It stays the same as today?

I wouldn't be so sure.

How about we just make people pay for their care?

They used to and it worked just great as long as the technology you were interested in consisted of witch doctors and leeches.

The average person has zero hope of financially being able to pay for a heart attack just using their own finances.

Again, be careful what you wish for.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

I will save you some time should care to look at the link
Start at page 45 a little way down

Maybe you will be granted some understanding as to why the Obamacare bill sucks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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So, in other words
It stays the same as today?

I wouldn't be so sure.

How about we just make people pay for their care?

They used to and it worked just great as long as the technology you were interested in consisted of witch doctors and leeches.

The average person has zero hope of financially being able to pay for a heart attack just using their own finances.

Again, be careful what you wish for.

It worked until gov and state regulations along with crazy lawsuilts came along and were allowed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,991]

>The FL judge has ruled on the 26 state lawsuit
>Dont know yet if just parts or all of it

A close look at this whole issue is about one thing. Judges! Judges are legislating from the bench.

My point is the right does not want judges that apply and interpret law! The right wants activists because they can not get the laws they want because they are in the minority!!! In the cases where judges make law they should be held up to scrutiny and made accountable for their actions.

[rushmc 23]

Oh, and on another note
What people who think as you do wish for scares the hell out of me

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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My point is the right does not want judges that apply and interpret law! The right wants activists because they can not get the laws they want because they are in the minority!!! In the cases where judges make law they should be held up to scrutiny and made accountable for their actions.

it would take an activist judge to support forced purchases. A strict constructionalist is going to going to vote as the right wants here.

for all the effort spent getting this passed, they were lazy with the legal issues.

[rushmc 23]

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>The FL judge has ruled on the 26 state lawsuit
>Dont know yet if just parts or all of it

A close look at this whole issue is about one thing. Judges! Judges are legislating from the bench.

My point is the right does not want judges that apply and interpret law! The right wants activists because they can not get the laws they want because they are in the minority!!! In the cases where judges make law they should be held up to scrutiny and made accountable for their actions.

Read the ruling
He struck down a law based on Constitutional law


I do not want activists on either side

You do.

And to hold them up to account?

Damned right
They should be for every ruling they make
The canvas they are looked at against is already written

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,991]

>I do not want activists on either side
>You do.

Sorry, I copied the post I made from one of your old posts, just changed "left" to "right." You'll have to take that issue up with yourself. Let us know who wins.

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>The FL judge has ruled on the 26 state lawsuit
>Dont know yet if just parts or all of it

A close look at this whole issue is about one thing. Judges! Judges are legislating from the bench.

My point is the right does not want judges that apply and interpret law! The right wants activists because they can not get the laws they want because they are in the minority!!! In the cases where judges make law they should be held up to scrutiny and made accountable for their actions.

the judges should judge according to the constitution not make laws based on their interpretation.

[funjumper101 15]

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the judges should judge according to the constitution not make laws based on their interpretation.

Flunking Civics 101 means that you, too, can post REALLY stupid statements regarding how you think the US Judicial system should work.

Blithering ignorance IS a curable condidition.

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Blithering ignorance IS a curable condidition.

But the person has to want to be cured.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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the judges should judge according to the constitution not make laws based on their interpretation.

Flunking Civics 101 means that you, too, can post REALLY stupid statements regarding how you think the US Judicial system should work.

Blithering ignorance IS a curable condidition.

there is a difference between constitutional law and case law and many are using case law to decide cases. Case law can be turned to not represent the constition. so look in the mirror at the blithering ignorance.

[kelpdiver 2]

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the judges should judge according to the constitution not make laws based on their interpretation.

Flunking Civics 101 means that you, too, can post REALLY stupid statements regarding how you think the US Judicial system should work.

Civics 101 would say that the courts should strike down such legislation, because the Constitution has explicit language.

PoliSci 101 will discuss when this really does happens, and when pigs fly as well. States' rights and equal branches of government are fantasies taught in Civics 101.