Wikileaks nomination for Nobel....

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But I guess your one of those who think freedom comes with no restrictions.

Freedom with restrictions is not freedom at all. It is merely a leash with a few more inches to roam.

Quote from the movie Easy Rider:
"Oh, yeah, that's right. That's what's it's all about, all right. But talkin' about it and bein' it, that's two different things. I mean, it's real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. Of course, don't ever tell anybody that they're not free, 'cause then they're gonna get real busy killin' and maimin' to prove to you that they are. Oh, yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom. But they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em."

Sorry to bust your bubble, but all freedoms you have are restricted. Ever hear that you don't have the right to yell fire in a crowded theater..unless there actually is a fire? Don't like it? Waaaa....get the fuck over it.
As far as quoting Easy Rider....you do realize they were two homeless guys spending most of their time stoned out of their heads, right? Just because a line is used in a movie doesn't make it fact.

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FOIA exceptions are fine unless the guy setting those exceptions has another agenda, like torture or starting illegal wars for example.

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So in other words - putting out potentially damaging information is ok when it's someone you don't like.

Nice job twisting things around. But to answer your misdirection, yes. If the guy is doing those things, I don't like him.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Try to follow the conversation, ok?

More childishness? My goodness! Who woulda thunk it?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Don't like it? Waaaa....get the fuck over it.

,,,and yet more. You destroy your credibility when you sink to these types of comments. It tells me you have no valid points to debate and have to resort to snide, childish remarks.

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As far as quoting Easy Rider.... Just because a line is used in a movie doesn't make it fact.

While focusing solely on the source, you missed the point of the quote entirely.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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get the fuck over it.

Shouldn't you be busy convincing yourself that you really did threaten to grind out a weld, unless the Dr. paid you the fee that a physician charges? Maybe, you're just to busy convincing yourself that you could not join the military due to a severe, crippling birth defect (yet you skydive?)

Waaaaaaaaaa, Get the fuck over it your fucking self.

I served while you were still doing the back stroke in your daddy's nut sack.
So nice of you to want others to go to war while you cower beneath your mommy's skirt.
You do realize that you are not completely male until the ovaries drop and become testicles, do you not? Maybe you should give those ovaries a little nudge.

Oh... and there is nothing wrong with rolling the U.S. on a motorcycle for awhile. I've been through near every state on my bike.
You have no idea what true freedom is.

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Ever hear that you don't have the right to yell fire in a crowded theater..unless there actually is a fire?

Of course, it is against the law to entice a riot, much like it is illegal to start an illegal war that killed more than 100k and still killing people everyday. Yup, Iraq is such a paradise that it is major destination for terrorist wishing to soak up some sun.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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that a pretty big 'hence' with a lot of assumptions that have no weight.

The *fact* that wikileaks exists makes it the 800 lb gorilla in the 'your data ain't private anymore' room - that enough weight for you?

Section 3002 of the bill refences electronic health records, as does the HITECH act, so it's *fact*, not assumption.

So, yes, the government will have access to your electronic health record.

Maybe you should have done more reading and less cheerleading about not having to pay for insurance.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Wait - didn't you just agree that JA was not an american citizen?

WHERE does he have the same rights?

foreigners do not enjoy the right of freedom of speech here in the USA? News to me.

My guess will be that the legal system here will decide that.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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your assumptions also include me supporting o-care or whatever you call it. You also assume that all the records aould be online and available, I realize the bill ALLOWS that to happen - does not mandate that this would happen.
Then you also assume that someone gives a shiit enough about it that they would give it to wikileaks and you assume that wikileaks would give a shit enough about it to make it public.

so your assumptions are many, HENCE my comment(s). I could go on but why bother, I already gave my stance on private information versus govt information and I ain't changin' it

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your assumptions also include me supporting o-care or whatever you call it. You also assume that all the records aould be online and available, I realize the bill ALLOWS that to happen - does not mandate that this would happen.
Then you also assume that someone gives a shiit enough about it that they would give it to wikileaks and you assume that wikileaks would give a shit enough about it to make it public.

so your assumptions are many, HENCE my comment(s). I could go on but why bother, I already gave my stance on private information versus govt information and I ain't changin' it

Sounds perfectly hypocritical. Well Done!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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your assumptions also include me supporting o-care or whatever you call it.

LMAO....yeah, ok - whatever you say, TK. Make sure you have Meso or Bill scrub your posts in here if you want anyone to believe that crap, though. While you've said it's not what you wanted, you did accept it as a 'take what you can get' issue.

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You also assume that all the records aould be online and available, I realize the bill ALLOWS that to happen - does not mandate that this would happen.

Makes it hard for the doc/insurance to access it if it's not available online, don't you think?

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Then you also assume that someone gives a shiit enough about it that they would give it to wikileaks and you assume that wikileaks would give a shit enough about it to make it public.

Oh, absolutely - NOBODY ever tries to get personal information from websites or servers *cough*Facebook*cough*, right?

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so your assumptions proofs are many, HENCE my comment(s) have no weight.

Fixed that for you.

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I could go on but why bother, I already gave my stance on private information versus govt information and I ain't changin' it

So as proven, you'll have no problem when someone hacks it and gives out your info. Good for you.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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The *fact* that wikileaks exists makes it the 800 lb gorilla in the 'your data ain't private anymore' room - that enough weight for you?

Nothing is sacred. Fact is every move you make is recorded in one way or another. As you read this Dropzone.com is tracking you and that info is being sold. Don't believe it? Take a look at the crap load of ads that pop up on each page. My screen is filled with advertisement for Springfield, MO. businesses. How does dz.com know what ads to throw at me? Simple, your personal information is bought and sold and used to target you for a sale.

What else can be bought? For a few bucks I can get your school records, police records, find out where you work, the names and ages of your children, your credit score, your driving record, life long employment record... The deeper you dig the more you can find.
Face the fact that you are for sale and companies are profiting from the sale of your personal information. Technology will eventually be the downfall for many.

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"There are applications of this technology that can be very powerful," says Tom Phillips, CEO of Media6Degrees. "Who knows how far we'd take it?"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703940904575395073512989404.html

Does anyone object to persons such as Tom Phillips profiting from selling ones personal information?

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Technology will eventually be has already been the downfall for many.

Small correction here...

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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I get a great kick out of how you 'win' your argument by simply changing the words that I actually said - that's a wonderful technique.

Maybe I should try it sometime.....but wait- I don't actually need to change your words, because mine make sense on their own.

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I get a great kick out of how you 'win' your argument by simply changing the words that I actually said - that's a wonderful technique.

Maybe I should try it sometime.....but wait- I don't actually need to change your words, because mine make sense on their own.

You are a legend in your own mind.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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I get a great kick out of how you 'win' your argument by simply changing the words that I actually said - that's a wonderful technique.

"Win"? No, just made it reflect reality. Sorry you can't tell the difference.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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attacking the poster without any credible argument for the topic itself - well done

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ditto

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attacking the poster without any credible argument for the topic itself - well done

Oh, it's not that . . . it has just gotten to the point where your arguments closely resemble the arguments of the WTC Bombing Truthers. They make as much sense and do about the same thing for the readers of this thread.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Try to follow the conversation, ok?

More childishness? My goodness! Who woulda thunk it?

Childish? Not hardly. Childish is ignoring all that has been posted. Everything you brought up in your post has already been addressed. Do not expect people to continuously repeat themselves just so you don't have to read.

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get the fuck over it.

Shouldn't you be busy convincing yourself that you really did threaten to grind out a weld, unless the Dr. paid you the fee that a physician charges? Maybe, you're just to busy convincing yourself that you could not join the military due to a severe, crippling birth defect (yet you skydive?)

Waaaaaaaaaa, Get the fuck over it your fucking self.

I served while you were still doing the back stroke in your daddy's nut sack.
So nice of you to want others to go to war while you cower beneath your mommy's skirt.
You do realize that you are not completely male until the ovaries drop and become testicles, do you not? Maybe you should give those ovaries a little nudge.

Oh... and there is nothing wrong with rolling the U.S. on a motorcycle for awhile. I've been through near every state on my bike.
You have no idea what true freedom is.

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Ever hear that you don't have the right to yell fire in a crowded theater..unless there actually is a fire?

Of course, it is against the law to entice a riot, much like it is illegal to start an illegal war that killed more than 100k and still killing people everyday. Yup, Iraq is such a paradise that it is major destination for terrorist wishing to soak up some sun.

I did get over it...I got even.
You served. So? I know a lot of people who served. None feel it makes their side of a discussion any more right than the other guys.
Yep, I have a BD. It has kept me from doing a lot of things. Most things I do in spite of it. You should be thankful you don't have to deal with it. I can tell by your attitude that you would not be able to emotionally handle being physically challenged even a little bit.
I don't know what freedom is? Dude, I have enjoyed more freedom than you will ever know exists. Travel the country by bike? That's not freedom. You still depend on "the man" for the road, gas, etc. That isn't freedom, that's just traveling.
Since you like quotes form movies and such, remember this line from a song? "Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose." That is a hell of a lot closer to the truth than anything you can quote from Easy Rider.
Now, go back to admiring yourself in the mirror.

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Difference being MLK stayed within the law. All his speaches were above board and legal. All his rallies were legal and had permits. His marches had take the steps to be legal. He stayed within the law because he knew going outside the law would only give ammunition to those that opposed him.
ASSange makes his way by breaking the law without regard to consequence for anyone accept himself.

I have yet to understand what law Assange broke. Bradley Manning and others may have broken the law. Assange is a publisher. He is entitled to publish those documents under the freedom of the First Amendment. You think he was irresponsible to do so, other people have other beliefs about that.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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Absolutely, and if you read the executive orders this paragraph is talking about (the latest of which I linked to earlier in the thread, previous versions are referenced from there) you will note what things both sides agree on as valid reasons to classify things. Hint: amongst them are most dealings with foreign governments.


What?

The reason I posted this article is because you claimed the government had no constitutional authority to keep secrets or to decide what should be secret. All three branches of government disagree with you as you're noting in your excerpts. I guess I'm not sure what points of yours you're talking about any more.

Right, I don't disagree with you at all on this point. The government did not do a very good job keeping these things secret. Bradley Manning and others seem to have broken the law and their duties. Not sure what that has to do with Assange. he is a publisher.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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I can tell by your attitude that you would not be able to emotionally handle being physically challenged even a little bit.

I've been dealing with a potentially fatal illness since 95 that has kept me from doing a lot of things. As of now, I no longer get the meds that are needed. The V.A. has cut me off (once again), telling me that I should find a doctor outside the V.A.. Impossible, without insurance. Obama's health plan would help to get the treatment that is needed, yet the republican party would rather I die (and many others) than to secure healthcare for those in need.

So, what type of SB do you have. The mild form, most do not even know that they have it and live a normal life and some even join the military. A friend of mine has a daughter who suffers the most serious form of SB. She suffers from paralyzes and brain fluid amongst other things. Her condition is very serious and she will never know what a normal life is. So, are you in a wheelchair? Maybe leg braces? Being a welder myself for 30+ years, I know how physically demanding welding can be. I cannot imagine that someone with the more serious forms of SB could twist and move around pipe welding 6G. When I welded pipe, by the end of the day my back was screaming. I just cannot imagine that a person with the more serious types of SB can do the job.

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Dude, I have enjoyed more freedom than you will ever know exists. Travel the country by bike? That's not freedom. You still depend on "the man" for the road, gas, etc. That isn't freedom, that's just traveling.

I doubt that you have enjoyed more freedom than I will ever know to exist. By reading your statements, I am assuming that you are under 25yo.
I take it that you have never known the freedom of riding a chopper across the country. Spend a couple of months just rolling without any destination, then talk to me.
An old friend (now deceased due to a cager not paying attention) from West Virgina grew marijuana for more than thirty years. After his harvest he would pack up and roll west on his old Shovel. I would meet up with Jackie T as he rolled into St. Louis and we would head for Sturgis. I asked him as we were camping for the night in the desert in Wyoming if there wasn't something more he wanted from life. He explained, in his way, that what he does is freedom for him. He was not bound to working for someone. He can come and go as he pleases and answers to no one. He did not have a time frame in which to exist in. I, on the other hand, was bound to a time frame in which I had to return to a job. I've always envied Jackie for having that level of freedom. Not a care in the world and just happy to be wherever he was at the moment. He would be about 70 years old today had he not been killed by someone driving a car. He really was a good guy and more than willing to help anyone if they needed his help.
As for depending on the "man"? Well, we all depend on what our tax dollars can buy.

It is funny, however, that you would quote a song written by a pot smoker (given your open hatred for any person who smokes pot.) Hell, the author of that song (Me and Bobby McGee) was supplementing his income in Nashville by selling marijuana. He openly admitted to doing so. He once ran into his house while it was on fire, despite the warning from the fire department to get away, in order to save his stash!

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Spina bifida occulta. Almost got by without any symptoms but not quite. I have, for lack of a better term, a "lazy step" with my left leg. Not a limp or shuffle, just weak. It puts uneven stress on my lower back and hips and cause problems in those areas. I used to jog and bike to try to keep some balance in muscle tone, and it helped for a while until x-rays started to show deteriation of my right hip socket. Doctors said it was from using the right leg to do most of the work. I'll turn 50 this year and am looking at a hip replacement before 55. Since you know somebody with SB then you know i have gotten off easy. A young lady i met in the hoisptial is being cut up piece by piece due to poor circulation. First a toe on one foot, then the other. Then one foot...then the other. Just last year they took a leg at the knee.

Contrary to what you may think I don't hate people who smoke pot. I really don't hate anybody. Well, ok, Assange and Bin Laden. I just see it as a waste of money and time just like excessive drinking. The world is too wonderful and beautiful of a place to miss one second of because of being stoned.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.