Belgian_Draft 0 #501 February 23, 2011 You just don't know when to stop digging do you? You have certainly verified something. You have verified that you deny the existence of anything you have not seen, heard or read. Did it ever occur to you that a lot of information the military recieves is never made public? Or what that information is used for and the results? But at least you aren't alone. Seems you are not the only one who holds that belief.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #502 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteWe want Assange 'hung' No we want him to stand and face his actions. For something. We don't know what that crime actually is, or how it applies to a foreign citizen, but we definitely want our [kangaroo] court to judge him! Just so long as he suffers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #503 February 23, 2011 Actually, we would like his actions investigated to see if he committed any crimes against the US that he can be extradited for and brought here to stand trial. Then if found guilty I would like to see any US citizen who gave him material aid, such as financial donations, to face charges of treason.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #504 February 23, 2011 QuoteActually, we would like his actions investigated to see if he committed any crimes against the US that he can be extradited for and brought here to stand trial. This has been going on for quite a while now. If there was a crime, we'd have heard about it long ago. In other breaking news, we finally know that Obama is a US citizen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #505 February 23, 2011 QuoteNo we want him to stand and face his actions. 1. um, he is standing....quite tall I might add. 2. and the President's birth certificate HAS been produced, yet people still argue about it and we spend countless numbers of hours and tax dollars worrying about it. This is a waste of government time when we could be spending it on 'important things' and it is a waste of my tax dollars. Oh yes, regardless of how ridiculous it might be YOU have the right to waste my tax dollars - i forgot..... 3. Yes, she has a right to run - but it is a sad commentary on the US populace that she receives any credence Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #506 February 23, 2011 WOOHOO! - broke 500 posts!! And Assange is STILL my hero.....! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #507 February 23, 2011 Funny how the same people that are howling loudest about complete transparency in government are the first ones to denigrate people asking for Obama's birth certificate, college transcript and law school writings to be released.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #508 February 23, 2011 How do you know this isn't already a counter intelligence, false information project? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #509 February 23, 2011 His birth certificate has been released. Its release was in response to a legitimate puiblic interest, since he needs to be a US citizen to be President. Releasing his college and law school documents should be entirely up to him. There is no legal need for the public to have access to them. I personally think he should release all his documents, but I also recognize that the decision is his. Obama's documents before he entered government service are not in the same class as documents produced by the government. That being said, I'm on the fence about Wikileaks. I think Manning should be prosecuted to the fullest extent available under the UCMJ. On the other hand, I see that there could be a legitimate need for government documents to be made public if the government were violating the Constitution. I haven't heard about anything in the Wikileaks papers that shows that the goverment was acting illegally. Manning may have disagreed with the war effort, but releasing a bunch of documents just to express his distaste is completely unacceptable. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #510 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteActually, we would like his actions investigated to see if he committed any crimes against the US that he can be extradited for and brought here to stand trial. This has been going on for quite a while now. If there was a crime, we'd have heard about it long ago. Just because no charges have been filed doesn't mean no crime has been committed or that no charges ever will be filed. In other breaking news, we finally know that Obama is a US citizen. Good. I'm glad to know I voted for a legitimate candidate. Now, care to tell us what you would do with a list of names of informants who are friendly to the US?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #511 February 23, 2011 Quote I think Manning should be prosecuted to the fullest extent available under the UCMJ. On the other hand, I see that there could be a legitimate need for government documents to be made public if the government were violating the Constitution. I haven't heard about anything in the Wikileaks papers that shows that the goverment was acting illegally. Manning may have disagreed with the war effort, but releasing a bunch of documents just to express his distaste is completely unacceptable. That's what i've been saying but all I've gotten in return is a bunch of grief from extremists. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #512 February 23, 2011 Well, to be fair, you've said a lot more than that. My difficulty comes when we switch from talking about Manning to Wikileaks/Assange. Assange is not a US citizen, so he obviously can't be tried for treason. I suppose we could try him as an enemy combatant, but I think that is a bullshit legal fiction that we use because it is convenient. I'm at a loss to determine what legal obligation Wikileaks had to keep those documents secret. I don't think that part of the situation is a cut and dried as you think it is. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #513 February 23, 2011 QuoteFunny how the same people that are howling loudest about complete transparency in government are the first ones to denigrate people asking for Obama's birth certificate, college transcript and law school writings to be released. Birthers are being denigrated for refusing to accept that this issue was resolved years ago. The first 10 times they asked the same question, they were entertained. Now they're just a waste of time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #514 February 23, 2011 Quote Just because no charges have been filed doesn't mean no crime has been committed or that no charges ever will be filed. Uh, no. Every bit of dirt available has been thrown at the guy. Apparently, our government, unlike you, understands that there's nothing to charge him with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 507 #515 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuote Just because no charges have been filed doesn't mean no crime has been committed or that no charges ever will be filed. Uh, no. Every bit of dirt available has been thrown at the guy. Apparently, our government, unlike you, understands that there's nothing to charge him with. I agree the US government were uber pissed with Assange and the lack of charges speaks volumes. However it could be that they are working on what charges to bring. You could also argue that the sooner Wikileaks is forgotten the better and a high profile trial is probably not in the best interests of the US government. It would make a fantastic platform for Wikileaks to air the dirtiest US laundry and it is unlikely to be a Guantanamo type trial in secret. So it is plausible that a crime was committed and the decision not to proceed was taken to avoid further embarrassment.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #516 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteDoes the rights of one individual trump the rights of many many other individuals?? Could you answer the question I asked? Quote Does that right to fight for what the individual believes in extend to allow them to remove the rights of many others.. by the most heinous of means?? Do you think that Washington had that right? Do you think the South had the right? Please, I asked a simple question and you said that as long as we stayed polite you would try and answer simple questions. I believe the North had no right to do as they did. I believe the South had the right to disassociate itself from the Union under the Constitution and from a government that was not negotiating the issues of the day in an equal manner . Nearly 2 million Americans died, with a VERY high percentage of that in the south. Those decisions created the bloated stupidity and lack of rights by states that we have today Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #517 February 23, 2011 QuoteI believe the North had no right to do as they did. I believe the South had the right to disassociate itself from the Union under the Constitution and from a government that was not negotiating the issues of the day in an equal manner . Nearly 2 million Americans died, with a VERY high percentage of that in the south. Those decisions created the bloated stupidity and lack of rights by states that we have today Well-stated, Jeanne.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #518 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Just because no charges have been filed doesn't mean no crime has been committed or that no charges ever will be filed. Uh, no. Every bit of dirt available has been thrown at the guy. Apparently, our government, unlike you, understands that there's nothing to charge him with. I agree the US government were uber pissed with Assange and the lack of charges speaks volumes. However it could be that they are working on what charges to bring. You could also argue that the sooner Wikileaks is forgotten the better and a high profile trial is probably not in the best interests of the US government. It would make a fantastic platform for Wikileaks to air the dirtiest US laundry and it is unlikely to be a Guantanamo type trial in secret. So it is plausible that a crime was committed and the decision not to proceed was taken to avoid further embarrassment. Yep!HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #519 February 23, 2011 QuoteWell, to be fair, you've said a lot more than that. My difficulty comes when we switch from talking about Manning to Wikileaks/Assange. Assange is not a US citizen, so he obviously can't be tried for treason. I suppose we could try him as an enemy combatant, but I think that is a bullshit legal fiction that we use because it is convenient. I'm at a loss to determine what legal obligation Wikileaks had to keep those documents secret. I don't think that part of the situation is a cut and dried as you think it is. I am not under any illusion that it is cut-and-dried. I think that Wikileaks and Assange had no legalobligation to keep those documents secret as long as they were legally obtained. With Assange's known disslike of the US, his love of attention, and his arrogant attitude it is no stretch to suspect he conspired with Manning pre-theft.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #520 February 23, 2011 Quote Quote I believe the North had no right to do as they did. I believe the South had the right to disassociate itself from the Union under the Constitution and from a government that was not negotiating the issues of the day in an equal manner . Nearly 2 million Americans died, with a VERY high percentage of that in the south. Those decisions created the bloated stupidity and lack of rights by states that we have today Well-stated, Jeanne. Quick.... head to Sick Call.... you need to be closely checked out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #521 February 23, 2011 Quote Quote Well-stated, Jeanne. Quick.... head to Sick Call.... you need to be closely checked out Credit where it's due - I've said several times that you can make good points, when you want to.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #522 February 24, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Well-stated, Jeanne. Quick.... head to Sick Call.... you need to be closely checked out Credit where it's due - I've said several times that you can make good points, when you want to. Who the hell are you and what have you done with Mike? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #523 February 24, 2011 QuoteYou just don't know when to stop digging do you? You have certainly verified something. You have verified that you deny the existence of anything you have not seen, heard or read. Did it ever occur to you that a lot of information the military recieves is never made public? Or what that information is used for and the results? But at least you aren't alone. Seems you are not the only one who holds that belief. Mind reading again? Don't give up your day job. *whoosh*My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #524 February 24, 2011 Mike? Mike? Mike...can you hear me? Somebody bring the smelling salts....for ME! Luv ya, Mikeeeee! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #525 February 24, 2011 The Guardian is doing its part, too. So goes the one started by ex Wikileaks workers but I lost the link...it's in here somewhere in a previous post from someone. If you can find it re-post, eh? I went through several pages here and couldn't locate it...I probably rolled right over it without realizing it.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
