Wikileaks nomination for Nobel....

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There is benefit to society from you engaging in walking down a flight of stairs - god forbid man YOU COULD GET HURT - GET AHOLD OF YOURSELF!!!! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!!!!

OK...he owes me for the cold compress I had to put on my hand caused by spilling hot coffee on it while laughing. It was unforeseen.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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All this time I thought your screen name refered to beer. Huh.

Sorry about your horses.

- Dan G

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"We've taken care of everything, the words you read, the songs you sing, the pictures that give pleasure to your eye. "
Sorry, Comrade, you can keep your socialized medicine. I'll pay my own insurance. My taxes already support enough slackers.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Dont send it to me, I am in favor of each paying their own way. Send it to tk. He likes everyone sharing the costs of people hurting themselves intentionally.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Back on topic:

Manning faces more charges

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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It's very understandable - people should pay for what YOU want, but you shouldn't have to pay for what your employees want until other people can subsidize your cost.

In regards to health care, yes, you are absolutely 100% correct. That is my stand. I'll send you the bill.

At least you admit your hypocrisy.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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>>How was the public served by the Iraq war?

>You don't agree with it. Fine. It still falls under public service.

Nope. How is any member of the US public served by the Iraq war?

>Providing services to victims of crimes and accidents, yes. Providing srvices
>to people who injure themselves through ggfross neglect...not so much.

So if your tire blows because you neglected to change them at the recommended intervals to try to save money, and you are injured in the resulting accident - no services for you! You are clearly guilty of gross neglect. Why should other people pay for your irresponsibility?

If your child crosses the road but does not look both ways - no services for her! She was surely guilty of neglect which directly caused her injury. Why should other people pay for her error?

The above are examples of why it would be asinine for an ER to try to determine whether or not the person was guilty of neglect before treating them. Which is why we provide medical services to those who were injured regardless of the circumstances under which they were injured. I'm sure you would agree with this if a member of your family, or a friend, were in a position where they might be left to die due to their own error.

>You fail to differentiate between costs associated with the operation of a country
>and the costs of treating stupid people.

And you fail to understand the meaning of "public service." It means serving the public. Some of them are stupid. Indeed, half are below average intelligence. They are the public too, no matter how much you look down your nose at them.

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Sorry, Comrade, you can keep your socialized medicine. I'll pay my own insurance. My taxes already support enough slackers.

Sorry Comrade, you can keep your socialized military. I'll pay my own security. My taxes already support enough death and destruction.

Thanks once again for making my point even clearer

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At least you admit your hypocrisy.

define hypocrisy.....

I advocate for peace on earth. That does not make me a hypocrite if I refuse to pay for it myself.

I advocate no wars. That does not make me a hypocrite if I refuse to pay for all wars to stop.

I advocate for better education systems. It does not make me a hypocrite if I am not willing top fund it all from my own pocket.

try again my friend - I know you are smarter than that (name-calling that is)

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At least you admit your hypocrisy.

define hypocrisy.....

"You should pay for MY health insurance, but I shouldn't have to pay for my employee's health insurance."

Or conversely, stating that you won't provide health insurance to your employees until it's subsidized by other people, while at the same time paying for your own health insurance.

You're very big on talking on how people should be taken care of, until it comes time to open your wallet, evidently.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Sorry, Comrade, you can keep your socialized medicine. I'll pay my own insurance. My taxes already support enough slackers.

Sorry Comrade, you can keep your socialized military. I'll pay my own security. My taxes already support enough death and destruction.

Thanks once again for making my point even clearer

Oh, so now you have changed you mind and want to pay for your own insurance?
Smart man.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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>>How was the public served by the Iraq war?

>You don't agree with it. Fine. It still falls under public service.

Nope. How is any member of the US public served by the Iraq war?

>Providing services to victims of crimes and accidents, yes. Providing srvices
>to people who injure themselves through ggfross neglect...not so much.

So if your tire blows because you neglected to change them at the recommended intervals to try to save money, and you are injured in the resulting accident - no services for you! You are clearly guilty of gross neglect. Why should other people pay for your irresponsibility?

If your child crosses the road but does not look both ways - no services for her! She was surely guilty of neglect which directly caused her injury. Why should other people pay for her error?

The above are examples of why it would be asinine for an ER to try to determine whether or not the person was guilty of neglect before treating them. Which is why we provide medical services to those who were injured regardless of the circumstances under which they were injured. I'm sure you would agree with this if a member of your family, or a friend, were in a position where they might be left to die due to their own error.

>You fail to differentiate between costs associated with the operation of a country
>and the costs of treating stupid people.

And you fail to understand the meaning of "public service." It means serving the public. Some of them are stupid. Indeed, half are below average intelligence. They are the public too, no matter how much you look down your nose at them.

Ok, fine, we'll have socialized health care for everyone. Want to participate in a dangerous activity or self mutilation? Go right ahead, you're covered! Hell, Bill, let's not stop there...let's have socialized feed bags as well! Nobody gets to pick what they have for meals anymore. No sir, we raised taxes so the government feeds everyone the same. No more tapioca pudding for Bill! You get mush for breakfast, Spam for lunch, and yummy protein paste on white bread for supper. But HEY! We can do more! We can raise taxes even higher and everybody lives in government suplied housing. That's right...you get to live in exactly the same style of housing unit as Bill Gates! it should be easy since we have had public housng before and look ow well that worked out.
Thanks, comrade Bill, but I'll handle my own needs for health insurance and lifestyle. I will live, or die, by MY choices...not yours.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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>Ok, fine, we'll have socialized health care for everyone.

If you like. I think that's going a bit far, but if that floats your boat, go for it.

>Want to participate in a dangerous activity or self mutilation? Go right ahead, you're
>covered! Smile Want to have 20 kids and free health care for all of them since you can't
>hold down a job? Perfect! We can help you there too!

Again, OK. I assume you are fine paying for this.

>No more tapioca pudding for Bill!

Hmm. You seem to have gone off the rails a bit.

>Thanks, comrade Bill

Ah well, it was an interesting discussion until you started in with the insults.

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>Ok, fine, we'll have socialized health care for everyone.

If you like. I think that's going a bit far, but if that floats your boat, go for it.

>Want to participate in a dangerous activity or self mutilation? Go right ahead, you're
>covered! Smile Want to have 20 kids and free health care for all of them since you can't
>hold down a job? Perfect! We can help you there too!

Again, OK. I assume you are fine paying for this.

>No more tapioca pudding for Bill!

Hmm. You seem to have gone off the rails a bit.

>Thanks, comrade Bill

Ah well, it was an interesting discussion until you started in with the insults.

Hey, buddy, you're one who was pushing socialized health care, not me. So now you are going to follow tk and say you don't want it? Perfect!
As for the comrade remark....when someone starts pushing socialist ideals, the hat fits.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Oh, so now you have changed you mind and want to pay for your own insurance?
Smart man.

um, I AM paying for it......given a choice I would pay the TAXES to pay for it....

since I have no choice, then I choose ot pay for health insurance.

Kinda like since I have no choice, I 'choose' to pay for homeowners insurance as well.

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"You should pay for MY health insurance, but I shouldn't have to pay for my employee's health insurance."

Or conversely, stating that you won't provide health insurance to your employees until it's subsidized by other people, while at the same time paying for your own health insurance.

You're very big on talking on how people should be taken care of, until it comes time to open your wallet, evidently.

not quite right - I choose to pay for my health insurance BECAUSE I have no choice for 'health care'.

Your issue might be health insurance but my choice is health care.

You are smarter than that as well. The issue is health care, not health insurance. Currently the country provides health insurance. It does a very poor job, if any, of providing health care.

again, i will type slower so you can understand. If I was hypocritical, I would preach health INSURANCE while failing to provide myself with health INSURANCE.

I preach health care, but I provide myself with health INSURANCE, because health CARE does not exist.

Not to mention that I can afford health insurance, barely, but it would be impossible to provide health insurance to all of my employees, as it is for most small businesses in this country. (and large businesses for that matter.) I made my case several posts ago - you forgot to read it.

twist it whatever way you want.

Even if I was the most hypocritical fuck in the world and on this thread, it does not invalidate the argument of healthcare for all. sorry, try again.

How it is again that you privately support the war on terrorism? remind me please? Is your wallet open? Are you buying tanks and mortars?

anyway, not the point, and you know, but a nice try at a distraction and a side-show

ASSANGE IS MY HERO!!!! I hear he got nominated for a bunch of other humanitarian awards.....

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Oh, so now you have changed you mind and want to pay for your own insurance?
Smart man.

um, I AM paying for it......given a choice I would pay the TAXES to pay for it....

since I have no choice, then I choose ot pay for health insurance.

Kinda like since I have no choice, I 'choose' to pay for homeowners insurance as well.

Of course you want taxes to pay for your health care. That way you don't have to buy insurance for your employees and you get to pocket more money. So what if the quality of the care falls to shit? I mean, you end up with more money, right?
One big problem with society today is that fewer and fewer people are willing to provide for themselves. they want the government to do everything for them.
Coming up next: Government mandated and supplied food & housing. No choice, take what they give you. Same as the health care you propose.

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Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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So what if the quality of the care falls to shit? I mean, you end up with more money, right?

So at least you agree then that Universal Health Care will save money - wow , what a concept.....!

Not sure how you come to the conclusion that health care will go to shit. Canada, Europe, almost all socialized medicine countries have longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates,

ding ding ding - we have a winner. lower costs and better health care. WOW

every time you speak you continue to make my argument - keep up the good work

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So what if the quality of the care falls to shit? I mean, you end up with more money, right?

So at least you agree then that Universal Health Care will save money - wow , what a concept.....!

Not sure how you come to the conclusion that health care will go to shit. Canada, Europe, almost all socialized medicine countries have longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates,

ding ding ding - we have a winner. lower costs and better health care. WOW

every time you speak you continue to make my argument - keep up the good work

Though doctors' salaries are considerably lower in those nations- not an easy thing for Americans to swallow, considering the enormous expense required to become a doctor here.

ANYWAY, remember when this thread was about ASSANGE?!

Come, my friends! 'Tis not too late to seek out a newer world!

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So what if the quality of the care falls to shit? I mean, you end up with more money, right?

So at least you agree then that Universal Health Care will save money - wow , what a concept.....!

Not sure how you come to the conclusion that health care will go to shit. Canada, Europe, almost all socialized medicine countries have longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates,

ding ding ding - we have a winner. lower costs and better health care. WOW

every time you speak you continue to make my argument - keep up the good work

Though doctors' salaries are considerably lower in those nations- not an easy thing for Americans to swallow, considering the enormous expense required to become a doctor here.

ANYWAY, remember when this thread was about ASSANGE?!

That is very easy to fix. They will be doing something good for their society or so they keep trying to tell us right, so society needs to bear the brunt of their training. If I am not mistaken the military pays for quite a few people to acquire the skills that they need including doctors. The doctors are then obligated to pay that back by serving their country for a specified period of time.

That my dear is a win win for everyone.

I think a few of the "conservatards" forget about things like that all too conveniently and spout off with the usual pap about socialism.

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Though doctors' salaries are considerably lower in those nations- not an easy thing for Americans to swallow, considering the enormous expense required to become a doctor here.

Though doctors' salaries are considerably lower in those nations- not an easy thing for American DOCTORS to swallow, considering the enormous expense required to become a doctor here.
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I agree, that is a concern. But is it really? I googled a bunch of articles that saw differences, but not huge differences.

Bottom line, doctors make a lot of money. If the CEO of a company makes $70,000,000/yr and a new regulation cuts his salary to $50,000,000/yr, y'know what? No one but that person gives a fuck.

Doctors in Florida have extremely high malpractice insurance. So they make less money than in other states. But I do not see Florida radically changing their ways to fix that.

So the solution is not only Universal helathcare - it is fixes to the tort law system, fixes to the education system, fixes to the billing systems, etc

Gotta start somewhere. Maybe there would be fewer lawsuits related to medical bills if people knew they were not going to go bankrupt just because they fell down the stairs.

ASSANGE IS MY HERO!!!

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I tried to get us back on topic but it seems it is better to argue about health insurance. Oh well, maybe the topic is just played out.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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I tried to get us back on topic but it seems it is better to argue about health insurance. Oh well, maybe the topic is just played out.

no there was not much thread drift. It is not far to go from a leak to a pissing contest

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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That is very easy to fix. They will be doing something good for their society or so they keep trying to tell us right, so society needs to bear the brunt of their training. If I am not mistaken the military pays for quite a few people to acquire the skills that they need including doctors. The doctors are then obligated to pay that back by serving their country for a specified period of time.

That my dear is a win win for everyone.

I think a few of the "conservatards" forget about things like that all too conveniently and spout off with the usual pap about socialism.

LOL, so anybody wishing to be a doctor serves mandatory military time? Yep, that'll go over real well.

Come, my friends! 'Tis not too late to seek out a newer world!

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That is very easy to fix. They will be doing something good for their society or so they keep trying to tell us right, so society needs to bear the brunt of their training. If I am not mistaken the military pays for quite a few people to acquire the skills that they need including doctors. The doctors are then obligated to pay that back by serving their country for a specified period of time.

That my dear is a win win for everyone.

I think a few of the "conservatards" forget about things like that all too conveniently and spout off with the usual pap about socialism.

LOL, so anybody wishing to be a doctor serves mandatory military time? Yep, that'll go over real well.

No.. not at all..

But think about how many small towns with no doctors HAVE put young promising students thru medical school with the contract to come home and serve their community for a period of time.