mnealtx 0 #701 March 8, 2011 Quotekissing patrician ass anyone?? I don't think the unions are patrician...but go ahead and kiss away.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #702 March 8, 2011 QuoteQuotekissing patrician ass anyone?? I don't think the unions are patrician...but go ahead and kiss away. NO way man.. I would NEVER try to ASS block any of you guys... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMimqfJVedE&playnext=1&list=PLB89470E99A958316 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #703 March 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotekissing patrician ass anyone?? I don't think the unions are patrician...but go ahead and kiss away. NO way man.. I would NEVER try to ASS block any of you guys... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMimqfJVedE&playnext=1&list=PLB89470E99A958316 Oh, a Youtube video..how quaint. I'm sure it lives up to your usual standards, namely being lame and more applicable to yourself than to who you address it to.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #704 March 8, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote kissing patrician ass anyone?? I don't think the unions are patrician...but go ahead and kiss away. NO way man.. I would NEVER try to ASS block any of you guys... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMimqfJVedE&playnext=1&list=PLB89470E99A958316 Oh, a Youtube video..how quaint. I'm sure it lives up to your usual standards, namely being lame and more applicable to yourself than to who you address it to. No its VERY applicable to all yall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #705 March 8, 2011 QuoteBy all studies, the percentage of people in favor of UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE is on the order of 63-70% - look it up yourself. I see, I provide my data, you make a claim. But I'll even find one for you. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/poll-americans-overwhelmingly-favor-universal-health-care----until-taxes-are-mentioned.php Now here's where it gets really tricky: "Would you prefer a health care reform plan that raises taxes in order to provide health insurance to all Americans, or a plan that does not provide health insurance to all Americans but keeps taxes at current levels?" It is now a 47%-47% tie, thanks to the threat of tax increases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #706 March 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteYep. But you don't seem to understand why they have government supplid health care the the rest of us don't. yer goddamn right I don't! If it's good enough for them, then its good enough for EVERYONE! "all men a re created equal...." NOT! Even if all men were created equal it still wouldn't change things. You are not born owed anything. You have to earn it. Health care included. You are still talking like the world owes you something. As for the military people....they sacrifice for their benefits. You just want them handed to you like so much candy.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #707 March 8, 2011 QuoteThe USA is running in the red, but we still run. And you think that is a good way to run? QuoteGo ahead and call names - if that's all you can do. Look back and you will see you were the first to throw out insults. QuoteYou continue to make my case stronger and stronger. Only in your mind... QuoteNone of you have actually demonstrated a case against universal health care, using either Canada or any other socialized country. Thats just you ignoring facts..... I already mentioned how a PM from Canada went to the US to have surgery, how Canadian citizens had to sue to get private HC insurance, how France has been running in the red for the last 20 years... Even after tax increases and service reductions. Heck you even RESPONDED to the French comment. So we HAVE given arguments based on data... You have just ignored them (after you responded to them and realized your position was weak). QuoteBottom line? You stand as strong 'patriots' loyal to your country with your flag flying and the anthem playing, and your hand on your chest - but the reality is that you could give a flying fuck about your fellow countrymen, not matter what their needs are. American greed at its finest. You want to see greed? Look in the mirror. You refuse to provide HC to your employees so you can make more profit. Congratulations!!! You have met your own definition of an American. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #708 March 8, 2011 QuoteIf I serve the country by carrying a gun, then the government owes me a lifetime of security, health care and benefits. I get it. What about the lady who assembled the gun that I carry? What about the guy who put together the bullets that I shoot in that gun? What about the Immigrant who sewed the armor that I am wearing? What about the housekeeper who took care of my house while I was in Iraq (defending the country), took care of my kids, so my wife could get a job so we could make ends meet....??? Then just like the guy in the military their EMPLOYER should provide HC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #709 March 8, 2011 QuoteVeteran's health care is a socialist (i.e. government controlled) entitlement No, it is COMPENSATION EARNED through participation in the armed forces. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VincePetaccio 0 #710 March 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteVeteran's health care is a socialist (i.e. government controlled) entitlement No, it is COMPENSATION EARNED through participation in the armed forces. +1Come, my friends! 'Tis not too late to seek out a newer world! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #711 March 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteVeteran's health care is a socialist (i.e. government controlled) entitlement No, it is COMPENSATION EARNED through participation in the armed forces. +1 Keywords: Compensation & earnedHAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #712 March 8, 2011 Quote From Davinci You want to see greed? Look in the mirror. You refuse to provide HC to your employees so you can make more profit. "The world owes me health care because I am an employee!" From whatshisname: You are not born owed anything. You have to earn it. Health care included. You are still talking like the world owes you something. "You don't get health care because I don't owe you a damned thing." Man, I can hear the head-butt echo from here.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #713 March 8, 2011 Quote Then just like the guy in the military their EMPLOYER should provide HC. Bullshit. I gave you a job. I pay you for your services. What you do with the money is up to you. I suppose next you'll want me provide some husband-duties for the wife. Oh...wait....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #714 March 8, 2011 Quote Quote Then just like the guy in the military their EMPLOYER should provide HC. Bullshit. I gave you a job. I pay you for your services. What you do with the money is up to you. I suppose next you'll want me provide some husband-duties for the wife. Oh...wait.... are you offering to be the "Wife"I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #715 March 9, 2011 QuoteBullshit. I gave you a job. I pay you for your services. What you do with the money is up to you. Which includes not paying for someone else's insurance. Glad to see you finally realize it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #716 March 9, 2011 >No, it is COMPENSATION EARNED through participation in the armed forces. I agree! They are entitled to their socialist health care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #717 March 9, 2011 QuoteI gave you a job. I pay you for your services. What you do with the money is up to you. Some places do just that. Most have trouble keeping employees without insurance as part of a compensation package. Some have no trouble keeping people because they pay more than enough to make up the difference.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #718 March 9, 2011 Quote>No, it is COMPENSATION EARNED through participation in the armed forces. I agree! They are entitled to their socialist health care. You still haven't explained your reasoning behind calling the military's health care socialist.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #719 March 9, 2011 >You still haven't explained your reasoning behind calling the military's health care socialist. The government provides and allocates the service. That's the definition of socialist. (Also true of roads, sewage systems, broadcast frequency allocation, libraries, schools etc.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #720 March 9, 2011 QuoteThats just you ignoring facts..... I already mentioned how a PM from Canada went to the US to have surgery, how Canadian citizens had to sue to get private HC insurance, how France has been running in the red for the last 20 years... Even after tax increases and service reductions. Heck you even RESPONDED to the French comment. So we HAVE given arguments based on data... You have just ignored them (after you responded to them and realized your position was weak). And for every Canadian you can find that went to the US for medical help, I can find an American that went to some other country because they could not afford it here. I know two people that went to India for back surgery. I know a skydiver that went to France for shoulder surgery. whatever. You will find the exceptions in any rule. The exception does not make the rule. I stand by argument - I am sure that you stand by yours. Longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, lower cost per capita. Your solution to today's Health Care issues in the USA would be..........? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #721 March 9, 2011 Quote>You still haven't explained your reasoning behind calling the military's health care socialist. The government provides and allocates the service. That's the definition of socialist. (Also true of roads, sewage systems, broadcast frequency allocation, libraries, schools etc.) Ok, so you are going by a secondary definition. So so are saying that I am contradicting myself for accepting a socialist health care system for our volunteer soldiers as part of their compensation for services while decrying tk's attempts to force a similar system on the rest of us? A key concept you keep missing is forced vs voluntary. Thanks, but no thanks. I will gladly pay more for the health insurance I want. You pay for yours, I'll pay for mine, and tk can pay for his if he can find anyone to cover him since he has proven himself to be an extremely high risk.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #722 March 9, 2011 >Ok, so you are going by a secondary definition. Here's Webster's first line on the subject: "Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods." >So so are saying that I am contradicting myself for accepting a socialist >health care system for our volunteer soldiers as part of their compensation for >services while decrying tk's attempts to force a similar system on the rest of >us? No. I am saying that you prefer one socialist entitlement system over another. That is not an unreasonable position; some socialist programs _are_ better than others; just having a system be socialist (or capitalist for that matter) does not mean it's good or bad . For example, you may like government-provided roads, but not government-provided welfare. You may like private ownership of telecommunications companies but oppose private ownership of branches of the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #723 March 9, 2011 QuoteLonger life expectancy Lifestyle issues, not medical care. Quotelower infant mortality rates Teen pregnancy and drug pregnancies, not medical care. Quotelower cost per capita. Amazing what you can hide when you take it out BEFORE they see the paycheck. Let's call it "lower out of pocket costs to be truthful. QuoteYour solution to today's Health Care issues in the USA would be..........? Efficacy = #1 ranking. How do we get better than #1 in ranking what hospitals and doctors do?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #724 March 9, 2011 Quote >Ok, so you are going by a secondary definition. Here's Webster's first line on the subject: "Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods." >So so are saying that I am contradicting myself for accepting a socialist >health care system for our volunteer soldiers as part of their compensation for >services while decrying tk's attempts to force a similar system on the rest of >us? No. I am saying that you prefer one socialist entitlement system over another. That is not an unreasonable position; some socialist programs _are_ better than others; just having a system be socialist (or capitalist for that matter) does not mean it's good or bad . For example, you may like government-provided roads, but not government-provided welfare. You may like private ownership of telecommunications companies but oppose private ownership of branches of the military. Bill, you really need to be more precise in quoting which part of the definition you are using. If i didn't know better I would think you were trying to mislead the reader. The part you quoted pertains to an entire system, not just a part of a system. Section 2.b, "a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state " fits what you are trying to explain much better.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism Entitlements? That's a bullshit idea that people buy into thinking they are owed something just for being born. Once again, nobody on this earth is owed anything until they earn it. Entitlements my ass. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #725 March 9, 2011 Quote Quote Thats just you ignoring facts..... I already mentioned how a PM from Canada went to the US to have surgery, how Canadian citizens had to sue to get private HC insurance, how France has been running in the red for the last 20 years... Even after tax increases and service reductions. Heck you even RESPONDED to the French comment. So we HAVE given arguments based on data... You have just ignored them (after you responded to them and realized your position was weak). And for every Canadian you can find that went to the US for medical help, I can find an American that went to some other country because they could not afford it here. I know two people that went to India for back surgery. I know a skydiver that went to France for shoulder surgery. whatever. You will find the exceptions in any rule. The exception does not make the rule. I stand by argument - I am sure that you stand by yours. Longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, lower cost per capita. Your solution to today's Health Care issues in the USA would be..........? hey tk! When are you going to post some data to back up your claims? Don't foget to include stats about obesity and other preventable health problems. (Oh hell, we know you won't because that will just blow your entire argument out the freakin' window )HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
