Wikileaks nomination for Nobel....

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Wow, - yes you are right, keep talkin', keep talkin'

Geez, TK, you do realize that there's more than one of his ilk that think the convoluted way he is spouting?
THAT'S the scary part.


It's pointless, except for the fun of it, to feed him.
Pointing out his inconsistencies doesn't even phase him...obviously off the wall.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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So, umm.....what's Assange up to lately???

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Wow, - yes you are right, keep talkin', keep talkin'

Geez, TK, you do realize that there's more than one of his ilk that think the convoluted way he is spouting?
THAT'S the scary part.


It's pointless, except for the fun of it, to feed him.
Pointing out his inconsistencies doesn't even phase him...obviously off the wall.

I have challenged you before to point out any inconstencies, but you have neglected to do so.
Wanna try again? Or are you all talk?

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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Who said anything about value? Where the fuck did THAT come from????

You said that.

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Veterans are people who served in the miitary. The government is providing those services to people who did something for their country other than sit on their fat ass and make more babies.

You categorized all americans as either 'veterans' or 'fat lazy people who make babies'

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No, creating jobs does not earn you free health care.

No one said health care was free. I am advocating health care for all, paid for through the tax base, which means all taxpayers pay for it.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of having people like you object to socialized medicine when you in turn support socialized medicine (The VA for example).

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Who said anything about value? Where the fuck did THAT come from????

You said that.

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Veterans are people who served in the miitary. The government is providing those services to people who did something for their country other than sit on their fat ass and make more babies.

You categorized all americans as either 'veterans' or 'fat lazy people who make babies'

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No, creating jobs does not earn you free health care.

No one said health care was free. I am advocating health care for all, paid for through the tax base, which means all taxpayers pay for it.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of having people like you object to socialized medicine when you in turn support socialized medicine (The VA for example).

Dude, you have gone totally off the wall. You can't even distinguish between the military and civilian population.
Here it is in a nutshell. Maybe you can understand this since you seem to get easily confused.
Are you ready? Take notes!
The world does not owe you a living. I do not owe you a living. The world doesn't owe you anything. I don't owe you anything. Stop begging.
Understand? Even if you don't, be a big boy and deal with it.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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You can't even distinguish between the military and civilian population.

yer goddamn right I can't.... "all men are created equal" Not the Constitution, but certainly the intent, unless you can demonstrate to me otherwise.

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The world does not owe you a living. I do not owe you a living. The world doesn't owe you anything. I don't owe you anything. Stop begging.

I never said that, once again, you take what I say and change it into something I did not say.

If you want to argue about health care - then bring it on - 'cause I have not seen/heard anything from you yet that even comes close.

If you want to misquote me all day long - well I guess that is about as good as you are capable of then.

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Understand? Even if you don't, be a big boy and deal with it.

Democracy. If I don't like it, I speak up. I don't 'deal with it' - I work to change it. My right. Even my civic responsibility as a citizen.

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unless you can demonstrate to me otherwise

I already have. Refer to my last posts.

I don't have to put words in your mouth. You said it all when you said you want the government to pay for your health care.
I'm a big boy. I pay for health insurance. i even pay extra for a policy that covers me when I jump out of airplanes, drive race cars, and fly a small aircraft. You see, I undertake those activities knowing there is a greater risk of injury than just sitting at home or walking along a lake. I don't expect somebody else to have to foot the bill if i get injured in one of those activities....you do.
I am willing to except responsibility for myself and my actions.
You aren't.
Come on out from behind mother's apron and stand on your own two feet.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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And I am advocating that you can pay LESS money for better coverage and you will not have to 'get extra coverage' because of ANY risk that you take.

And so would all Americans.

Nothing to do with my mother's apron strings. My mother does not pay for health insurance either. As a matter of fact, she got two new knees in six months in that 'defective horrible commie socialist system' that you despise so much. What did she have to pay? Income tax.

Did anyone deny her claim? No. Did she have to wait a while? Yes. Did she go bankrupt? No.

I am willing to accept responsibility for my own actions. I am also willing to accept some of the responsibility for yours too. And his. And hers. And that guy over there.

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And I am advocating that you can pay LESS money for better coverage and you will not have to 'get extra coverage' because of ANY risk that you take.

And so would all Americans.

Nothing to do with my mother's apron strings. My mother does not pay for health insurance either. As a matter of fact, she got two new knees in six months in that 'defective horrible commie socialist system' that you despise so much. What did she have to pay? Income tax.

Did anyone deny her claim? No. Did she have to wait a while? Yes. Did she go bankrupt? No.

I am willing to accept responsibility for my own actions. I am also willing to accept some of the responsibility for yours too. And his. And hers. And that guy over there.

Let's see who would pay more and who would pay less....
I am single and pay my own health insurance. Under your plan I would be forced to pay more income taxes to pay for health care for everyone. My taxes would go up more than what i pay now in health insurance.
A person who supports an average size family probably would not be affected much.
Someone who pays for health insurance for a very large family, say 8 or 10 members, would save a lot under your plan.
People who collect welfare or don't make enough to pay income taxes would get free health care.
There would be no difference between high risk participants and low risk participants.
You, as a business owner, would save a bundle on health insurance. But you would probably pay more than that in increased taxes.
My parents also had knee replacements. My father also had both shoulders worked on. Insurance picked up the tab and there was virtually no wait.
You say you are willing to accept responsibility for your own actions, but you contradict that claim when you say you want everyone else to accept part of the reponsibility for patching you up. Accepting responsibility means if you fuck up and hurt yourself, you pay the cost either directly or via insurance you have aquired. It does not mean making everyone pay for your mistakes, especially the kid minding his own business and will most likely never break a bone or suffer a concussion. His worse injury is likely to be a paper cut. I am sure you would gladly split his medical bills if he will split yours.

HAMMER:
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object we are trying to hit.

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My taxes would go up more than what i pay now in health insurance.

You have produced no data to support that claim. Other countries offer lower per capita cost for health care and enjoy longer life spans, better disease prevention and lower infant mortality.

Support your claim please. Or would you rather talk about my mother's apron strings?

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Accepting responsibility means if you fuck up and hurt yourself, you pay the cost either directly or via insurance you have aquired.

That is one definition of PERSONAL responsibility. I am advocating social responsibility. Although I doubt your definition of responsibility is going to be found in any doctrine anywhere.

Example: Has GWB accepted PERSONAL responsibility by paying for all the dead and injured soldiers when he sent them to a war that was based on false premises? (fucking up as you say)

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My taxes would go up more than what i pay now in health insurance.

You have produced no data to support that claim. Other countries offer lower per capita cost for health care and enjoy longer life spans, better disease prevention and lower infant mortality.

Support your claim please. Or would you rather talk about my mother's apron strings?

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Accepting responsibility means if you fuck up and hurt yourself, you pay the cost either directly or via insurance you have aquired.

That is one definition of PERSONAL responsibility. I am advocating social responsibility. Although I doubt your definition of responsibility is going to be found in any doctrine anywhere.

Example: Has GWB accepted PERSONAL responsibility by paying for all the dead and injured soldiers when he sent them to a war that was based on false premises? (fucking up as you say)

You made your claims first. Go ahead and post data. Don't forget to include factors such as obesity, lifestyle, crime rates, etc.
And what does GWB have to do with you or I accepting responsibility for our choices and actions? Are you saying you pattern your life after him?

HAMMER:
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Instead of "YOU" though, I would substitute "THE MAJORITY OF AMERICAN PEOPLE". And instead of "ME", substitute "EVERYONE" and since this is a democracy, it would be nice if the government got the fuck to work making it happen.

"Everyone" does not want the "people" to pay for HC.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

53% Favor Repeal of Health Care Law

53% is > half. Anyway, it is not "Everyone".

But even for those who voiced their support for the legislation, the President's plan is less than ideal. Only 36 percent of all poll participants thought the plan was a "good idea".

36% is ALSO not "Everyone"......

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When you personalize as one 'me' you make it sound like you and I are standing here alone. When that is far from the truth.

And when you say "Everyone" you seem to try to make people think that is more than half.... Which is not even true.

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and put all the money into the pot, along with a small income tax increase, and suddenly we would have Medicare that CAN actually afford to pay for everyone

England's system runs in the red
France's has been in the red for over 20 years.
In Canada people SUED to be allowed to have PRIVATE HC. Newfoundland's Premier Danny Williams went to FL to have heart surgery.....

None of your data is actually supporting your position.

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I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT INDIVIDUALS PAY FOR HEALTH CARE.

Bullshit. You just want it to be paid in TAXES instead of out of a paycheck.

It is clear you want others to pay for the things you want. You clearly COULD pay for HC for your office staff... But you choose NOT TO and would rather make guys like me pay for it so you can protect your wallet.

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The hypocracy of tk wanting taxpayers to pay for his health care in one breath and complaining about having to provided health care for his employees in the next somewhat speaks for itself.

No he wants OTHERS to pay for his employees HC. While HE only pays for HIS and refuses to provide it for them to make more money.

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yer goddamn right I can't....

Clearly..... You are unable to distinguish between earned compensation (Military vets and the VA. They earned the right based on service, not unlike how my company pays my HC costs) and giving away the store.

The best part is you COULD provide HC to your employees (just like the VA provides HC to vets) but you just choose not to to make your wallet fatter.

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As such they should be taken care of by the government and that includes health care.

Lol, communist.

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As such they should be taken care of by the government and that includes health care.

Lol, communist.

No, communism would do that for virtually everyone, not just those in the military.

HAMMER:
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object we are trying to hit.

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53% Favor Repeal of Health Care Law

True, but the health care law is NOT universal health care. By all studies, the percentage of people in favor of UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE is on the order of 63-70% - look it up yourself.

More than half- MUCH more than half. So much for democracy

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England's system runs in the red
France's has been in the red for over 20 years.
In Canada people SUED to be allowed to have PRIVATE HC. Newfoundland's Premier Danny Williams went to FL to have heart surgery.....

The USA is running in the red, but we still run.

Medical bills currently are the cause of 60% of bankruptcies in the USA, so arguably the system we have is running in the red too.

No one in Canada went bankrupt due to falling down the stairs. Here it is a regular occurrence.

Go ahead and call names - if that's all you can do. You continue to make my case stronger and stronger.

The argument is not about my willingness to provide health care for my staff. It is about my case for universal health care for everyone, paid for through the tax base. That is what universal health care is by definition. It is not in any way, an employer paying for their staff's health care. Or insurance for that matter.

But feel free to change the definitions - just like you feel free to misquote and change what I say to suit your needs. Feel free to equate Obamacare with Universal Health Care or Medicare, when they are nothing in the same.

None of you have actually demonstrated a case against universal health care, using either Canada or any other socialized country.

And the reason is? 'cause it works pretty well - that's why.

Bottom line? You stand as strong 'patriots' loyal to your country with your flag flying and the anthem playing, and your hand on your chest - but the reality is that you could give a flying fuck about your fellow countrymen, not matter what their needs are. American greed at its finest.

[normiss 806]

Damn Assange is having a tough year!
Swedish Lawyer investigated


Why am I not surprised....on a number of levels.

And ...
he’s a paranoid, self-obsessed, delusional jerk.

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>No, communism would do that for virtually everyone, not just those in the military.

As the big man said "we've already established what you are; now we are haggling about the price."

But it will be interesting to see you defend your entitlement program to provide socialized medicine to people while attacking other entitlement programs that provide socialized medicine to people.

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>No, communism would do that for virtually everyone, not just those in the military.

As the big man said "we've already established what you are; now we are haggling about the price."

But it will be interesting to see you defend your entitlement program to provide socialized medicine to people while attacking other entitlement programs that provide socialized medicine to people.

That makes two people in this thread who can't or won't tell the difference between those who sign their life over to their country and those who suck the public tit.
I thought you were more intelligent than that, Bill.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
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>That makes two people in this thread who can't or won't tell the
>difference between those who sign their life over to their country and those
>who suck the public tit.

Like I said - we've already established that you support your favorite socialist entitlement programs. I will readily agree that the people supported by your socialist entitlement programs are indeed entitled to the benefits they get under that program.

So now the argument has gone from "should there be socialist entitlement programs?" to more specific questions on how they are run, who they should benefit, how they are paid for etc. Which is certainly a valid discussion to have.

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>That makes two people in this thread who can't or won't tell the
>difference between those who sign their life over to their country and those
>who suck the public tit.

Like I said - we've already established that you support your favorite socialist entitlement programs. I will readily agree that the people supported by your socialist entitlement programs are indeed entitled to the benefits they get under that program.

So now the argument has gone from "should there be socialist entitlement programs?" to more specific questions on how they are run, who they should benefit, how they are paid for etc. Which is certainly a valid discussion to have.

Let me make this simple for you.
If you join the military and agree to put yourself in harms way whenever they want you to, subject yourself to their rules, regulations and laws, and agree to do these things for the life of the contract with extremely limited ways of getting out of your contract...then you can enjoy the health care they provide.
How does that compare with the life of an average American? It doesn't.
Somehow people have gotten the idea that they are somehow entitled to basic human necessities. Guess what...they aren't. That is an idea pushed and pushed by bleeding heart liberals until people accept it as fact. But it's just bullshit. The world doesn't owe you or me a damn thing. Zero. Zilch. Nothing.
This country is turning into a bunch of fucking pussies who can't take care of themselves.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.