popsjumper 2 #726 March 9, 2011 QuoteWhich includes not paying for someone else's insurance. Glad to see you finally realize it. Bullshit. I gave you a job including insurance benefits that includes you paying for others who can't. What you do with it is up to you.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #727 March 9, 2011 QuoteEfficacy = #1 ranking. How do we get better than #1 in ranking what hospitals and doctors do? Are you implying that "efficacy" as related to hospitals and doctors is a function of health care systems here in the U.S.? It is indeed not. It is a function of medical research and development. "In a health care context, efficacy indicates the capacity for beneficial change (or therapeutic effect) of a given intervention (e.g. a medicine, medical device, surgical procedure, or a public health intervention)."My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #728 March 9, 2011 Quote Quote Efficacy = #1 ranking. How do we get better than #1 in ranking what hospitals and doctors do? Are you implying that "efficacy" as related to hospitals and doctors is a function of health care systems here in the U.S.? It is indeed not. It is a function of medical research and development. "In a health care context, efficacy indicates the capacity for beneficial change (or therapeutic effect) of a given intervention (e.g. a medicine, medical device, surgical procedure, or a public health intervention)." Wow. You just made his point big time and showed just how little you understand your own quote. That's funny! HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #729 March 9, 2011 QuoteOk, so you are going by a secondary definition. So so are saying that I am contradicting myself for accepting a socialist health care system for our volunteer soldiers as part of their compensation for services while decrying tk's attempts to force a similar system on the rest of us? A key concept you keep missing is forced vs voluntary. what the hell is a secondary definition? Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? Yes, military service is voluntary. I am FORCED to pay for it and their health care through taxes, and yes you are contradicting yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #730 March 9, 2011 Quote Lifestyle issues, not medical care. right, health care has nothing to do with life expectancy.... Quote Teen pregnancy and drug pregnancies, not medical care. right again, other countries don' have teen pregnancies or drug dependancies.... Quote Amazing what you can hide when you take it out BEFORE they see the paycheck. Let's call it "lower out of pocket costs to be truthful. yes it is amazing what we can do with taxes....roads, bridges, education. my 'out of pocket' expenses are pretty low for that as well. Quote Efficacy = #1 ranking. How do we get better than #1 in ranking what hospitals and doctors do? By finding a way for everyone to have it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #731 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhich includes not paying for someone else's insurance. Glad to see you finally realize it. Bullshit. I gave you a job including insurance benefits that includes you paying for others who can't. What you do with it is up to you. Allow me to refresh your memory: QuoteQuoteThen just like the guy in the military their EMPLOYER should provide HC. Bullshit. I gave you a job. I pay you for your services. What you do with the money is up to you. This implies that you did NOT, in fact, provide insurance and expect the employee to purchase it themselves. DO try to keep your arguments straight.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #732 March 10, 2011 Quote Quote Lifestyle issues, not medical care. right, health care has nothing to do with life expectancy.... Only toward the end of life. Quote Quote Teen pregnancy and drug pregnancies, not medical care. right again, other countries don' have teen pregnancies or drug dependancies.... link Quote Teenage birth rates in the United States are high, exceeding those in most developed countries (3). •Teen mothers are more likely than mothers over age 20 to give birth prematurely (before 37 completed weeks of pregnancy). Between 2003 and 2005, preterm birth rates averaged 14.5 percent for women under age 20 compared to 11.9 percent for women ages 20 to 29 (5). Babies born prematurely face an increased risk of newborn health problems, long-term disabilities and even death. Quote Quote Amazing what you can hide when you take it out BEFORE they see the paycheck. Let's call it "lower out of pocket costs to be truthful. yes it is amazing what we can do with taxes....roads, bridges, education. my 'out of pocket' expenses are pretty low for that as well. Guess that's why Sebelius is now talking about making CLASS act coverage only available to those who are working. Quote Quote Efficacy = #1 ranking. How do we get better than #1 in ranking what hospitals and doctors do? By finding a way for everyone to have it. Non-sequitur.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #733 March 10, 2011 QuoteBradley Manning has not been charged with, nor convicted of treason - QuoteManning was charged on July 5, 2010, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) with violations of UCMJ Articles 92 and 134 for "transferring classified data onto his personal computer and adding unauthorized software to a classified computer system in connection with the leaking of a video of a helicopter attack in Iraq in 2007," and "communicating, transmitting and delivering national defense information to an unauthorized source and disclosing classified information concerning the national defense with reason to believe that the information could cause injury to the United States."[2] He was also one of those named in the Twitter subpoena later in December.[17] The maximum jail sentence he faces is 52 years.[3] does not sound like treason to me, but thanks for playing judge jury and executioner for his case..... JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT. WikiLeaks Suspect Charged With Aiding Enemy March 03, 2011 Associated Press An Army private suspected of leaking hundreds of thousands of sensitive and classified documents to the WikiLeaks anti-secrecy group was charged with aiding the enemy, a crime that can bring the death penalty or life in prison. http://www.military.com/news/article/wikileaks-suspect-charged-with-aiding-enemy.html?ESRC=army-a.nlLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #734 March 13, 2011 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/03/13/2011-03-13_state_dept_spokesman_pj_crowley_out_after_controversial_comments_on_bradley_mann.html"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #735 March 15, 2011 hey, as long as he gets his day in court. Wonder what he will be like in court after a year or so of solitary confinement, removal of (many of) his rights and then torture on top of that? But at least he has an attorney. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #736 March 15, 2011 Quoteremoval of (many of) his rights That happens when you're in prison. Quoteand then torture on top of that Cite? Suicide watch and harsh words from the guards aren't torture, sorry.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #737 March 15, 2011 Quote Quote removal of (many of) his rights That happens when you're in prison. Quote and then torture on top of that Cite? Suicide watch and harsh words from the guards aren't torture, sorry. He has no internet. Hell, they won't even give him a PS3! The horror! What is this country coming to? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #738 March 15, 2011 QuoteCite? Suicide watch and harsh words from the guards aren't torture, sorry. torture? As in bamboo shoots under your fingernails? no, not at all. Many reports have come out from his treatment inside and his deteriorating mental and physical health. Mental abuse is actually torture. You may not think so, but that does not change the fact that it is. While in custody, ANY prisoner at ANY level of government becomes the ward of that 'state' and the 'state' has the responsibility to take care (albeit it limited) of that person. They certainly do not have the right to 'abuse' that prisoner is any way. His confinement in no way fits the crime. People in the military already convicted of murder get better treatment. He is innocent until proven guilty, even in the military. BTW, I am not 'supporting' Bradley Manning per se. I have no idea what he did or did not do. I hope he gets a fair trial, but I expect that he will be relinquished to the status of a Gitmo prisoner and held in limbo for years without trial or hearing while the military and the federal government simply come up with excuses as to why they cannot proceed. I would expect if the case was so 'solid' against him, he would already be in trial and done. But whatever. The thought that government can arbitrarily detain people indefinitely scares me. Especially when I see the 'right wing' support this behavior by our government, and at the same time, stand on a Bible and wave the American flag, screaming Constitutional babble..... Freedom my ass. Assange..... now there's a guy who is my hero!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #739 March 15, 2011 Quote Wow. You just made his point big time and showed just how little you understand your own quote. That's funny! You're right...funny. It's funny how you can get that "whoooshing" sound blow by you and never hear it. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #740 March 15, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Which includes not paying for someone else's insurance. Glad to see you finally realize it. Bullshit. I gave you a job including insurance benefits that includes you paying for others who can't. What you do with it is up to you. Allow me to refresh your memory: Quote Quote Then just like the guy in the military their EMPLOYER should provide HC. Bullshit. I gave you a job. I pay you for your services. What you do with the money is up to you. You missed it Mike. Not arguments....simple food for thought from both sides of the fence. There's always more than one way to get to any POV. I figured BG would fall for that...I never considered that it would be you. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #741 March 15, 2011 QuoteSuicide watch... Depends on what you deem acceptable to fall under the "suicide watch" umbrella doesn't it? Hell, I could call it suicide watch and chain him to a tree in the woods in the northern winter....but that's OK because it's only "suicide watch", eh?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #742 March 15, 2011 Quote But whatever. The thought that government can arbitrarily detain people indefinitely scares me. It's sad that the naysayers refuse to understand that. It should scare them, too. But, there you go. The more naysayers, the closer we, as a country, get to a total police state. They don't realize that they are contributing to that in a major way. On the other hand, maybe they DO realize it and are pushing for it. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #743 March 15, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Which includes not paying for someone else's insurance. Glad to see you finally realize it. Bullshit. I gave you a job including insurance benefits that includes you paying for others who can't. What you do with it is up to you. Allow me to refresh your memory: Quote Quote Then just like the guy in the military their EMPLOYER should provide HC. Bullshit. I gave you a job. I pay you for your services. What you do with the money is up to you. You missed it Mike. Not arguments....simple food for thought from both sides of the fence. There's always more than one way to get to any POV. I figured BG would fall for that...I never considered that it would be you. Maybe you can explain how replying "bullshit" to 'the employer should provide HC' actually means "yeah, I'll give you insurance".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #744 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteSuicide watch... Depends on what you deem acceptable to fall under the "suicide watch" umbrella doesn't it? Hell, I could call it suicide watch and chain him to a tree in the woods in the northern winter....but that's OK because it's only "suicide watch", eh? Don't recall making that claim, no - maybe you can provide details of the incredible suffering he's evidently undergoing.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #745 March 15, 2011 Wiki Tweets account information granted to the gub'ment...but not the contents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #746 March 16, 2011 QuoteMaybe you can explain how replying "bullshit" to 'the employer should provide HC' actually means "yeah, I'll give you insurance". I have no idea. I didn't say that. YOU said that so I'll leave the explanation to you. How did you get that from what I wrote? I was the employer saying BS to the employee....in both cases Read it one more time, eh?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #747 March 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteSuicide watch... Depends on what you deem acceptable to fall under the "suicide watch" umbrella doesn't it? Hell, I could call it suicide watch and chain him to a tree in the woods in the northern winter....but that's OK because it's only "suicide watch", eh? Don't recall making that claim, no - maybe you can provide details of the incredible suffering he's evidently undergoing. What claim? How did you read into my statement as saying that you claimed anything? Provide details? Are you saying that you are arguing against something of which you have no clue? Incredibly, the use of sensationalistic terms gets awfully tiring when used to support an argument. It not only doesn't support, it severely distracts from the point. In other words, it makes the writer appear lacking in knowledge thus having to resort to emotionalism. OTOH, headline writers are very good at guiding public opinion by the use of sensationalism. Don't you agree?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #748 March 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteMaybe you can explain how replying "bullshit" to 'the employer should provide HC' actually means "yeah, I'll give you insurance". I have no idea. I didn't say that. YOU said that so I'll leave the explanation to you. How did you get that from what I wrote? Post 713, your reply to DaVinci. DV: Then just like the guy in the military their EMPLOYER should provide HC. pops: Bullshit. I gave you a job. I pay you for your services. What you do with the money is up to you. pops, post 726: Bullshit. I gave you a job including insurance benefits that includes you paying for others who can't. What you do with it is up to you. So - how does saying "bullshit" to "the employer should provide healthcare" in post 713 become "I provided insurance" in post 726? QuoteI was the employer saying BS to the employee....in both cases Read it one more time, eh? I did. Your argument is inconsistent.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #749 March 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSuicide watch... Depends on what you deem acceptable to fall under the "suicide watch" umbrella doesn't it? Hell, I could call it suicide watch and chain him to a tree in the woods in the northern winter....but that's OK because it's only "suicide watch", eh? Don't recall making that claim, no - maybe you can provide details of the incredible suffering he's evidently undergoing. What claim? How did you read into my statement as saying that you claimed anything? Provide details? Are you saying that you are arguing against something of which you have no clue? No, I'm saying that you evidently think that he's being mistreated by being under a suicide watch - I'm asking for evidence of that. QuoteIncredibly, the use of sensationalistic terms gets awfully tiring when used to support an argument. It not only doesn't support, it severely distracts from the point. In other words, it makes the writer appear lacking in knowledge thus having to resort to emotionalism. Like someone being 'chained to a tree in the woods in the northern winter', perhaps? QuoteOTOH, headline writers are very good at guiding public opinion by the use of sensationalism. Don't you agree? Yup - that's why I'm asking for evidence of the 'torture' that tk mentions - or the chaining to trees that you mention.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #750 March 16, 2011 Quote QuoteIncredibly, the use of sensationalistic terms gets awfully tiring when used to support an argument. It not only doesn't support, it severely distracts from the point. In other words, it makes the writer appear lacking in knowledge thus having to resort to emotionalism. Like someone being 'chained to a tree in the woods in the northern winter', perhaps? EXACTLY like that, yes! We're catching on now! WooooHooo! QuoteNo, I'm saying that you evidently think that he's being mistreated by being under a suicide watch - I'm asking for evidence of that. Your assumption is incorrect. Re-read the post...again. (Hint: This time take notice of the "it depends...") You sure take liberties with your mind reading, don't you? When I want you to know what I think, I'll TELL you what I think so there\ will be no need to think what you may think I think.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
