Wikileaks nomination for Nobel....

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Assange provides a centralized place for other people to publish leaked documents. He's an enabler, but he's really not the criminal. There are no laws (those laws would be impossible -- it's way too easy to set up an anonymous website and publish whatever you want to -- just look at all of the jihadist and neo-nazi websites out there).

Why is he in a class with Bin Laden?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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It is called espionage and people have been executed for it. Assange knew the documents were classified and that they were illegally obtained. At the very least he knowingly recieved stolen property, a crime in itself.
Why is he in a class with Bin Laden? Both are doing what they can to damage the US. The only difference is that Bin Laden's method is more visible and bloodier...for now. Only time will tell how much, if any, damage results from Assange being, as you said, an "enabler".

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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It is called espionage and people have been executed for it. Assange knew the documents were classified and that they were illegally obtained. At the very least he knowingly recieved stolen property, a crime in itself.
Why is he in a class with Bin Laden? Both are doing what they can to damage the US. The only difference is that Bin Laden's method is more visible and bloodier...for now. Only time will tell how much, if any, damage results from Assange being, as you said, an "enabler".

so...Daniel Ellsberg got off easy, then, right?

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It is called espionage and people have been executed for it. Assange knew the documents were classified and that they were illegally obtained. At the very least he knowingly recieved stolen property, a crime in itself.
Why is he in a class with Bin Laden? Both are doing what they can to damage the US. The only difference is that Bin Laden's method is more visible and bloodier...for now. Only time will tell how much, if any, damage results from Assange being, as you said, an "enabler".

so...Daniel Ellsberg got off easy, then, right?

Hard to say what would have happened had the government not FUBAR'ed the case.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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so...Daniel Ellsberg got off easy, then, right?

Hard to say what would have happened had the government not FUBAR'ed the case.

that wasn't the question.

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You'd do well to direct some of the irrational anger towards those who are wheeling and dealing under the table instead of whining about the messenger that exposed it.

Treat the cause, not the symptoms.

You want to do stupid shit and get pissed that somebody called you out?


No?
Then why are you turning blue in the face trying to defend the g'ment entities doing the stupid shit?

If your boys operated honestly and truthfully, there would be no need for Wikileaks.

If you used your brain instead of your emotions....but, alas, I realize that you just don't get it and never will.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Spina bifida occulta. Almost got by without any symptoms but not quite. I have, for lack of a better term, a "lazy step" with my left leg. Not a limp or shuffle, just weak. It puts uneven stress on my lower back and hips and cause problems in those areas. I used to jog and bike to try to keep some balance in muscle tone, and it helped for a while until x-rays started to show deteriation of my right hip socket. Doctors said it was from using the right leg to do most of the work. I'll turn 50 this year and am looking at a hip replacement before 55. Since you know somebody with SB then you know i have gotten off easy. A young lady i met in the hoisptial is being cut up piece by piece due to poor circulation. First a toe on one foot, then the other. Then one foot...then the other. Just last year they took a leg at the knee.

Wow. I humbly take back anything I said. I sincerely apologize. We are both, somewhat in the same boat. Only different illnesses. I really do hope that all turns out well for you.

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Contrary to what you may think I don't hate people who smoke pot. I really don't hate anybody. Well, ok, Assange and Bin Laden. I just see it as a waste of money and time just like excessive drinking. The world is too wonderful and beautiful of a place to miss one second of because of being stoned.

I am no fan of Assange. I think he is a little power hungry weasel. Yet, I do not see him as the villain in all of this. I would hope that something good will come from it and that our elected official will be far more careful at what they do.

As for pot? I haven't smoked in more than a year. For near fifteen years pot helped me manage the meds I am suppose to take. It kept my appetite up keeping my weight around 180lbs. In the last year I've stopped smoking and it did have an adverse affect as the meds were near intolerable and weight loss has me at 130lbs. Not very good.
I see smoking a joint as the same as drinking a few beers (I don't drink), only better. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that you may be equating pot with drugs such as heroin.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Assange provides a centralized place for other people to publish leaked documents. He's an enabler, but he's really not the criminal. There are no laws (those laws would be impossible -- it's way too easy to set up an anonymous website and publish whatever you want to -- just look at all of the jihadist and neo-nazi websites out there).

Why is he in a class with Bin Laden?

Wendy P.

Bin Laden?
He just helps him

This idiot is just a self centered hero wanna be who is using other peoples crimes to make himself look like some sort he man

He found a way to make himself look to be more than he is

I feel sorry for those who feel he is something special, cause he is not

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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. . . operated honestly and truthfully, there would be no need for Wikileaks.

LOL

All this means is that security is now going to be SO much tighter and more restrictive. This only changed things for the worse. You think that the government is secretive now?

I also se a disinformation bracket forming so that a sting can be run and not only embarrass the spies and espianoge players, but catch them firmly in the act.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Why is he in a class with Bin Laden?

Because it could be argued that Bil Laden not only uses some of the information to his advantage, but depends on some of it to keep whatever he is doing more hidden.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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When I was in there were enough simplistic trip wires in place in order to remove your access were you not trustworthy and responsible enough to earn the trust of protecting classified information.


Leave the safe open? Ding.
Leave the safe open AGAIN? written up
Leave the safe open STILL??? Gone, go paint the ship.

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This thread would not exist if Assange published embarrassing secrets of, let's say Russia... or maybe even France, or any other country. The vast majority on here would even applaud him.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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This thread would not exist if Assange published embarrassing secrets of, let's say Russia... or maybe even France, or any other country. The vast majority on here would even applaud him.

Um . . . Russia is pretty pissed -

and who needs the secreat retreat plans from France?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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You'd do well to direct some of the irrational anger towards those who are wheeling and dealing under the table instead of whining about the messenger that exposed it.

Treat the cause, not the symptoms.

You want to do stupid shit and get pissed that somebody called you out?


No?
Then why are you turning blue in the face trying to defend the g'ment entities doing the stupid shit?

If your boys operated honestly and truthfully, there would be no need for Wikileaks.

If you used your brain instead of your emotions....but, alas, I realize that you just don't get it and never will.

Holy fuck, here i go having to repeat myself because somebody was TOO FUCKING LAZY to read the entire thread.
I have already stated in this thread...at least TWICE...that i have nothing against illegal activities being brought out and made public. NOTHING!
IS THAT EASY ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?
Holy fucking Jesus shit some people can't fucking pay attention.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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When I was in there were enough simplistic trip wires in place in order to remove your access were you not trustworthy and responsible enough to earn the trust of protecting classified information.


Leave the safe open? Ding.
Leave the safe open AGAIN? written up
Leave the safe open STILL??? Gone, go paint the ship.

So... how did that paint job come out?
Haze gray, underway!
I've thought about painting one of my bikes haze gray.
I had a top secret clearance as a Hull Technician as I had to be able to enter any and all compartments on ship. One of the best places to hang out was in the crypto-room. No one ever looked for you in there as only a few were allowed to go in there. That and down in the CHT (collection, holding, and transfer of human waste. The CHT was extremely clean) where nobody but an HT would dare to go.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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so...Daniel Ellsberg got off easy, then, right?

Hard to say what would have happened had the government not FUBAR'ed the case.

that wasn't the question.

Yes, he got off easy.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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And i humbly apologize for anything i said without understaning your condition.
Yeah, kinda the same boat. But with my condition it is just a matter of parts replacement. Your is different.
I smoked pot a couple times in high school just to see what it was like. Like being drunk only without the nausea or the hangover. Funny thing was, my friends said i walked normal while high. Go figure that one out.
Can't say i like riding choppers. Never sat one that handled worth a damn, rode even worse. I've had two HD Road King cop bikes. Great bargains and that 103 makes loads of torque.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Um . . . Russia is pretty pissed

and they should be. Would any American be up in arms if Assange leaked their info?

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and who needs the secreat retreat plans from France?

I threw that one in there for comedic relief. This thread desperately needs it.
Anyone else feel a need to bash the French? Go right ahead. They have to be good for something other than Grey Poupon and that wonderful marvel known as Le Car. One great, the other not so much. One out of two is not bad, if you're French.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Ahhhh...French bashing!
I have a friend who lives in Monaco. He was explaining how Monaco has an agreement with France for military services. I asked him, "So, if Monaco is ever attacked, the French will surrender for you?" He just laughed and said, 'Exactly!".

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[normiss 806]

You could always trust the crypto room.
Nothing in. Nothing out.


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I never chipped paint.

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Funny thing was, my friends said i walked normal while high. Go figure that one out.

Actually, that is the power in marijuana. It is a very real medication. The article at the bottom of this post is about a friend of mine whom I have worked with in the past to push the medical marijuana effort in Missouri. She suffers from cerebral palsy and an extremely bad speech impediment. She can barely move about due to CP, yet after she smokes a little bit of pot, she gets up and she is moving as if she has no illness. That and her speech improves to nearly no stutter. I also have a speech impediment. Sometimes it is so hard to get a word out of my mouth that I seldom talk to people. I try to keep conversation to a minimum. I believe people take my silence the wrong way. However, once I smoke a little bit of pot the stutter tends to go away.
There are so many people who can testify to the power of pot.
I also have extremely bad arthritis in my shoulder, neck, back and hip. Some days are worst than others. One doctor gave me 200 oxy-contin for the pain. I had no idea what they were at the time. After one week on those things, that is all I wanted. Damn do those things make a body feel great. Problem was I felt the addiction coming on. I ended up dumping the bottle out into the dumpster. About 180 of them. I went back to smoking pot for pain management.

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Jacqueline Patterson has been an ASA activist in Missouri for several years. In 2002, Jacqueline organized a Kansas City action as part of ASA's "Evict the DEA" national day of action. Since then, she has been active with both federal and state campaigns, working to protect medical marijuana patients like herself.

In October 2005, Jacqueline organized another local ASA action - "Rally to Reschedule Marijuana" - at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) regional office in Kansas City. Several patients and advocates rallied and called for the rescheduling of marijuana. A representative of the HHS office met with activists in front of the building, including George McMahon, one of the seven patients who receive medical marijuana legally from the federal government.

Jacqueline is currently working with the Missouri state legislature to pass a bill that would protect medical marijuana patients. She has testified at two hearings this year for Missouri's medical marijuana bill, House Bill 1831. Most recently, she testified before the Health Committee, sharing her personal story of growing up with cerebral palsy and how medical marijuana has helped her.

Jacqueline's efforts have earned her extensive media coverage. Kansas City's Pitch Weekly recently published a feature story on Jacqueline's life and activist efforts. She will also be highlighted in a television documentary on medical marijuana.

In addition to her activist work, Jacqueline is busy raising four children. She is currently working on attaining her criminology degree and revamping her campaign to educate the public and legislators about the efficacy of medical marijuana.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Right, I don't disagree with you at all on this point. The government did not do a very good job keeping these things secret. Bradley Manning and others seem to have broken the law and their duties. Not sure what that has to do with Assange. he is a publisher.

The post you were replying to was not addressing Assange's actions. I stepped in to temper the arguments that were getting a little overboard like claiming that the government had no right to keep information secret to begin with or that all the information was purely embarrassing and not actually dangerous.

I usually try to stay out of loud chair-throwing arguments like this thread and after some of the responses I've gotten here I really start to appreciate why Marg stopped posting here altogether.

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Holy fuck, here i go having to repeat myself because somebody was TOO FUCKING LAZY to read the entire thread.
I have already stated in this thread...at least TWICE...that i have nothing against illegal activities being brought out and made public. NOTHING!

You're so confused you don't know what you said and now you backtrack on yourself.


...and have anger management problems on top of it.


A sampling of your previous...

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Post 2: You can't be fucking serious.
The only thing that douchebag deserves is a mallet to the head.

Post 25: Standing up for the Constitution and standing up for someone who leaks confidential information WITHOUT REGARD TO CONTENT, INTENT, OR CONSEQUENCE are not the same thing.
That idiot son of a bitch can kiss my ass and any citizen of the United States of America who supports him is a FUCKING TRAITOR.

Post 30: What good does exposing the lies after the fact do? Were you so naive to think everything the government tells you is the truth?

So...whose side do you stand with? Your country? Or the POS who leaked thousands of your countries confidential comminucations with other countries?

Post 43: Better yet, show me where the Constitution recognizes a right to divulge state secrets.
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You have no credibility.

Please refrain from wasting bandwidth.
Or, at least go punch a wall or something and get over the mindless anger before you post again.
Take a deep breath...it's very calming.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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LOL

All this means is that security is now going to be SO much tighter and more restrictive. This only changed things for the worse. You think that the government is secretive now?

How right you are. The statement was a pipe dream, yes.
Same thing as bozos who get caught and imprisoned. Does imprisonment change their ways. Rarely.
Sadly, IMHO, we can expect no better from our g'ment.

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I also se a disinformation bracket forming so that a sting can be run and not only embarrass the spies and espianoge players, but catch them firmly in the act.

It wouldn't be unreasonable to think that these things aren't already happening and have been since spying became an art ages ago. I don't think Wikileaks is going to enhance or hinder the sting processes currently in place.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Holy fuck, here i go having to repeat myself because somebody was TOO FUCKING LAZY to read the entire thread.
I have already stated in this thread...at least TWICE...that i have nothing against illegal activities being brought out and made public. NOTHING!
IS THAT EASY ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?
Holy fucking Jesus shit some people can't fucking pay attention.

hey before you go and call other people out for making you repeat shit, you have pretty much dismissed much of what I said, and I had to repeat it for you to make my point "especially for you"

You need to take a chill-pill, this is a discussion, no one's life is on the line here.....