Wikileaks nomination for Nobel....

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The US government had to call in many agents because their identities were compromised. Several have not been able to be contacted.

Keep the post SWAGS coming. They are hilarious.
Hilarious because you have no freakin' clue what you're ranting about and never have.
Keep 'em coming!

Of course it's a guess. That's the point. But I wouldn't expect you to figure out that my assertion is every bit as credible as your assertion that Assange is some kind of hero.
Quite frankly, I don't think you have a clue as to what anybody is talking about, especially yourself.

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Sure thing. Just as soon as you document your claims that his actions have done any good.

They help to expose government corruption and back-room dealing in some cases. In the vast majority of cases, the leaks proved or disproved absolutely NOTHING.

Hence these is CERTAINLY no case for 'treason' or other crimes.

Hey you made the claim of damage and crimes against the country. I am simply asking you to show it. If you cannot, then I win. that simple.

Now YOU made a direct claim that the US had to recall agents because their identities were compromised. Your turn, show us where that happened. This has been my case all along. Show me ONE case where something bad happened.


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Go Ahead

We're waiting.....

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Sure thing. Just as soon as you document your claims that his actions have done any good.

They help to expose government corruption and back-room dealing in some cases. In the vast majority of cases, the leaks proved or disproved absolutely NOTHING.

Hence these is CERTAINLY no case for 'treason' or other crimes.

Hey you made the claim of damage and crimes against the country. I am simply asking you to show it. If you cannot, then I win. that simple.

Now YOU made a direct claim that the US had to recall agents because their identities were compromised. Your turn, show us where that happened. This has been my case all along. Show me ONE case where something bad happened.


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We're waiting.....

If you had read my reply to another poster you would know my assertion was to show how stupid your claim of this guy being some kind of hero is. No need to document becuse there may or may not be proof. It's moot.
For the one thousandth time....just because you are not aware of damage does not mean there was none. Are you so naive to think everything is now public knowledge just because some asshole published some STOLEN material? Ypou seem to ignore the FACT that this material was STOLEN. But hey, the end, no matter how insignificant, always justifies the means...right?

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
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For the one thousandth time....just because you are not aware of damage does not mean there was none. Are you so naive to think everything is now public knowledge just because some asshole published some STOLEN material? Ypou seem to ignore the FACT that this material was STOLEN. But hey, the end, no matter how insignificant, always justifies the means...right?

and for the 100th time, the country has a constitution that DEMANDS innocence until proven guilty.

You are making claims of guilt without any proof. You have made numerous false claims without a shred of evidence and the type of persecution that you are advocating is something out of the dark ages.

so grow up.

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You have made numerous false claims without a shred of evidence and the type of persecution that you are advocating is something out of the dark ages.

Twaddle - funny how asshat was all about freedom of information, *until* the information about what a lousy lay he was got out.

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so grow up.

Take your own advice.

Mike
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...and the hits just keep on coming!

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No need to document becuse there may or may not be proof. It's moot.

So you ask for documentation....

Oh the irony of it all.

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For the one thousandth time....just because you are not aware of damage does not mean there was none any.

FIFY but you still wont get it.

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Ypou seem to ignore the FACT that this material was STOLEN.

Reading comprehension is a learned skill. You might want to try it someday.

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But hey, the end, no matter how insignificant, always justifies the means...right?

So, secrecy, no matter how significant, always justifies the means, eh?
*whoosh* once again.


, but pitiful.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Twaddle - funny how asshat was all about freedom of information, *until* the information about what a lousy lay he was got out.

Ah, "the kind of philistine pig-ignorance I have come to expect from non-creative garbage"

Name calling, false claims without proof - you guys are all real stand-up folks for the Constitution.

way to go. I would expect nothing less.

Anyway, my claims of freedoms stand up. Your (all of you) claims of wrong-doing STILL TO THIS DAY AND THIS POST, have absolutely no basis.

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Twaddle - funny how asshat was all about freedom of information, *until* the information about what a lousy lay he was got out.

Ah, "the kind of philistine pig-ignorance I have come to expect from non-creative garbage"

Yeah, but we keep hoping you'll come around.

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Name calling, false claims without proof - you guys are all real stand-up folks for the Constitution.

Pobrecito...are we not respecting your 'hero' enough? Tough shit.

As for proof, it was posted before - guess you missed it in that miles-wide blind spot you have.

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way to go. I would expect nothing less.

And from you, we expect nothing more - unfortunately.

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Anyway, my claims of freedoms stand up. Your (all of you) claims of wrong-doing STILL TO THIS DAY AND THIS POST, have absolutely no basis.

Other than that whole bit about knowingly receiving stolen information, you mean?

You get your own opinion, tk... but that doesn't make it fact. Learn how to separate the two.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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You get your own opinion, tk... but that doesn't make it fact. Learn how to separate the two.

You get to do name-calling, but it does not make your case.

Show me ONCE INSTANCE. ANY one instance, anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, that demonstrates damage to ANY American, institution, soldier or otherwise....by the actions of Wikileaks..

go ahead, make my day

I'm still waiting.

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I'm still waiting.

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(CBS) After the release of the State Department cables, Attorney General Eric Holder condemned WikiLeaks for putting national security at risk. "There's a real basis. There is a predicate for us to believe that crimes have been committed here," Holder said at a press conference.

Congratulations, you can stop holding your breath, now.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I beg to differ - that is an opinion, not a statement of fact. It does not even remotely come close to 'evidence'

try again, if you can.

Is that all you really have? Wow.

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I beg to differ - that is an opinion, not a statement of fact.
It does not even remotely come close to 'evidence'

Evidently enough to try for extradition - unlike your OPINION that asshat is a hero.

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Is that all you really have? Wow.

It's more than your "oh, he's my HERO" bullcrap.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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um, where has the US requested an extradition for Assange for 'national security threats?

now you are making it up as you go along - nice try again.

Sorry dude, but you are way better than this.

His extradition hearings have to do with Sweden, NOT the USA. The US has made no such request to face any such charges.

He has no charges against him in the US, just accusations from witch hunters like you, with vague charges, and vague accusations of wrong-doing.

Perhaps you could try to divide the US national security threats from the Swedish allegations - if you are capable of doing that.

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um, where has the US requested an extradition for Assange for 'national security threats?

now you are making it up as you go along - nice try again.

Sorry dude, but you are way better than this.

His extradition hearings have to do with Sweden, NOT the USA. The US has made no such request to face any such charges.

He has no charges against him in the US, just accusations from witch hunters like you, with vague charges, and vague accusations of wrong-doing.

Perhaps you could try to divide the US national security threats from the Swedish allegations - if you are capable of doing that.

And maybe you could look up the definition of espionage - if you are capable of doing that.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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ahh answer the question with a question - great way to evade the issues. Surely that will stand up in court.

Maybe the US Govt could call you as an expert witness when they bring him to trial - "the definition of espionage' surely will put the nail in the coffin....

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And I agree with that - but when people get killed, he shares in the responsibility for that. And therefore there is accountability, if not at a criminal level, there surely would be at a civil level.

A drunk driver hits a school bus full of kids on a day trip to care for the elderly.... Do you blame the guy that delivered the beer to the bar three weeks ago?

This pastor acted like a moron, he burned some books (like pastors have done before). Some fanatic used that to start a riot.

I place the blame on:
1. The people who killed the guards.
2. The guy that incited them to kill the guards.

I do not blame a guy for burning an object 3 weeks before half a world away.

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When some US soldier gets ambushed and killed due to a Wikileaks report, it surely will make the news

Maybe, maybe not... The Govt keeps secrets.

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All this in a country that claims innocence until proven guilty and freedom. bullshit.

Assange and Manning are not being held in the US.

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... and Manning are not being held in the US.

Quantico, Virginia is not in the US?

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ahh answer the question with a question - great way to evade the issues. Surely that will stand up in court.

I didn't ask a question - I made a statement. I *thought* you might pick up the clue, but obviously not.

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Maybe the US Govt could call you as an expert witness when they bring him to trial - "the definition of espionage' surely will put the nail in the coffin....

And the defense can call you as a character witness...you can cry on the stand about how unfair it is that he's being judged on information that has been released about him without his authorization... now *where* have we heard about something like that happening before, I wonder?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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... and Manning are not being held in the US.

Quantico, Virginia is not in the US?

Now don't you get muddying the waters with them there fact things ... they're not needed or wanted here.

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You are still NOT making a case. There is no case. He is innocent until proven guilty. period. It's in the constitution. And its in the facts as they stand today.

Provide me with something that resembles a fact or evidence and I will change my tune.

You and B-D have done nothing but evade the questions, answer questions with questions, call out names, and so on.

You want to have an intelligent debate? It requires intelligence. If you do not have a shred of evidence - then too bad.

I am not happy that OJ got away with murder. But the fact is that he did. Within the system that we have, he was found NOT GUILTY. that is a bug in the system yes, but it does not justify going after the next guy (Assange) with rumors and hoping to make him look bad with trumped up charges.

Sorry that you do not like the way the system works that you so staunchly uphold. If you do not like it, I suggest you get elected and change it.

Until then, and until you prove to me otherwise, (yes the burden of proof is actually on the accuser), he stands as a representative of political freedom, freedom of speech and an ombudsman who holds government accountable for their actions. Sounds good to me.

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Quantico, Virginia is not in the US?

Ah, my mistake, I forgot where he was being held.

But Assange is not in the US.

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Provide me with something that resembles a fact or evidence and I will change my tune.

No, you won't. You've already proven that. You want the full case laid out, everything but the verdict before you'll even consider it.

Guess what - the legal system doesn't work that way.

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You want to have an intelligent debate? It requires intelligence.

"He's a HERO!!!!" doesn't count as such, tk.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I am not happy that OJ got away with murder. But the fact is that he did. Within the system that we have, he was found NOT GUILTY.

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He is innocent until proven guilty. period.

Does not jive here.

OJ was found INNOCENT in the criminal trial. Therefore he must be innocent according to you, but you have claimed he 'got away with murder'

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You want to have an intelligent debate? It requires intelligence. If you do not have a shred of evidence - then too bad

To have intelligent debate requires evidence... But it also requires having a standard. You have shown a double standard in the OJ case.

Is it not possible that if you have shown a double standard once that you might again?

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OJ was found INNOCENT in the criminal trial. Therefore he must be innocent according to you, but you have claimed he 'got away with murder'

he was found 'not guilty' I beg to differ.

Innocence and guilt are two different things in the legal system. Perhaps lawrocket could provide a better example of that, but I know that the difference exists.

Let me clarify..... I BELIEVE that OJ got away with murder. He was found not guilty. If he was found 'innocent' then he could not likely have been found 'liable' in the civil case that followed. That might be a vague example, but I know that there is more to the definitions than that.

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No, you won't. You've already proven that. You want the full case laid out, everything but the verdict before you'll even consider it.

I have not anywhere asked for the whole case to be laid out. In fact I have asked multiple times for even a shred of a single example of treason, espionage, or whatever you want to call it....and have not received any yet.

What I did get, multiple times, was something along the lines of "just because you cannot see the damage does not mean there isn't any..."

and that is witch hunt talk and not worthy of any courtroom. It is here-say and meets no legal definitions of evidence whatsoever.

So let me clarify for you one more time (again)"

Show me some evidence, not the whole case

and try not to answer the question with a question.....