Another Fine Example of the "Religion of Peace"

[Meso 38]

I sure am, and note that I don't call any certain group of people worse than the next.

My ancestors were idiots... Greedy, selfish, likely Christian missionary type idiots. Coming to this country to make deals of aide, but only to those who accept Christianity.

I'm definitely not hypocritical in what I have said. I don't claim one culture more humane or 'moral' than another. One may, at any given stage be less barbaric than another but it was once in that place too.

[Gravitymaster 0]

I'd have to say the atrocities your ancestors subjected native Africans to was much broader than just Christian Missionaries. I don't think the slave trade that went on had anything to do with converting the natives to Christianity.

[Meso 38]

I didn't deny it wasn't, and the gist of my statement would make it clear that my feelings would remain the same.

Though personally my ancestors weren't involved with the slave trade, I come from Portuguese and German heritage and my ancestors settled after the slave trade.

Anyway, enough about my genealogy and back to the topic at hand...

I see it pointless and irrational to use National Socialist type thinking. "Don't let them near our shores they will ruin it with their primitive cultures!", if anything I see it as the opposite, invite them in and show them what a culture and society which has evolved past the sometimes present primitive barbarism is like...

[wmw999 2,534]

I don't fucking believe this thread.

It's full of people who want desperately to believe something, and spend their time looking for evidence that it's true. Just like half of what goes on in SC.

You can't prove something like whether Islam is a religion of peace or violence. You can only disprove it, and say what it isn't.

This isn't a binary choice (peace or violence). Really.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[futuredivot 0]

Ignoring the point and attacking the poster-
Time for a new act, dude

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[wmw999 2,534]

The OPs point is the Islam is bad. He uses examples to prove his point.

It's an unprovable point. There are millions of happy, peaceful Muslims in the world. There are also a number of (probably thousands given Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan) violent religious extremists who wish harm.

So which is the truth?

No-one countering is trying to say that Islam is perfect (no, not even Darius).

But if you're going to try to categorize something as bad, at least try to make it something that is more than, say, 10% bad. Like clowns -- now they're scary.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[davjohns 1]

Just an observation. I've lived with Muslims for a while. I found them to be very similar to American Christians. Their society is basically based on their belief system, but few actually act constrained by those beliefs. In private conversations, my Muslim friends didn't see us as much different in that respect.

It is the fringe that gets the attention. Base your view of a group by a few members, and you often get a very stilted view.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

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Just an observation. I've lived with Muslims for a while. I found them to be very similar to American Christians. Their society is basically based on their belief system, but few actually act constrained by those beliefs. In private conversations, my Muslim friends didn't see us as much different in that respect.

It is the fringe that gets the attention. Base your view of a group by a few members, and you often get a very stilted view.

Good post
And it IS the fringe most here post to.

The problem with this fringe is has big numbers in it memebership

And their tactics are less than peaceful

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JohnRich 4]

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And it IS the fringe most here post to.
The problem with this fringe is has big numbers in it memebership
And their tactics are less than peaceful

Yeah, imagine if here in America that some fringe Baptists blew up a bus full of Catholics out for a church picnic. That would be a huge horrible deal, that would bring immediate condemnation and prosecution of any Baptists involved in that kind of action and thinking.

But somehow when it's one group of muslims doing the same thing to another group of muslims, nobody here thinks its worth so much as a second of shocked indignation. And anyone criticizing the violent muslim extremists, is attacked as a bigot...

Go figure.

[rushmc 23]

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And it IS the fringe most here post to.
The problem with this fringe is has big numbers in it memebership
And their tactics are less than peaceful

Yeah, imagine if here in America that some fringe Baptists blew up a bus full of Catholics out for a church picnic. That would be a huge horrible deal, that would bring immediate condemnation and prosecution of any Baptists involved in that kind of action and thinking.

But somehow when it's a group of muslims doing the same thing, nobody here thinks its worth so much as a second of shocked indignation. And anyone criticizing the violent muslim extremists, is attacked as a bigot...

Go figure.

That is what happens when the left can not make, debunk or support a claim or point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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The problem with this fringe is has big numbers in it memebership

Really? How big a number?

[rushmc 23]

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The problem with this fringe is has big numbers in it memebership

Really? How big a number?

you know

all those who were drawn to this because of bush

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

On a serious note

Enough to fight, start and fund wars.

Enough to recruit self exterminating bombers

Enough to effect the politics of many different countries

Enough to hold dictorial postions in some countries

Need I go on?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Enough to fight, start and fund wars.

Wow, the Irish are muslims?

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Enough to effect the politics of many different countries

The US is mostly christian.

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Enough to hold dictorial postions in some countries

You're right, World Law says you have to be Muslim to be a Dictator, or the World Police will come and arrest you.

[rushmc 23]

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Enough to fight, start and fund wars.

Wow, the Irish are muslims?

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Enough to effect the politics of many different countries

The US is mostly christian.

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Enough to hold dictorial postions in some countries

You're right, World Law says you have to be Muslim to be a Dictator, or the World Police will come and arrest you.

I am sorry

I keep forgetting how hard it is for you and other fringe leftist to consentrate and keep on track

Oh well

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[airdvr 210]

The difference lies in 9/11. The extremists are making it very difficult to identify the enemy. They hide amongst the more peaceful muslims and only expose themselves long enough to perform the cowardly acts of terror.

My personal problem is I haven't been able to identify an instance where the extremists were outed by the more peaceful people. If you're truly a muslim then you are the only ones who can clean up your religion by not harboring the extemists. Good luck with that.

Until then I say we keep the weapons warmed up and close by.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[kallend 2,106]

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The difference lies in 9/11. The extremists are making it very difficult to identify the enemy. They hide amongst the more peaceful muslims and only expose themselves long enough to perform the cowardly acts of terror.

My personal problem is I haven't been able to identify an instance where the extremists were outed by the more peaceful people. If you're truly a muslim then you are the only ones who can clean up your religion by not harboring the extemists. Good luck with that.

Until then I say we keep the weapons warmed up and close by.

40 years ago, 25 years ago, and 15 years ago (and all years in between) the EXACT same thing could have been written about the Irish, and their supporters in Boston, NYC, San Francisco.

The only difference is that the IRA didn't target NYC, it targeted London, Birmingham and Belfast.

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[airdvr 210]

Are you advocating that we should not be ready to defend ourselves?

Please don't dent the planet.

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[kallend 2,106]

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Are you advocating that we should not be ready to defend ourselves?

Did you leave your reading glasses at home today?

I'm advocating that we should refrain from bigotry and hypocrisy.

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[rushmc 23]

I'm advocating that we I should refrain from bigotry and hypocrisy.

Yes you should
but you seem unable to help yourself

Especially the hypocrisy part

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[sundevil777 102]

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The difference lies in 9/11. The extremists are making it very difficult to identify the enemy. They hide amongst the more peaceful muslims and only expose themselves long enough to perform the cowardly acts of terror.

My personal problem is I haven't been able to identify an instance where the extremists were outed by the more peaceful people. If you're truly a muslim then you are the only ones who can clean up your religion by not harboring the extemists. Good luck with that.

Until then I say we keep the weapons warmed up and close by.

40 years ago, 25 years ago, and 15 years ago (and all years in between) the EXACT same thing could have been written about the Irish, and their supporters in Boston, NYC, San Francisco.

The only difference is that the IRA didn't target NYC, it targeted London, Birmingham and Belfast.

You are so very wrong. The only difference!

The huge difference is that the goals of the IRA were actually quite reasonable and limited, were they not? When those reasonable and limited demands were met, they were able to live in peace with their former adversary, were they not? Of course it would have been a lot better if they had pursued their goals without violence, but once achieved, it stopped, right?

In contrast, the demands of the Islamofacists are not reasonable. They aren't just seeking self-determination for themselves, they want to impose their way on the world, starting with destroying the state of Israel, no matter how many wars they lose in that quest, they want their way. I say tough shit, lots of national boundaries were changed after WWII, and they were on the wrong side anyway.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[kallend 2,106]

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I'm advocating that we I should refrain from bigotry and hypocrisy.

Yes you should
but you seem unable to help yourself

Especially the hypocrisy part

Most people grow out of the "I am rubber you are glue" comeback somewhere around 3rd grade.

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[Bolas 5]

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You realize there's equally as horrid actions in some African cultures? (dismemberment of children for muti) and Indian cultures... And many others... Why is it constantly one culture's negative aspects that you focus on? Seems like an agenda to me.

As someone said, this isn't religion it's cultural.

Why do the African cultures do it? To appease or honor a diety or dieties most likely...

It's culture based on religion.

Isn't it funny how the further one gets from religious influence the less primitive and barbaric they are? Sure we're still violent but still have a large amount or religious influence and oppression.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[rushmc 23]

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I'm advocating that we I should refrain from bigotry and hypocrisy.

Yes you should
but you seem unable to help yourself

Especially the hypocrisy part

Most people grow out of the "I am rubber you are glue" comeback somewhere around 3rd grade.

I know

I am holding out hope for you even yet

Your bigoted attitude toward anyone you dont agree with smells to high heaven

Maybe if you change your attitude diaper

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,106]

QED

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