RonD1120 62 #26 February 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Ron, I went 12 years with out a drink..... then I turned 13. I haven't heard that one in a long time. Here's a challenge. If you drink regularly but do not consider yourself as having a problem, try going without alcohol for one year. You are saying that regular use equates to addiction. There are sex addicts. There are people who regularly enjoy sex. If you have had sex regularly this month, then you should quit for a year, to prove that you are not a sex addict. Thank you for playing the illogic game. I did not say that at all. Thank you for playing the assumption of contention prior to investigation game.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #27 February 22, 2011 QuoteQuote Being a nurse and working nights and every weekend, I just don't have the chance to drink much. That'll work. I believe in work therapy. Why do you think he needs therapy if he doesn't drink? Is everyone an alcoholic, and just waiting for a drink to help them along the process? I know quite a few "therapists" that believe this. ALL the ones that do are on the program too. Every one of them.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #28 February 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Being a nurse and working nights and every weekend, I just don't have the chance to drink much. That'll work. I believe in work therapy. Why do you think he needs therapy if he doesn't drink? Is everyone an alcoholic, and just waiting for a drink to help them along the process? I know quite a few "therapists" that believe this. ALL the ones that do are on the program too. Every one of them. I don't know where you are going. I offered encouragement and exhortation, that's all. He did admit to a substance abuse problem.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #29 February 22, 2011 QuoteQuote Being a nurse and working nights and every weekend, I just don't have the chance to drink much. That'll work. I believe in work therapy. What is the difference between "work" and "work therapy"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #30 February 22, 2011 Ecclesiastes 31:35-36 "Wine was created from the beginning to make men joyful, and not to make men drunk. Wine drunk with moderation is the joy of soul and the heart." Ecclesiastes 9:7: "Eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #31 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Being a nurse and working nights and every weekend, I just don't have the chance to drink much. That'll work. I believe in work therapy. What is the difference between "work" and "work therapy"? Work therapy is a term I used when relating to clients in treatment programs. It refers to focusing on a job with enough intensity to keep cravings and boredom at bay. The object is to gain clean time. Work is having a job.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #32 February 23, 2011 QuoteEcclesiastes 31:35-36 "Wine was created from the beginning to make men joyful, and not to make men drunk. Wine drunk with moderation is the joy of soul and the heart." Ecclesiastes 9:7: "Eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart." Amen. I wish I could do that.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #33 February 23, 2011 Quote... The object is to gain clean time... I always thought that the object of recovery was to be able to enjoy life without the need for drugs or alcohol. You know, trudging that road of happy destiny. Clean time is one measure, but not the only one, or even the most accurate one."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #34 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Being a nurse and working nights and every weekend, I just don't have the chance to drink much. That'll work. I believe in work therapy. What is the difference between "work" and "work therapy"? Work therapy is a term I used when relating to clients in treatment programs. It refers to focusing on a job with enough intensity to keep cravings and boredom at bay. The object is to gain clean time. Work is having a job. Oh, OK. Then your response to jclalor didn't make much sense. He clearly stated that he didn't have a problem with alcohol, and I got the impression that he wasn't in any kind of treatment program. He did say he had a problem with a different drug at one time, but despite the popular theory, I don't believe that necessarily means that one will ever have a problem with alcohol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #35 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteEcclesiastes 31:35-36 "Wine was created from the beginning to make men joyful, and not to make men drunk. Wine drunk with moderation is the joy of soul and the heart." Ecclesiastes 9:7: "Eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart." Amen. I wish I could do that. Not me, I don't miss it for a second. For Kiddush I stick with Kosher grape juice, as do some Rabbis of my acquaintance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #36 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuote... The object is to gain clean time... I always thought that the object of recovery was to be able to enjoy life without the need for drugs or alcohol. You know, trudging that road of happy destiny. Clean time is one measure, but not the only one, or even the most accurate one. I agree. In my experience the longer I am clean the easier it is to stay clean. The first year is the most difficult. Some rule of thumb benchmarks are 30 days, 90 days, 6 months, 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, 10 years and so on. We just take it one day at a time. Today, with God's help, I choose not to use.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #37 February 23, 2011 Quote I don't believe that necessarily means that one will ever have a problem with alcohol. Just be aware, no one starts out using mood altering substances believing that they will have a problem. The first step to solving a personal problem is recognizing that a problem exists. That step is immensely difficult.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #38 February 23, 2011 i got a challenge for you, why dont you try going a year without proselytising!? or 3 or 5yrs!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #39 February 23, 2011 Need to go outside?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #40 February 23, 2011 you're being repetitive.. and boring. i wish there was an option to blind out posters.“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #41 February 23, 2011 Quoteyou're being repetitive.. and boring. i wish there was an option to blind out posters. I know exactly what you mean. I wish for the same thing. Maybe just not reading what I don't like will work. That would be taking personal responsibility instead of projecting the cause of my negative feelings on someone else.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #42 February 23, 2011 Quote Quote you're being repetitive.. and boring. i wish there was an option to blind out posters. I know exactly what you mean. I wish for the same thing. Maybe just not reading what I don't like will work. That would be taking personal responsibility instead of projecting the cause of my negative feelings on someone else. it's kind of hard ot ignore a full screen of verses copied and pasted. it's a waste of bandwith.. and if not enough, it happens to happen in most every thread. repetitive and boring. just like your "need to go outside" you like to write to me so much.“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #43 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuote I don't believe that necessarily means that one will ever have a problem with alcohol. Just be aware, no one starts out using mood altering substances believing that they will have a problem. The first step to solving a personal problem is recognizing that a problem exists. That step is immensely difficult. I don't entirely agree with you here. Personally, I can't speak for "everyone" and what they know when they start out using mood-altering substances, and I don't believe that you can either. Same with personal problems. Some people might recognize that a problem exists right away; others may take a while. And some people might find a solution right away, while others may not. I have seen a number of people give up illegal drugs and then continue to drink alcohol in moderation, while I have seen others give up one drug only to become addicted to another (including alcohol). And many of the people I know who have been "clean" for years still abuse caffeine and/or nicotine, while some are able to use those drugs in moderation or not at all. People are all different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #44 February 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote I don't believe that necessarily means that one will ever have a problem with alcohol. Just be aware, no one starts out using mood altering substances believing that they will have a problem. The first step to solving a personal problem is recognizing that a problem exists. That step is immensely difficult. I don't entirely agree with you here. Personally, I can't speak for "everyone" and what they know when they start out using mood-altering substances, and I don't believe that you can either. Same with personal problems. Some people might recognize that a problem exists right away; others may take a while. And some people might find a solution right away, while others may not. I have seen a number of people give up illegal drugs and then continue to drink alcohol in moderation, while I have seen others give up one drug only to become addicted to another (including alcohol). And many of the people I know who have been "clean" for years still abuse caffeine and/or nicotine, while some are able to use those drugs in moderation or not at all. People are all different. I don't think we are in disagreement as I pretty much agree with what you have seen. Not everyone who uses then abuses. Not everyone who abuses becomes addicted. Mood altering chemicals are cunning, baffling and mysterious. If the use of them coincides with a problem in personal well-being, interpersonal relationships, employment or, social environment there is a high probability that the substance is a major factor of the problem.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
