ZerObama Restarts Guantanamo Trials

[tkhayes 348]

yep, and I think this broken promise will probably hurt Obama more than anything.

Either try these guys, set them free, take them out back and shoot them, whatever decision is decided, I think America would be glad for 'closure'. Holding people indefinitely without trial goes against a lot of what all Americans believe in.

And it opens the door for that to happen to any of us.

[rushmc 23]

It was political rhetoric made to appease a far left group made by not knowing about that which he spoke. Made so as to get elected.

Now it is just sad?

Screw that!

The lack of vitriolic bull shit by those who hated Bush and voted for this President is loud and clear

Point?

Lack of principal

By him and those who support him.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

A bunch of people who liklely voted for Obama post here that they are mad that Obama broke his promise, but since it doesn't rise to the level of vitriolic hatred it doesn't count?

It is obvious you won't accept any evidence that is contrary to your tightly held wolrdview. In your mind, everyone who voted for Obama worships him as the Savior of Man, is a bleeding heart liberal who wants America to become a communist nation, and secretly hopes the terrorists win. You, like many conservative posters I can think of, have become a caricature.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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A bunch of people who liklely voted for Obama post here that they are mad that Obama broke his promise, but since it doesn't rise to the level of vitriolic hatred it doesn't count?

It is obvious you won't accept any evidence that is contrary to your tightly held wolrdview. In your mind, everyone who voted for Obama worships him as the Savior of Man, is a bleeding heart liberal who wants America to become a communist nation, and secretly hopes the terrorists win. You, like many conservative posters I can think of, have become a caricature.

See!

There is the vitriol I speak of

But being two faced in the light of topics is an open book that is easily read

Obama opened his mouth to appease those like you

He spoke not knowing shit about the topic and those like you swallowed it like good little followers

So yes, it does not count!

Opened his mouth and got his foot buried into it clear up to his bung hole


As for the rest of the stupid comments in your post

Nice try

will not bite

But at least in those comments you used as descriptors of your man are those I know you think fit

That is why the two faces and lack of principal on the topic.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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A bunch of people who liklely voted for Obama post here that they are mad that Obama broke his promise, but since it doesn't rise to the level of vitriolic hatred it doesn't count?

It is obvious you won't accept any evidence that is contrary to your tightly held wolrdview. In your mind, everyone who voted for Obama worships him as the Savior of Man, is a bleeding heart liberal who wants America to become a communist nation, and secretly hopes the terrorists win. You, like many conservative posters I can think of, have become a caricature.

Oh

and anybody who coud think about the topic (instead of just feel about it) kwew he had little chance if any of keeping that topic

That fact was stated many times before he took office

It was a hollow promise

One that could never be met

I think he may have known that from the start

But saying so would not get him votes


Would it.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Channman 2]

And finally we get to the truth.

1) political rhetoric made to appease the far left

2) Made so as to get elected

3) Lack of principal. I mayself would use the term "Lacking Core Values".

"Truthful lips endure forever, but a lying tongue lasts only a moment."

[DanG 1]

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vitriol

Since that's clearly the biggest word you know, you would be wise to look up the definition.

The rest of your rant is exactly my point. You are so out of touch with reality it is hilarious. BTW, stop trtying to sound all Yoda. "But being two faced in the light of topics is an open book that is easily read," doesn't even make sense. Just fucking say what you mean, stop trying to make your thoughts sounds grander than they are. They are petty and simple and don't deserve your weak attempts at flowery discourse.

There, that's a little closer to the vitriol that you so dearly want.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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vitriol

Since that's clearly the biggest word you know, you would be wise to look up the definition.

The rest of your rant is exactly my point. You are so out of touch with reality it is hilarious. BTW, stop trtying to sound all Yoda. "But being two faced in the light of topics is an open book that is easily read," doesn't even make sense. Just fucking say what you mean, stop trying to make your thoughts sounds grander than they are. They are petty and simple and don't deserve your weak attempts at flowery discourse.

There, that's a little closer to the vitriol that you so dearly want.

Hey!

Maybe we could have another civilian trial?

That went well don’t you think?

Or you could go after my typing again since you got nothing to counter the points

How about that?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

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A bunch of people who liklely voted for Obama post here that they are mad that Obama broke his promise, but since it doesn't rise to the level of vitriolic hatred it doesn't count?

It is obvious you won't accept any evidence that is contrary to your tightly held wolrdview. In your mind, everyone who voted for Obama worships him as the Savior of Man, is a bleeding heart liberal who wants America to become a communist nation, and secretly hopes the terrorists win. You, like many conservative posters I can think of, have become a caricature.

If you knew he was lying about closing Guantanamo during the campaign, would you still have voted for him?

I'm not saying he was lying, I believe he really had every intention of doing what he said. I just think he had and still has a very naive view of the world and is suddenly beginning to face the harsh realities.

The outreached hand does not always result in the unclenched fist. This is an example of what many of us expressed concerns about when we said he did not have the experience to be President. I will give him that he is starting to grow into the job and accept that all that ideology he learned in Academia doesn't always transfer into the real world.

[rushmc 23]

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A bunch of people who liklely voted for Obama post here that they are mad that Obama broke his promise, but since it doesn't rise to the level of vitriolic hatred it doesn't count?

It is obvious you won't accept any evidence that is contrary to your tightly held wolrdview. In your mind, everyone who voted for Obama worships him as the Savior of Man, is a bleeding heart liberal who wants America to become a communist nation, and secretly hopes the terrorists win. You, like many conservative posters I can think of, have become a caricature.

If you knew he was lying about closing Guantanamo during the campaign, would you still have voted for him?

I'm not saying he was lying, I believe he really had every intention of doing what he said. I just think he had and still has a very naive view of the world and is suddenly beginning to face the harsh realities.

The outreached hand does not always result in the unclenched fist. This is an example of what many of us expressed concerns about when we said he did not have the experience to be President. I will give him that he is starting to grow into the job and accept that all that ideology he learned in Academia doesn't always transfer into the real world.

You give him more credit than I

You may be right, he might have thought he could close it

Even so, he also would have learned very early in his term that it would be damned near impossible to do it

So why did he keep up the front?

I think he hople if he kept the illusion up long enough people would forget.

But my post was more to the supporters

Bush was villified over gitmo

It was there long before him and it will be there long after Obama


If it such a bad idea then Obama should get the same hatred tossed at him

It is not

The reasons are clear

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

That's just the sad nature of politics today, Both sides pretty much say whatever will get them elected. I seem to recall many Republicans promising to cut $100 billion from the budget. Until the people who voted for a specific politician start holding their feet to the fire, they will continue to lie. An opposing party pointing out the hypocracy holds no sway.

[DanG 1]

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Maybe we could have another civilian trial?

That went well don’t you think?

What trial are you talking about? You know there have been literally dozens of civilian trials on US soil for terrorism suspects. Many carried out during the Bush administration.

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Or you could go after my typing again since you got nothing to counter the points

My reply didn't mention typing once. And I have countered your point. Your point was that liberals aren't mad at Obama for failing to close Gitmo. At least three people have posted in this thread directly to the contrary, and I pointed that out. Then you changed your point to be that liberals don't hate him enough for you. I pointed out that there is not enough hate in the world to satisfy you. Every weak, unsupported point you've made, I have countered directly.

- Dan G

[DanG 1]

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If you knew he was lying about closing Guantanamo during the campaign, would you still have voted for him?

Probably, but that is only because my only other realistic option was McCain/Palin. I didn't vote for Obama solely because of his promise to close Gitmo, but it was one reason.

I believe he truly planned to close Gitmo, and even took steps in that direction. He allowed himself to be sidetracked by other issues, and that disappointed me. If I were President, I would have ordered the prisoners moved to Levenworth or another military facility on day one. They are being held as enemy combatants (which is bullshit, but that's the current legal reality) so the CinC should have full authority over their dsposition. If we're going to maintain the fiction that we are at war, then Congress needs to butt the hell out of internal DoD affairs. If we recognize that we are not in a declared state of war, then we can't hold people without trial. Either way, the CinC/President should have the authority to move those men wherever he wants and Congress shouldn't have a say. That's my opinion, and it disappoints me that Obama didn't man up and make it happen. Sorry to rushmc, but one disappointment doesn't create vitriolic hatred in me. I'm more rational that some other folks.

- Dan G

[Gravitymaster 0]

But you do agree that the only way to hold politicians accountable is for those who voted for them to criticize them? I think it does no good when the criticism comes from the opposing party. Why should they care about those voters and what they think? That seems to be the tone these days, doesn't it?

[DanG 1]

Sure. I also think that Obama has been getting lots of criticism from those who voted for him. He's gotten criticism over Gitmo from civil rights advocates, he's gotten criticism from gays over Don't Ask, Don't Tell, he's gotten criticism from healthcare folks over caving in on some HC overhaul provisions. If people think he's not hearing it from the left, it's only because they want to think that.

- Dan G

[rehmwa 2]

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Your point was that liberals aren't mad at Obama for failing to close Gitmo. At least three people have posted in this thread directly to the contrary, and I pointed that out. Then you changed your point to be that liberals don't hate him enough for you. I pointed out that there is not enough hate in the world to satisfy you. Every weak, unsupported point you've made, I have countered directly.

that's pretty consistent with flipped attitudes about Bush and overspending

seems y'all are pretty much the same people (reasonable in reality but totally unwilling to give the 'other guys' the benefit of the same)

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[DanG 1]

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that's pretty consistent with flipped attitudes about Bush and overspending

Huh? I don't follow you. What is the word "that" referring to?

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seems y'all are pretty much the same people (reasonable in reality but totally unwilling to give the 'other guys' the benefit of the same)

Seems y'all (as in you, remwa) aren't following what I'm saying.

- Dan G

[Amazon 7]

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A bunch of people who liklely voted for Obama post here that they are mad that Obama broke his promise, but since it doesn't rise to the level of vitriolic hatred it doesn't count?

It is obvious you won't accept any evidence that is contrary to your tightly held wolrdview. In your mind, everyone who voted for Obama worships him as the Savior of Man, is a bleeding heart liberal who wants America to become a communist nation, and secretly hopes the terrorists win. You, like many conservative posters I can think of, have become a caricature.

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No. More likely, after being called out on doing the same things they accuse others of doing (not playing the ball) they will ignore this thread hoping that everyone forgets their glaring inconsistency. Or at best will respond to a post like this one that allows them to ignore the original topic.
Just my guess-unlike a lot of folks; I know I'm not a mind reader

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[airdvr 210]

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If you knew he was lying about closing Guantanamo during the campaign, would you still have voted for him?

Probably, but that is only because my only other realistic option was McCain/Palin. I didn't vote for Obama solely because of his promise to close Gitmo, but it was one reason.

I believe he truly planned to close Gitmo, and even took steps in that direction. He allowed himself to be sidetracked by other issues, and that disappointed me. If I were President, I would have ordered the prisoners moved to Levenworth or another military facility on day one. They are being held as enemy combatants (which is bullshit, but that's the current legal reality) so the CinC should have full authority over their dsposition. If we're going to maintain the fiction that we are at war, then Congress needs to butt the hell out of internal DoD affairs. If we recognize that we are not in a declared state of war, then we can't hold people without trial. Either way, the CinC/President should have the authority to move those men wherever he wants and Congress shouldn't have a say. That's my opinion, and it disappoints me that Obama didn't man up and make it happen. Sorry to rushmc, but one disappointment doesn't create vitriolic hatred in me. I'm more rational that some other folks.

I'm pretty sure Barry was sincere in his wish to close Club Gitmo but, like many here he found that he was so ill-informed on the subject that he was forced to retract.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[turtlespeed 221]

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If you knew he was lying about closing Guantanamo during the campaign, would you still have voted for him?

Probably, but that is only because my only other realistic option was McCain/Palin. I didn't vote for Obama solely because of his promise to close Gitmo, but it was one reason.

I believe he truly planned to close Gitmo, and even took steps in that direction. He allowed himself to be sidetracked by other issues, and that disappointed me. If I were President, I would have ordered the prisoners moved to Levenworth or another military facility on day one. They are being held as enemy combatants (which is bullshit, but that's the current legal reality) so the CinC should have full authority over their dsposition. If we're going to maintain the fiction that we are at war, then Congress needs to butt the hell out of internal DoD affairs. If we recognize that we are not in a declared state of war, then we can't hold people without trial. Either way, the CinC/President should have the authority to move those men wherever he wants and Congress shouldn't have a say. That's my opinion, and it disappoints me that Obama didn't man up and make it happen. Sorry to rushmc, but one disappointment doesn't create vitriolic hatred in me. I'm more rational that some other folks.

I'm pretty sure Barry was sincere in his wish to close Club Gitmo but, like many here he found that he was so ill-informed on the subject that he was forced to retract.

As is most of the Democrat adgenda. Seems like it sounds good until you mix reality into the mix.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[shropshire 0]

Does anyone still seriously/naively think that the President is running the country ?

There are way more powerful people and groups that just one man.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[futuredivot 0]

If you start talking about nano thermite I'm calling walmart to warn them about you

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[shropshire 0]

Fek orf

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Does anyone still seriously/naively think that the President is running the country ?

There are way more powerful people and groups that just one man.

Who are they?