kallend 2,027 #1 March 14, 2011 www.newsweek.com/2011/03/13/2-405-shot-dead-since-tucson.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 March 14, 2011 And to think that YOU are personally in favor of private gun ownership. How could you be such a barbarian? How can you sleep at night knowing that your views are enabling such mass murder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #3 March 14, 2011 Just curious, since the Tuscon shootings, how many people have died due to heart disease? How many people have died due to terminal illnesses such as cancer? How many people have died due to drug overdoses? How many people have died due to alcohol abuse? How many people have died due to traffic accidents? etc, etc, etc. I know I never want to be shot. There is nothing good that can come from being shot. There is always the chance that I will become a victim of a random crime spree. But for me I can reduce the odds of myself being shot simply by not associating with people who rely on crime to make their money. If I avoid the criminal element, my odds of being shot are greatly reduced. Instead of focusing on the inanimate object, shouldn't we be focusing on why some people choose a life of crime to make their money? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #4 March 14, 2011 Quote Instead of focusing on the inanimate object, shouldn't we be focusing on why some people choose a life of crime to make their money? Like Wall St bankers?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #5 March 14, 2011 In reading the first page of the lefty article, it would appear that college is also a common denominator. Thankfully there are states with pending legislation to change that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 March 14, 2011 Quotewww.newsweek.com/2011/03/13/2-405-shot-dead-since-tucson.html Ok Answer us this The rules you would like to see in place (what ever the hell they are) would have saved how many of these people, in your opinion? Just a rough guess"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #7 March 14, 2011 Was it legal for anyone other than on-duty law enforcement to carry firearms or other weapons on Va Tech campus when Cho started shooting people? QuoteThe Virginia Tech Review Panel, a state-appointed body assigned to review the incident, criticized Virginia Tech administrators for failing to take action that might have reduced the number of casualties. The panel's report also reviewed gun laws and pointed out gaps in mental health care as well as privacy laws that left Cho's deteriorating condition in college untreated.[1] [1]"Report of the Virginia Tech Review Panel". Commonwealth of Virginia. So the gun alws were on the books. They needed a tweak, and we tweaked. The failings here were mental health, school administrators, and possibly local authorities. Those are the areas we need to be addressing. And by the way, we're still waiting for you to link to the posts where you've clearly stated your position on firearms. Can you?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #8 March 14, 2011 Quote[ So the gun alws were on the books. They needed a tweak, and we tweaked. The failings here were mental health, school administrators, and possibly local authorities. Those are the areas we need to be addressing. The mental health system in Virginia received wholesale changes in the wake of the Cho report. Many of those changes had to do with mandatory outpatient treatment and how it is implemented and tracked."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #9 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuotewww.newsweek.com/2011/03/13/2-405-shot-dead-since-tucson.html Ok Answer us this The rules you would like to see in place (what ever the hell they are) would have saved how many of these people, in your opinion? Just a rough guess I should like rigorous enforcement of existing laws that forbid felons and nutcases from buying guns. That means a background check on ALL purchases - no exceptions. Wouldn't affect you, would it? It's not like I haven't written exactly the same thing a dozen times before.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 March 15, 2011 Define nutcase.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotewww.newsweek.com/2011/03/13/2-405-shot-dead-since-tucson.html Ok Answer us this The rules you would like to see in place (what ever the hell they are) would have saved how many of these people, in your opinion? Just a rough guess I should like rigorous enforcement of existing laws that forbid felons and nutcases from buying guns. That means a background check on ALL purchases - no exceptions. Wouldn't affect you, would it? It's not like I haven't written exactly the same thing a dozen times before. So, since that is an EXPANSION of existing law, that makes all your claims of 'supporting existing law', lies. At least it's finally out in the open.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotewww.newsweek.com/2011/03/13/2-405-shot-dead-since-tucson.html Ok Answer us this The rules you would like to see in place (what ever the hell they are) would have saved how many of these people, in your opinion? Just a rough guess I should like rigorous enforcement of existing laws that forbid felons and nutcases from buying guns. That means a background check on ALL purchases - no exceptions. Wouldn't affect you, would it? It's not like I haven't written exactly the same thing a dozen times before. Ok. good start Now, how many of those you list as killed were murdered under the following situations. First, how many were killed using gun purchased with no back ground check (ie private purchase)? Second, how many were killed (of the number you list) by people who got thier guns by a means other than a legal purchase? (in other words, those who are banned already but found a loop hole to get a gun)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewww.newsweek.com/2011/03/13/2-405-shot-dead-since-tucson.html Ok Answer us this The rules you would like to see in place (what ever the hell they are) would have saved how many of these people, in your opinion? Just a rough guess I should like rigorous enforcement of existing laws that forbid felons and nutcases from buying guns. That means a background check on ALL purchases - no exceptions. Wouldn't affect you, would it? It's not like I haven't written exactly the same thing a dozen times before. So, since that is an EXPANSION of existing law, that makes all your claims of 'supporting existing law', lies. At least it's finally out in the open. I got to thinking wondering how would a law enforcing all gun tranactions (including private exchanges) have even a small chance of being enforced. There is only one way I can think of All guns would need to be registred Again, that would be ALL guns Suppose this is by acident the professor comes up with this?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #14 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewww.newsweek.com/2011/03/13/2-405-shot-dead-since-tucson.html Ok Answer us this The rules you would like to see in place (what ever the hell they are) would have saved how many of these people, in your opinion? Just a rough guess I should like rigorous enforcement of existing laws that forbid felons and nutcases from buying guns. That means a background check on ALL purchases - no exceptions. Wouldn't affect you, would it? It's not like I haven't written exactly the same thing a dozen times before. So, since that is an EXPANSION of existing law, that makes all your claims of 'supporting existing law', lies. At least it's finally out in the open. Having a hard time telling the difference between expansion and enforcement?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #15 March 15, 2011 Why do you want it to be easy for felons and loonies to buy guns? What are you hiding from us?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 March 15, 2011 QuoteHaving a hard time telling the difference between expansion and enforcement? Not at all - you still have issues with understanding applicability, however.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 March 15, 2011 QuoteWhy do you want it to be easy for felons and loonies to buy guns? What are you hiding from us? Nice PA. How about you show some numbers to prove your claims.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 March 15, 2011 QuoteWhy do you want it to be easy for felons and loonies to buy guns? What are you hiding from us? Nice redirect (as well as being a bunch of bs) Now answer my questions"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #19 March 15, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote www.newsweek.com/2011/03/13/2-405-shot-dead-since-tucson.html Ok Answer us this The rules you would like to see in place (what ever the hell they are) would have saved how many of these people, in your opinion? Just a rough guess I should like rigorous enforcement of existing laws that forbid felons and nutcases from buying guns. That means a background check on ALL purchases - no exceptions. Wouldn't affect you, would it? It's not like I haven't written exactly the same thing a dozen times before. So, since that is an EXPANSION of existing law, that makes all your claims of 'supporting existing law', lies. At least it's finally out in the open. Having a hard time telling the difference between expansion and enforcement? Oooops, John. Existing: Only certain types of purchases require background checks. Expansion: ALL purchases, no exceptions. There's the expansion of existing laws, right? Or am I totally off-the-wall. Ummmm...maybe I don't want to know the answer to that. It would be nice if existing laws were enforced but that, so far, has been proven tough to do.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #20 March 15, 2011 QuoteHow about you show some numbers to prove your claims. I'm confused. Can you point out what claims John has made here? All I've seen so far is what he would like to see done. -Enforce existing laws. -Include ALL purchases in background checks.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteHow about you show some numbers to prove your claims. I'm confused. Can you point out what claims John has made here? All I've seen so far is what he would like to see done. -Enforce existing laws. -Include ALL purchases in background checks. I think he is basing his post on my questions to johnny boy Ones I am sure he will not answer"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #22 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteHow about you show some numbers to prove your claims. I'm confused. Can you point out what claims John has made here? All I've seen so far is what he would like to see done. -Enforce existing laws. -Include ALL purchases in background checks. He keeps claiming how easy it is for loonies to get guns - I want him to provide some numbers to prove it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #23 March 15, 2011 Without changing HIPAA laws, there will always be a few newsworthy borderline "loonies" that will find a way to purchase guns. Without expansion of current laws and required processes do you honestly see this changing? We will have to surrender more rights and privacy to change this. Enforce current laws. Enforce currently required processes. Forget about stupid theoretical "less people would die if he had 2 fewer bullets" rules. The "pre-ban" magazines (not CLIPS!) are and will be available anyway...and it's pure speculation that someone would be tackled before reloading. If they're off the edge enough to want to kill multiple people, they'll find ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 March 15, 2011 I've made those points before...the perfesser still can't grasp it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
