DaVinci 0 #151 March 30, 2011 Quote Still believing the words of convicted felons, most of whom plead "Not Guilty"? Still convicting people that have not even been charged? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #152 March 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteWrong... I have had the training... from a VERY early age, I have the permit to carry and have proved my proficiency. Why do YOU expect others to not follow suit???? Haven't been really reading have you? Post #110 OF THIS VERY THREAD: 2. Training should be up to the person. I have no issue with States requiring training to get a CHL... In fact, you are ignoring that most States require training to get a CHL. So you failed right there. QuoteFace it.. I think you and your fellow travellers are unwilling to even abide by current laws and wish them GONE. Fail again. QuoteThat is why it certainly seems you and the other 1 issue warriors ie. the 2nd Amendment are failing to change with the times As soon as you start preaching that the 1st only applies to religions that were in existence in 1791 As soon as you start preaching that the internet is not protected by free speech, only printing presses. As soon as you start preaching that the 4th does not apply to cars and only horse and buggies.... It seems only YOU are not willing to change with the times with regard to the 2nd. Quote or even comply with the wishes of the Founding Fathers and what their intent was. Fail again... the Founding Fathers didn't want required training... YOU DO. I have already shown that the Founding Fathers wanted anyone capable to have a gun... and you have not even shown anything but your opinion to counter that. I have already shown that the SC agrees with MY interpretation.... Not yours. Who is not complying with the wishes of the Founding Fathers again? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.... So why do you and your fellow travellers go off on a bleating rampage ANYTIME anything comes up about your holy and sacred guns??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #153 March 30, 2011 QuoteRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.... Yes, the facts are right there... you make claims that are not supported in fact. QuoteSo why do you and your fellow travellers go off on a bleating rampage ANYTIME anything comes up about your holy and sacred guns??? Care to ask again... this time without the childish BS? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #154 March 30, 2011 Quote Quote RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.... Yes, the facts are right there... you make claims that are not supported in fact. Quote So why do you and your fellow travellers go off on a bleating rampage ANYTIME anything comes up about your holy and sacred guns??? Care to ask again... this time without the childish BS? How many innane gun threads do we have here on DIZZIE DOT COM again???? The usual suspects do a hell of a lot of bleating about their sacred guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #155 March 30, 2011 Quote How many innane gun threads do we have here on DIZZIE DOT COM again???? The usual suspects do a hell of a lot of bleating about their sacred guns. You mean Kallend, Quade, you? Who start their fair share of gun threads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #156 March 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteA good first step is require a background check on ALL sales. Would you be OK with every airplane sale going through a dealer? Every airplane sale has to be registered with the Federal Govt, which then reports the sale to the state. Yet another LOSER analogy of yours. Quote QuotePeriodic examination by a medical doctor is required to exercise the privileges of a pilot's license. You seem to have picked a LOSER on that analogy. Ah, but not to OWN a plane... You failed, not me. Feeble attempt to change the subject. Your original post (conveniently snipped by you) related to pilots, not owners. In post #98, this thread, you, DaVinci, wrote: "What EXACTLY would you want to require as a screening? And would YOU be willing to go through the EXACT same process to get and keep your pilots license?" Try a little intellectual honesty for a change.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #157 March 30, 2011 QuoteHow many innane gun threads do we have here on DIZZIE DOT COM again???? Many, and on each one you spout opinion not based in fact, make childish slams, and are proven to not know what you are talking about. QuoteThe usual suspects do a hell of a lot of bleating about their sacred guns. And yet you are also bleating.... the difference is your opinions are not supported in any fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #158 March 30, 2011 QuoteEvery airplane sale has to be registered with the Federal Govt, which then reports the sale to the state. Yet another LOSER analogy of yours. Nope. You only need to register certain types of planes... But only if you USE them. FAIL on you. Also, wanna tell the class if this plane needs to be registered? http://www.affordaplane.com/ FAIL on you again. QuoteFeeble attempt to change the subject. No, just once again showing you have no idea of what you are talking about. QuoteYour original post (conveniently snipped by you) related to pilots, not owners. Not my fault you cannot understand English.... Quote Try a little intellectual honesty for a change. As soon as you start. Still waiting on you to answer why you think Emanual won in Chicago.... But you do not have the intestinal fortitude to answer anything honestly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #159 March 30, 2011 Quote Quote How many innane gun threads do we have here on DIZZIE DOT COM again???? The usual suspects do a hell of a lot of bleating about their sacred guns. You mean Kallend, Quade, you? Who start their fair share of gun threads. Because Every gun is sacred. Every gun is great. If a gun is wasted, God gets quite irate. CHILDREN: Every gun is sacred. Every gun is great. If a gun is wasted, God gets quite irate. GIRL: Let the heathen drop theirs On the dusty ground. God shall make them pay for Each gun that can't be found. CHILDREN: Every gun is wanted. Every gun is good. Every gun is needed In your neighbourhood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #160 March 30, 2011 Ah, we have no gotten you to the point that you are not even able to bring a point that we do not prove to be incorrect and you wrong. This is the point that you normally result to insults and childish BS We are right on track. To recap * YOU are ignoring the Founding Fathers intent in the 2nd. * You are fine with YOU having a gun for self defense... But only YOU. * You cannot discuss the topics, so you have started the insults. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #161 March 30, 2011 QuoteAh, we have no gotten you to the point that you are not even able to bring a point that we do not prove to be incorrect and you wrong. This is the point that you normally result to insults and childish BS We are right on track. To recap * YOU are ignoring the Founding Fathers intent in the 2nd. * You are fine with YOU having a gun for self defense... But only YOU. * You cannot discuss the topics, so you have started the insults. RIIIIGHT... I was being VERY careful not to insult you.. personally.. but it seems it is impossible for you NOT to take everything personally on this SACRED issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #162 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteTotally pointless since background checks can be avoided with trivial ease, thanks to lobbying by the NRA and others of their ilk. A good first step is require a background check on ALL sales. Still charging on the heels of that 1% while ignoring the rest? Still believing the words of convicted felons, most of whom plead "Not Guilty"? Funny how you're so eager to believe those same felons if they say they bought at a gun show - oh, wait... I forgot. Your telepathy machine let's you know if they're telling the truth THEN, doesn't it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #163 March 31, 2011 Quote***Periodic examination by a medical doctor is required to exercise the privileges of a pilot's license. FLYING a plane is not the same as OWNING a plane. A PHYSICAL is not the same as the PSYCH EVAL you advocate for ownership. QuoteYou seem to have picked a LOSER on that analogy. Why, yes...yes you have. QuoteTry a little intellectual honesty for a change Yes...please do.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #164 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuote***Periodic examination by a medical doctor is required to exercise the privileges of a pilot's license. FLYING a plane is not the same as OWNING a plane. A PHYSICAL is not the same as the PSYCH EVAL you advocate for ownership. QuoteYou seem to have picked a LOSER on that analogy. Why, yes...yes you have. QuoteTry a little intellectual honesty for a change Yes...please do. Another one who CONVENIENTLY snips the original question when it becomes apparent that it's a lOSER. "What EXACTLY would you want to require as a screening? And would YOU be willing to go through the EXACT same process to get and keep your pilots license?" And we're talking about real planes here, not toys, just like we're talking about real guns, not BB guns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #165 March 31, 2011 QuoteAnother one who CONVENIENTLY snips the original question when it becomes apparent that it's a lOSER. And it changes NOTHING in my response to YOUR reply. Try rebutting what *I* wrote instead of transparent attempts to tie my response to someone else's post, John. I'll say again...*do* try to focus this time, old chap. Piloting a plane <> owning a plane. Flight physical <> psych eval. Analogy FAIL.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #166 March 31, 2011 QuoteRIIIIGHT... I was being VERY careful not to insult you.. personally. REALLY???????? WOW this was NOT TRYING????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #167 March 31, 2011 QuoteAnd we're talking about real planes here, not toys This is not a real plane? http://affordaplane.com/ nor this one? http://www.quicksilveraircraft.com/sport.htm Quote Another one who CONVENIENTLY snips the original question when it becomes apparent that it's a lOSER. As is the person who CONVENIENTLY avoids the real question to avoid looking silly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #168 March 31, 2011 Your condescending tone does not speak well of your respect for the rights of others. I also notice you didn't bother to answer my very first question. So what do you think about requiring registration of all firearms? I'd like an answer to that one. Do you think the high firearms death rate in the USA compared to other western industrialized nations is acceptable? I am uncomfortable with the high homicide rate. I think it is ridiculous to be concerned about the item used. Otherwise I would ask you if the high motor vehicle death rate is acceptable. Do you think there's absolutely nothing that can be done about it? I'm open to suggestions. Do your think anyone should be able to buy a gun without a background check, even if it means felons can do so easily? Do you have any suggestions on how to enforce that? Do you plan to register every firearm? If not, then there is no way to make this happen. Do you think restrictions on the right of felons and the mentally unstable to own guns are reasonable? If so, how would you go about enforcing them? Yes. But you really need to get past this obsession with focussing on the firearms. I am still waiting for you to define "loony" "nutter" and now "mentally unstable." When you do that, we can have a conversation about their rights. If you mean someone who has been adjudicated insane, or who has been committed, then their rights are restricted in accordance with the law. If you mean anyone with a whacked out youtube video, or anyone that makes you uncomfortable, then I am not ok with curtailing their rights to make you feel better. I believe in due process. I don't believe in removing someone's rights without it. I can keep going with the if/then statements, but until you define your terms, I can't really discuss them with you.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #169 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo what do you think about requiring registration of all firearms? was not answered You have anything to say? QuoteQuoteWhat do you think about storage requirements of private firearms kept on private property? Up to the owner, but owner should also have strict liability for any accident or misuse. More liabilty than when some other items is stolen or involved in an accident? Why? QuoteQuoteWhat do you think about limiting magazine capacity? No opinion Good, we can agree that there is no reason to artificially limit magazine capacity. QuoteQuoteWhat do you think about private ownership of handguns? Fine We're in agreement there. QuoteQuoteWhat do you think about private ownership of military styled semi-auto rifles? Anyone juvenile enough to play soldiers is welcome to do so. I don't see anything juvenile about wanting to use a proven design of rifle that has a significant aftermarket potential. I just wanted to know if you were on board with the silly anti-gun idea that "assault weapons" are bad and should be banned. I'm glad you are not. QuoteQuoteWhat do you think about private ownership of select-fire or full-auto firearms? OK, but should be licensed. We can argue the merits of that some other time, but since that is already the case, it's good to know that you are not for the idea of expanding restrictive gun laws. QuoteQuoteWhat do you think about concealed carry? Should it be banned, licensed, or unlicensed? Fine but should have mandatory training and a background check. I think that's how Texas does it. So you are against the states that allow unlicensed concealed carry (there are a few out there), but you also oppose laws in Wisconsin and Illinois that prohibit concealed carry. Good to know. Are you also against states where concealed carry is legal but permits are never greanted (such as NJ, NY, CA, and others)? QuoteQuoteWhat do you think about open carry of firearms? Should it be banned, licensed, or unlicensed? If you want to appear like a macho boy, that's fine with me. I don't carry openly unless I am working a job where it is required (law enforcement, militrary, other security, etc). I also don't appreciate your suggestion that I would be compensating for something if I did carry openly. But I am comforted that you support open carry. QuoteI have answered most of these previously. Now it's your turn. And I answered yours. I didn't even make you ask five times.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #170 March 31, 2011 Quote And I answered yours. I didn't even make you ask five times. If you had bothered to do a search you wouldn't have needed to ask at all, since I believe I have at one time or another answered all of them previously, including the one about registration... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #171 April 1, 2011 Quote Quote And I answered yours. I didn't even make you ask five times. If you had bothered to do a search you wouldn't have needed to ask at all, since I believe I have at one time or another answered all of them previously, including the one about registration if only the search function had a filter for orwellian doublespeak... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #172 April 1, 2011 QuoteSo what do you think about requiring registration of all firearms? No answer QuoteWhat do you think about storage requirements of private firearms kept on private property? Up to the owner, but owner should also have strict liability for any accident or misuse. 1. Citizens are already liable for any accident 2. Misuse is already illegal QuoteWhat do you think about limiting magazine capacity? No opinion Thank you for your answer QuoteWhat do you think about private ownership of handguns? Fine Thank you for your answer QuoteWhat do you think about private ownership of military styled semi-auto rifles? Anyone juvenile enough to play soldiers is welcome to do so. Why is it 'juvenile' to want a weapon that works well? Is it 'juvenile' to play with toy airplanes and rockets? QuoteWhat do you think about private ownership of select-fire or full-auto firearms? OK, but should be licensed. They are already required to be registered (and have since 1934). Ever shot a FA weapon? In truth, in the hands of most people they are not as effective as movies and TV make you think. QuoteWhat do you think about concealed carry? Should it be banned, licensed, or unlicensed? Fine but should have mandatory training and a background check. I think that's how Texas does it. You do know that MOST States require mandatory training right? TX does have a good program, however. QuoteWhat do you think about open carry of firearms? Should it be banned, licensed, or unlicensed? If you want to appear like a macho boy, that's fine with me. You cannot see a tactical reason for open carry? You cannot see the benefit of open carry in Arizona in 43C (110f) weather? Now to play fair, I will answer you questions. QuoteDo you think the high firearms death rate in the USA compared to other western industrialized nations is acceptable? When I take into account that a good number are from suicides (I don't count suicides in skydiving deaths either) and LEO's... the number of murders is <13k... I think it is important to use that number and not include police shootings and suicides. In the U.S. for 2006, there were 30,896 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 16,883; Homicide 12,791; Accident 642; Legal Intervention 360; Undetermined 220. And it should be noted that most of the 13k murders are criminal on criminal. Do I think that 13K is too high? It is higher than other comparable countries... But you will find that our violent crime rate is normally higher as well. 1. It is not the fault of the gun. 2. Places like Mexico and DC show that even with strict gun laws they still have violent crime. So is 13K too high? Yes, but it is not the fault of guns nor gun laws. It is much deeper than that and to just try and blame guns is short sighted. QuoteDo you think there's absolutely nothing that can be done about it? I think there is plenty that can be done about it. 1. Education: The higher the education, the lower the rate of violent crime. 2. Poverty: If people are not living destitute they are less likely to turn to drugs and engage in criminal activity. QuoteDo your think anyone should be able to buy a gun without a background check, even if it means felons can do so easily? Yes. Criminals do not follow laws. DC has gun crime, Chicago has gun crime, Mexico has gun crime (to include grenades and Full Auto weapons), all have strict gun laws. Drugs are easily available and are illegal. Making something illegal or difficult to get will not stop a criminal. QuoteDo you think restrictions on the right of felons and the mentally unstable to own guns are reasonable? If so, how would you go about enforcing them? Yes, most of the GCA of 1968 made sense. How do you enforce it? 1. Stronger penalties for criminals. 2. Remove reporting errors like the one that let Cho buy weapons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #173 April 1, 2011 Quote Yes, most of the GCA of 1968 made sense. How do you enforce it? 1. Stronger penalties for criminals. 2. Remove reporting errors like the one that let Cho buy weapons That can never work.... or so the usual suspects here try to beat me over the head for saying the EXACT SAME THING But since you are part of the crowd that blathers on and on about rights without responsibilities they will gland hand you to death.God forbid someone might not be able to own a gun even if they are a comnplete and utter whack job.... but not adjudicated as such. And then we get into the usual suspects who do not feel that identifying them as part of a training regimen...or taking into account school administrators or psychologists opinions and getting the whack-a-doodle-doo on the fast track to the NO BUY list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #174 April 1, 2011 Quote God forbid someone might not be able to own a gun even if they are a comnplete and utter whack job.... but not adjudicated as such. the word you're looking for here is "prior restraint." I hope you can now back pedal the way you did with poll taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #175 April 1, 2011 Quote Quote God forbid someone might not be able to own a gun even if they are a comnplete and utter whack job.... but not adjudicated as such. the word you're looking for here is "prior restraint." I hope you can now back pedal the way you did with poll taxes. DUUUUDE Do not ascribe POLL taxes to me.. you and your ilk are the ones that were always quite happy with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
