WI Dep't Of Corrections & State Employees bilk the taxpayers per Collective Bargaining

[skygypsie 2]

It's no wonder the State employees of Wisconsin are seeking recall of the Govenor, and protesting the Budget Bill recently passed !

This article was sent to me by my DZO, today.

It gives detailed situations of how, & through entitlement, State Employees are able to bilk the taxpayers per their Collective Bargaining Agreements

Most residence of the state I know, totally support the need to set boundries & eliminate collective bargaining for State Workers & SUPPORT the need for the Budget Bill !

The article concerning " Milwaukee teachers try to get Viagra covered under their state health benefits " is particularly disconcerning

[TimBSky 0]

Sounds to me like the politicians that agreed to these deals, both at the state and local level didn't perform their duties during the bargaining process.

[Lefty 0]

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Sounds to me like the politicians that agreed to these deals, both at the state and local level didn't perform their duties during the bargaining process.

Indeed. That's precisely the problem with public-sector unions: It's in the politicians best interests to give them what they want.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[marks2065 0]

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It's no wonder the State employees of Wisconsin are seeking recall of the Govenor, and protesting the Budget Bill recently passed !

This article was sent to me by my DZO, today.

It gives detailed situations of how, & through entitlement, State Employees are able to bilk the taxpayers per their Collective Bargaining Agreements

Most residence of the state I know, totally support the need to set boundries & eliminate collective bargaining for State Workers & SUPPORT the need for the Budget Bill !

The article concerning " Milwaukee teachers try to get Viagra covered under their state health benefits " is particularly disconcerning

these are the bullshit things that unions do and the primary reason they need to be eliminated. Unions have caused alot of the over spending that we see today in all the gov's payrolls.

[skygypsie 2]

My bet those politicians are some of those same Democratic Senators that abandoned their positions

They, not the Govenor...should be the focus of efforts to be recalled

[rushmc 23]

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Sounds to me like the politicians that agreed to these deals, both at the state and local level didn't perform their duties during the bargaining process.

The Democrates agreed to the deals. In turn the dues collected (which is state tax dollars paid by the people) are then sent to the Democratic Party to help them get re-elected

Pretty neat money laundering dont you think?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[marks2065 0]

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Sounds to me like the politicians that agreed to these deals, both at the state and local level didn't perform their duties during the bargaining process.

The Democrates agreed to the deals. In turn the dues collected (which is state tax dollars paid by the people) are then sent to the Democratic Party to help them get re-elected

Pretty neat money laundering dont you think?

lok at this, no amazon, kallend, or their friends posting, must be true and embarasing to the left.

[futuredivot 0]

They're waiting for a typo or misspell they can jump all over while ignoring the issue.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[TimBSky 0]

You're saying that the money a teacher, etc... earns is somehow not really their money at all and therefore the dues they pay to the unions is actually taxpayer money, not their own money. By that logic, our house is not actually our house at all but actually belongs to the taxpayers since they pay the taxes that allow my wife to get paid for the work that she does which goes into our house payment.

I'd actually like to see big money out of politics altogether and that goes for corporations newly empowered under the Citizens United ruling as well as unions but that's a subject for a new thread.

[rushmc 23]

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You're saying that the money a teacher, etc... earns is somehow not really their money at all and therefore the dues they pay to the unions is actually taxpayer money, not their own money. By that logic, our house is not actually our house at all but actually belongs to the taxpayers since they pay the taxes that allow my wife to get paid for the work that she does which goes into our house payment.

Nope
Not saying that at all

They are paid with taxpayer money however. They negotiate their wages with elected politicos

Also
WI is NOT a right to work state. If you work in a union shop, you must become a union member and you must pay union dues. No exceptions

Now, WI is a very liberal state and until the last elections cycle the Dems have been in control for many years. They give the public sector unions sweet contracts

In exchange, the union leadership takes large sums of money from those dues and gives 95% of their (the union) political donation dollars to the Dems

So the Dems get the tax dollars they spend back for their political campaigns. Union dues are a percentage of the wage

This has now caught up with them

Even FDR knew this could not work

Now WI knows it too

Nice little set up huh…

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

In case you doubt me

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/117078618.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[skygypsie 2]

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Sounds to me like the politicians that agreed to these deals, both at the state and local level didn't perform their duties during the bargaining process.

The Democrates agreed to the deals. In turn the dues collected (which is state tax dollars paid by the people) are then sent to the Democratic Party to help them get re-elected
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Pretty neat money laundering dont you think?
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...& then those same Democratic Senators accessed campign funds to pay for their

[Amazon 7]

Dude... you need a tissue.. you got sumpin on your face

[Zep 0]

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Dude... you need a tissue.. you got sumpin on your face

BAWAAA; BWAAA; BAWAA, You made me laugh so hard I mis spelt.

Gone fishing

[TimBSky 0]

So, special interests (public employee unions in this case) contribute to candidates (Democrats in this case) that will vote in the special interests' best interest. Therefore, public employee unions must go. Maybe we should apply this logic to all special interests including corporations. Or better yet, figure out a way to get all special interest money out of politics, not just the money that benefits Democrats.

[marks2065 0]

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So, special interests (public employee unions in this case) contribute to candidates (Democrats in this case) that will vote in the special interests' best interest. Therefore, public employee unions must go. Maybe we should apply this logic to all special interests including corporations. Or better yet, figure out a way to get all special interest money out of politics, not just the money that benefits Democrats.

I agree, but what is the real conflict here is gov employees being forced to give money to unions so they can support dem candidates so they can get unreasonable pay and benifits.

[mnealtx 0]

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So, special interests (public employee unions in this case) contribute to candidates (Democrats in this case) that will vote in the special interests' best interest. Therefore, public employee unions must go. Maybe we should apply this logic to all special interests including corporations. Or better yet, figure out a way to get all special interest money out of politics, not just the money that benefits Democrats.

The top 10 all time donors (Federal), 1989-2010:

1 ActBlue
$51,124,846
Dem: 99%
Rep: 0%

2 AT&T Inc
$46,292,670
Dem:44%
Rep: 55%

3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees
$43,477,361
Dem: 98%
Rep: 1%

4 National Assn of Realtors
$38,721,441
Dem: 49%
Rep: 50%

5 Goldman Sachs
$33,387,252
Dem: 61%
Rep: 37%

6 American Assn for Justice
$33,143,279
Dem: 90%
Rep: 8%

7 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
$33,056,216
Dem: 97%
Rep: 2%

8 National Education Assn
$32,024,610
Dem: 93%
Rep: 6%

9 Laborers Union
$30,292,050
Dem: 92%
Rep: 7%

10 Teamsters Union
$29,319,982
Dem: 93%
Rep: 6%

How many corporations you see in there vs. unions, Chief?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[TimBSky 0]

I agree with much of what you said but they don't all get unreasonable pay and benefits. Unfortunately, some are able to "game" the system and there are examples of unresaonable pay and benefits that reflects on all public employees. For the most part, teachers need at least 5 years of education and their average pay should be about the same as the average in the private sector with similar education (not the private sector as a whole like most people quote). As far as pensions are concerned, I don't think the states (taxpayers) should be liable for shortfalls in pension funds but my wife pays 8% of her salary into her fund and I don't think all of the money she's paid into it over the years should just disappear.

There are also examples of conflict in the private sector such as utility and energy companies where we are effectively forced to pay money to them that they contribute to candidates that pass legislation benefitting them. A libertarian may say you can always go somewhere else or do without, but energy effects everything we use and buy including food. The financial sector is another example but I think I'd just be inviting argument and hijacking the thread. Again, I'd like to see all special interest money out of politics since it corrupts the system.

[futuredivot 0]

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Dude... you need a tissue.. you got sumpin on your face

At least you're consistent in your irrelevance

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[rushmc 23]

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So, special interests (public employee unions in this case) contribute to candidates (Democrats in this case) that will vote in the special interests' best interest. Therefore, public employee unions must go. Maybe we should apply this logic to all special interests including corporations. Or better yet, figure out a way to get all special interest money out of politics, not just the money that benefits Democrats.

Just look up FDR's comments on why pulic sector unions are a bad idea

As for they compensation plans not being over the top?

Sorry, that is NOT true
They are getting much better plans than any non-public sectors comperable to what they are doing

They are out of control

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[TimBSky 0]

Nice data, but if you're going to compare union contributions to corporate contributions, I think you need to include all union and all corporate contributions not just the subset of the top ten. But, even if it were to show the same thing, I think money corrupts the system regardless of whether it goes to Democrats or Republicans or whether it comes from unions or corporations. Plus, things are likely to look quite different in 2012 with the Citizens United ruling. I'm against eliminating the influence of labor, especially in the public sector, while leaving the influence of corporations in place. I'd like to see the influence of both eliminated.

[billvon 2,998]

>Most residence of the state I know, totally support the need to set
>boundries & eliminate collective bargaining for State Workers . . .

State workers should be able to join any labor organization they like.

State officials should be able to make any deal with them they like. They should also be able to fire some or all of them if they like.

[airdvr 210]

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>Most residence of the state I know, totally support the need to set
>boundries & eliminate collective bargaining for State Workers . . .

State workers should be able to join any labor organization they like.

State officials should be able to make any deal with them they like. They should also be able to fire some or all of them if they like.

I think that was your logic I heard crashing into itself. As long as you have collective bargaining in the mix you'll never have all 3.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[rushmc 23]

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Nice data, but if you're going to compare union contributions to corporate contributions, I think you need to include all union and all corporate contributions not just the subset of the top ten. But, even if it were to show the same thing, I think money corrupts the system regardless of whether it goes to Democrats or Republicans or whether it comes from unions or corporations. Plus, things are likely to look quite different in 2012 with the Citizens United ruling. I'm against eliminating the influence of labor, especially in the public sector, while leaving the influence of corporations in place. I'd like to see the influence of both eliminated.

What do you not understand about the "top 10"?

This is the list as compiled at the Fed level by the Fed

It has been linked on this site before

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>Most residence of the state I know, totally support the need to set
>boundries & eliminate collective bargaining for State Workers . . .

State workers should be able to join any labor organization they like.Not according to FDR

State officials should be able to make any deal with them they like. They should also be able to fire some or all of them if they like.

Not according to FDR

Here
I agree with him

It is not possible to do this ethically

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln